[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146718]you're saying the ODSTs weren't super badass teams of hardened killers
except that's the reason they existed.
fuck i mean Spartans are basically ODST's with chemical injections and big armor.[/QUOTE]
This has got to be the worst generalization and comparison of ODSTs and Spartans I've ever heard.
what are you talking about, up until the ending it was a fucking action movie based around a squad that was lost in a city trying to find eachother with a fuckload of flashbacks in between
did you think high command was gonna call down to one odst and be like "ok you need to singlehandedly take down all the covenant forces in a 12 mile radius and then report back for debreifing"
hell if they DID call down, the ODST's would probably ignore it anyways. Loyalty to your squad.
also you were the one who called me a prick first :v:
[QUOTE=Delta616;37146793]They were shown to have military organization like the marines, ODST gave a small team of ODST's led by a gunnery sergeant a demolitions expert and a sniper.
Dr. Halsey didn't know about the SPARTAN IIIs until Halo Ghosts of Onyx, but she clearly knew about NOBLE In ONI Sword Base and The Package. Cortana was in orbit in The Pillar of Autumn when the battle of Reach started. The Pillar was in orbit when the battle of Reach was ending. The Long Knight of Solace could have been shot down by super MAC's. Master Chief was not in cyro on the Pillar. To name a few.
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That is not how military organization works at all. It was also said that all ODST's have demolitions training.
[QUOTE=G3rman;37146801]This has got to be the worst generalization and comparison of ODSTs and Spartans I've ever heard.[/QUOTE]
In essence that's exactly what they are though, all technicalities aside. If you were to look at it on a basic scale, it'd be Marines - ODST - Spartan.
they're just better versions of eachother
fuck what do I do
Assassins Creed III and Halo 4 come out in too close a proximity to each other
argahgha
I don't want to have to choose
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146802]what are you talking about, up until the ending it was a fucking action movie based around a squad that was lost in a city trying to find eachother with a fuckload of flashbacks in between[/QUOTE]
Yes, the three other ODST's that some how make up an entire squad and do not listen to high command.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146802]did you think high command was gonna call down to one odst and be like "ok you need to singlehandedly take down all the covenant forces in a 12 mile radius and then report back for debreifing"[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146802]hell if they DID call down, the ODST's would probably ignore it anyways. Loyalty to your squad.[/QUOTE]
Seeing as ODST's are meant to be fiercely loyal to high command, no.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146802]also you were the one who called me a prick first :v:[/QUOTE]
Because you were acting like a prick.
You're talking about how there was no organization in a game that starts you off crash landed in a pod in the middle of fucking new mombasa after the covvie ship made the jump, where covenant are running mad and the city is literally fucking collapsing.
no one would care about high command at that point, you find your squad and you get your asses to safety, and you do the paperwork later. if you seriously want to compare the ODST to marines and then say they're not super loyal to their squad mates, there's an issue.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146807]In essence that's exactly what they are though, all technicalities aside. If you were to look at it on a basic scale, it'd be Marines - ODST - Spartan.
they're just better versions of eachother[/QUOTE]
Except if you care about lore, you don't just generalize and disregard the technicalities and factors when it comes to stuff like this.
If you took away the armor and augmentation, Spartans would not be just another ODST. Their unique training and just general upbringing would set them majorly apart from any other unit.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146846]You're talking about how there was no organization in a game that starts you off crash landed in a pod in the middle of fucking new mombasa after the covvie ship made the jump, where covenant are running mad and the city is literally fucking collapsing.[/QUOTE]
Did you even play the game? There was no organization before the battle.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146846]no one would care about high command at that point, you find your squad and you get your asses to safety, and you do the paperwork later. if you seriously want to compare the ODST to marines and then say they're not super loyal to their squad mates, there's an issue.[/QUOTE]
If high command messaged down and told you to do something you would listen because you are a fucking soldier and that is your job.
Their upbringing was abducted at a young age and put through some seriously fucked up shit.
without the augmentations they wouldn't be able to fight at all, half the augs were to make sure they didn't go insane
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[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37146868]Did you even play the game? There was no organization before the battle.
