Put it this way. After reading Atlas Shrugged for a class, I re-read Starship Troopers and I felt like I was reading Shakespeare quality writing.
[QUOTE=Fausty;46227573]It broke and only posts that atlas shrugged comic. So it only posts when there is a discussion on ayn rand or atlas shrugged.[/QUOTE]
I find that funnier than just posting XKCD comics
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;46224497]The guy who started LaVeyan Satanism admitted to taking ideas from Ayn Rand
Ayn Rand is literally so evil that she can actually be compared to Satan[/QUOTE]
nothin' too evil about laveyan satanism... just all about enjoying yourself as much as possible
[QUOTE=Jojje;46229332]nothin' too evil about laveyan satanism... just all about enjoying yourself as much as possible[/QUOTE]
It's literally just objectivism, and objectivism is pretty shitty.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;46229509]It's literally just objectivism, and objectivism is pretty shitty.[/QUOTE]
take some, leave some, as most have said. i dig the stuff about pursuing your own happiness and individual rights. i care mostly about myself and those closest to me but, doesn't necessarily mean i disregard others outside that sphere.
suppose that's why i prefer to call myself a satanist and not strictly an objectivist as satanism is pretty malleable and places a lot upon yourself and what you make of it
[QUOTE=Jojje;46229538]take some, leave some, as most have said. i dig the stuff about pursuing your own happiness and individual rights. i care mostly about myself and those closest to me but, doesn't necessarily mean i disregard others outside that sphere.
suppose that's why i prefer to call myself a satanist and not strictly an objectivist as satanism is pretty malleable and places a lot upon yourself and what you make of it[/QUOTE]
check out the [URL="http://thesatanictemple.com/about-us/35-2/"]satanic temple[/URL], similar to church of satan except without as many asshole tenants
Why is she still a thing? Because the world will always have 14-year-olds that are both mad at their parents/teachers, and utterly convinced of their own competence. Ayn Rand's "philosophy" caters specifically to the ignorant and selfish. She remains a thing because some of those 14-year-olds never manage to properly grow up...therefore becoming libertarians.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46306927]check out the [URL="http://thesatanictemple.com/about-us/35-2/"]satanic temple[/URL], similar to church of satan except without as many asshole tenants[/QUOTE]
Why is this week old thread still a thing?
Oh you bumped it.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46307491]Why is she still a thing? Because the world will always have 14-year-olds that are both mad at their parents/teachers, and utterly convinced of their own competence. Ayn Rand's "philosophy" caters specifically to the ignorant and selfish. She remains a thing because some of those 14-year-olds never manage to properly grow up...therefore becoming libertarians.[/QUOTE]
Thankfully we have such paragons of maturity as yourself to lead us down the right path.
Ayn Rand really seems to scare the shit out of people for some reason. Attacks and jokes about her person and followers everywhere. Never any arguments.
What is this [I]really[/I] about?
For some reason I always thought Ayn Rand was a guy. I dunno why.
[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;46309799]Ayn Rand really seems to scare the shit out of people for some reason. Attacks and jokes about her person and followers everywhere. Never any arguments.
What is this [I]really[/I] about?[/QUOTE]
What? Besides the fact that objectivism is a batshit insane, outdated ideology championed by a pair of poorly written, long, dry, several hundred page long wanks to the free market and the right to be a complete cockwit.
Saying that people only use Objectivism as a license to be an asshole is such a narrow minded view to take. It isn't about being an asshole to people, it's simply that you have no obligation to them and they have no obligation to you, if you want to be nice to people you do it because you want to be nice, not because you feel as if you have to be.
[QUOTE=The mouse;46310043]Saying that people only use Objectivism as a license to be an asshole is such a narrow minded view to take. It isn't about being an asshole to people, it's simply that you have no obligation to them and they have no obligation to you, if you want to be nice to people you do it because you want to be nice, not because you feel as if you have to be.[/QUOTE]
It paints selfishness as a moral act, and altruism as immoral. Need i say more? Also, it criticises niceness as moral weakness too.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;46310118]It paints selfishness as a moral act, and altruism as immoral. Need i say more? Also, it criticises niceness as moral weakness too.[/QUOTE]
I'd argue that it seeks to do away with morality entirely because morality is inherently a subjective way to view the world which people use to justify their own agendas. It doesn't paint altruism as immoral, it paints it as unnatural because the number 1 instinct of anyone is to survive and that people will then primarily always act in their own self-interest.
[QUOTE=The mouse;46310148]I'd argue that it seeks to do away with morality entirely because morality is inherently a subjective way to view the world which people use to justify their own agendas. It doesn't paint altruism as immoral, it paints it as unnatural because the number 1 instinct of anyone is to survive and that people will then primarily always act in their own self-interest.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and a society surviving on that notion would function amazingly, right? Selfishness is short sighted and ultimately damaging to everyone.
[editline]23rd October 2014[/editline]
Bioshock was pretty much an 8 hour argument against Objectivism, for christ sakes.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;46310153]Yeah, and a society surviving on that notion would function amazingly, right? Selfishness is short sighted and ultimately damaging to everyone.[/QUOTE]
Society already does function like this. People already do mostly act based on self-interest, however that doesn't mean that they don't act unselfishly because it is in their self-interest to not be selfish.
Wait fuck, i'm pretty sure i'm misunderstanding what you're saying right now. I'm a little intoxicated and quite tired so i'm going to prematurely back out of the debate. However, i'm against all philosophy focused on any form of selfishness, as i'm a humanist to some point.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;46310194]Wait fuck, i'm pretty sure i'm misunderstanding what you're saying right now. I'm a little intoxicated and quite tired so i'm going to prematurely back out of the debate. However, i'm against all philosophy focused on any form of selfishness, as i'm a humanist to some point.[/QUOTE]
I'll just clarify by saying that in my opinion Objectivism isn't a theory about how people should act, it's theory about how people already do act and that I'm not particularly happy with it either although to me it