If high command messaged down and told you to do something you would listen because you are a fucking soldier and that is your job.[/QUOTE]
what the fuck do you mean before the battle, the game literally starts you off in the drop pod
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The fact that you believe that they'd value some higher ups whining over their battle brothers shows you don't know how that kind of situation works.
[QUOTE=Delta616;37146793]The SoF was a ship full of experiment technology (Read the back story about it.) It is listed as a destroyer beucause it is. mjolnir shielding was also experimental during that time frame, it was rare, but existed on the field. So what if the arbitaers armor was destoryed, they can't make a new set?[/QUOTE]
The arbiters armor was passed down to every arbiter in history, Mjolnir shielding was experimental but almost all Spartans have it and ones on a ship full of experimental technology would have it. Two MAC's were not experimental tech and the ship was still not a destroyer.
[QUOTE=Delta616;37146793] That is a very stupid reason if you are going to use that to say they broke canon.[/QUOTE]
Not really.
[QUOTE=Delta616;37146793]The novels don't follow the exact same canon of the game, simple as that, it's been stated of several occasions. Cortana was indeed in orbit in the PoA, the Cortana we had to escort out of reach was a small fragment of her program. So what of The Long Knight of Solace could have been shot down by a super MAC? Then we wouldn't have had that awesome space mission! That wasn't master chief, that was Linda. [/QUOTE]
No, the novels were canon but then the games broke them. The Long Knight of Solace not just being shot down was a break of canon, even if it was a fun mission.
[QUOTE=Delta616;37146793]If you say "To name a few" and most of those are examples are crap, you are only making yourself look even more ignorant to the Halo Universe and canon.[/QUOTE]
They aren't crap though, you have debunked maybe two of them which is just because I have not played a Halo game in a while, the rest of your reasons are crap.
[video=youtube;CKWjoP7DdaI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKWjoP7DdaI[/video]
the game starts with you landed split from your squad.
i dont get why you expect any sort of organization when the shit in that video just happened
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146870]Their upbringing was abducted at a young age and put through some seriously fucked up shit.
without the augmentations they wouldn't be able to fight at all, half the augs were to make sure they didn't go insane
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what the fuck do you mean before the battle, the game literally starts you off in the drop pod
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The fact that you believe that they'd value some higher ups whining over their battle brothers shows you don't know how that kind of situation works.[/QUOTE]
The game literally begins in a war room.
I never said that, I said they would listen to the higher ups. Do you even read posts before you whine about them?
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37145859]Like I said, Master Chief is presumed dead and there are no other spartans left.
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you're aware that the year Chief was announced MIA was the year Spartan-IVs were first being deployed, right?
unless you're just tossing the word spartan around
I might buy this game.
MIGHT.
Though I hope they don't do anything silly.
Silly as in add dubstep to a teaser.
the game starts in a situation not too different from a standard military situation.
the rookie is the only one not briefed, so he's the only one who needs to be worried about what's being said. Everyone else wasn't told to listen so they just were waiting until it was ready to drop.
like why do you imagine the military is "SUPR STRICT 24/7 STAND AT ATTENSION!!!!"
because you know, soldiers are people too.
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[QUOTE=Character;37146903]you're aware that the year Chief was announced MIA was the year Spartan-IVs were first being deployed, right?
unless you're just tossing the word spartan around[/QUOTE]
he's tossing the term around
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146870]Their upbringing was abducted at a young age and put through some seriously fucked up shit.
without the augmentations they wouldn't be able to fight at all, half the augs were to make sure they didn't go insane[/QUOTE]
Wut?
The Augmentations were to make them more than just the regular soldier, speed up their growth in time for engaging the current rebel threat, and to ensure their bodies could handle the future MJOLNIR armor.
Carbide Ceramic Ossification Advanced material grafting onto skeletal structures to make bones virtually unbreakable. Recommended coverage not to exceed 3% total bone mass because of significant white blood cell necrosis. Specific risk for pre-and near-postpubescent adolescents: skeletal growth spurts may cause irreparable bone pulverization.
Muscular Enhancement Injections Protein complex is injected intramuscularly to increase tissue density and decrease lactase recovery time. Five percent (5%) of test subjects experience a fatal cardiac volume increase.
Catalytic Thyroid Implant Platinum pellet containing human growth hormone catalyst is implanted in the thyroid to boost growth of skeletal and muscle tissues. Rare instances of Elephantiasis. Suppressed sexual drive.
Occipital Capillary Reversal Submergence and boosted blood vessel flow beneath the rods and cones of the subject's retina. Produces a marked visual perception increase. Retinal rejection and detatchment. Permanent blindness.
Superconducting Fibrification of Neural Dendrites Alteration of bioeletrical nerve transduction to shielded electronic transduction. 300% increase in subject reflexes. Anecdotal evidence of marked increase in intelligence, memory, and creativity. Significant instances of Parkinson's Disease and Fletcher's Syndrome.
And considering they were so young, I'm meaning the military training as far as the word 'upbringing'.
You may be thinking of the Spartan-III's since their augmentations were different and were much more damaging to their brains than Spartan-II's had the chance of with all the chems pumped into them.
Oh yeah I'm talking about SIII's. They needed powerful medications and augs to keep them sane because of the chems and the brutal training.
IIRC the SIII's were trained at a faster rate than II's, so it'd make sense they'd need a lot more therapy and shit
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BTW which book covered the SII's upbringing and shit, I know GoO covered SIII's
It's really, truly heartwarming to see how much Facepunch's attitude regarding Halo has changed over the years.
Four years ago, mentioning Halo invited a flamewar. Now, this entire thread is debating lore.
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[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146944]Oh yeah I'm talking about SIII's. They needed powerful medications and augs to keep them sane because of the chems and the brutal training.
IIRC the SIII's were trained at a faster rate than II's, so it'd make sense they'd need a lot more therapy and shit
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BTW which book covered the SII's upbringing and shit, I know GoO covered SIII's[/QUOTE]
The Fall of Reach. Very good read. Not Ghosts of Onyx good, or Forerunner trilogy epic (I use epic in the sense of scale), but still very rich and relevant to the series as a whole.
Same thing is happening to Call of Duty at the moment too, everyone is like "meh whatever it's CoD it's fun"
i wonder what's the next series to carry the torch
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[QUOTE=Arachnidus;37146964]It's really, truly heartwarming to see how much Facepunch's attitude regarding Halo has changed over the years.
Four years ago, mentioning Halo invited a flamewar. Now, this entire thread is debating lore.
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The Fall of Reach. Very good read. Not Ghosts of Onyx good, or Forerunner trilogy epic (I use epic in the sense of scale), but still very rich and relevant to the series as a whole.[/QUOTE]
fucking a i've read FoR but that book was just so silly to me, I mean I could re-read the training part but that's about it. I've forgotten so much from that just it wasn't memorable.
GoO on the other hand? I read that shit like once every few months. I want to read the rest of the books in the arc.
[QUOTE=Arachnidus;37146964]It's really, truly heartwarming to see how much Facepunch's attitude regarding Halo has changed over the years.
Four years ago, mentioning Halo invited a flamewar. Now, this entire thread is debating lore.
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The Fall of Reach. Very good read. Not Ghosts of Onyx good, or Forerunner trilogy epic (I use epic in the sense of scale), but still very rich and relevant to the series as a whole.[/QUOTE]
Halo has always been a good series
it tends to get shit on because a lot of people just tend to instantly assume "Oh, kids like it, it must be shit"
I mean, when I was a kid, my favorite moves were Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Back to the Future, Jurassic Park, etc. Were those bad movies? Fuck no.
It's really stupid to dismiss Halo like that. The games have incredibly fleshed out lore to them, and the gameplay has always been really fun.
I have loved every single Halo game I've ever bought, with the exception of 3. 3 never did much for me :/
The multiplayer's always been more fun than CoD for me, since it's had a more fastpaced style, and we 're all on the same level.
In CoD, 40 other people will all be max level and have uber tier guns, while I'm stuck with a shitty M4 or something.
In Halo, we all spawn with an AR and scramble like a madman to get the big guns.
I could write an essay about why I like Halo over cod, but none of you care :v:
My bet...actually, to be honest, I can't really say. As much as we all like to complain about hyper popular, "dumbed down" shooters, there aren't many, anymore.
Yes, gaming as a whole has run into some speedbumps lately, but I think that spectacle shooters (read: the major releases of a few years ago, ie Halo 2/Modern Warfare/Half Life 2) are going to start coming around again.
Halo's new trilogy is back on the 2-3 year dev cycle, near as we can tell, and Call of Duty may actually be improving. Battlefield is likely to hold to the 3 year cycle. Medal of Honor isn't remotely popular enough to justify putting it on the list.
Warfighter looks pretty fucking rad though so keep an eye on it
I feel the only CoD games worth slagging are MW2 and MW3.
Modern Warfare (the original) was actually a pretty damn good game, with some genuinely shocking moments
it's just that MW2 and MW3 started cashwhoring it up with crazy overpriced DLC, and meaningless sequels
[QUOTE=Sardonus;37146991]Halo has always been a good series
it tends to get shit on because a lot of people just tend to instantly assume "Oh, kids like it, it must be shit"
I mean, when I was a kid, my favorite moves were Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Back to the Future, Jurassic Park, etc. Were those bad movies? Fuck no.
It's really stupid to dismiss Halo like that. The games have incredibly fleshed out lore to them, and the gameplay has always been really fun.
I have loved every single Halo game I've ever bought, with the exception of 3. 3 never did much for me :/
The multiplayer's always been more fun than CoD for me, since it's had a more fastpaced style, and we 're all on the same level.
In CoD, 40 other people will all be max level and have uber tier guns, while I'm stuck with a shitty M4 or something.
In Halo, we all spawn with an AR and scramble like a madman to get the big guns.
I could write an essay about why I like Halo over cod, but none of you care :v:[/QUOTE]
I loved 3, Reach turned me off unfortunately. I think Halo 4 is just what I need as I've always preferred following John's story.
please come out for PC please come out for PC please come out for PC please come out for PC
[QUOTE=G3rman;37147007]I loved 3, Reach turned me off unfortunately. I think Halo 4 is just what I need as I've always preferred following John's story.[/QUOTE]
personally I just found 3 went for too many epic setpieces and in the end what it did for me was 9 very long pain in the ass levels, instead of like, the 15 or so I'd gotten accompanied to in the first 2.
Also, 3 had the least cool areas for me, I think. Too much deserty shit.
[QUOTE=Sardonus;37147005]I feel the only CoD games worth slagging are MW2 and MW3.
Modern Warfare (the original) was actually a pretty damn good game, with some genuinely shocking moments
it's just that MW2 and MW3 started cashwhoring it up with crazy overpriced DLC, and meaningless sequels[/QUOTE]
Even MW2 was kind of fun, and it brought a couple new things to the table. the only game that deserves 100% unbridled hate is MW3 for being an exact copy and paste
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Halo 1 had the best areas IMHO. Silent Cartographer and the Maw (PoA) are the two that ring most true to me
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;37147009]please come out for PC please come out for PC please come out for PC please come out for PC[/QUOTE]
See, posts like this are why I can't fathom why Microsoft refuses to allow Halo to return to the PC.
The Xbox, as a platform, doesn't need Halo anymore. The 360 is now what the PS2 was last cycle. Durango seems likely to follow in its footsteps. The real key to using Halo to make money, is to release it on the PC as well. Maybe do a little magic for Halo 5, so PC and Durango players can play together at certain points (playlist settings, custom games, campaign, etc). Microsoft needs a brand to survive, it thrives off of massive ecosystems. They want Xbox to expand beyond the box. The best way to do that, is to take the cultural milestone it facilitated and apply it to something [B]everyone[/B]​ has.
well remember that little tidbit of info found at the bottom of the Halo 4 page
"system requirements forthcoming"
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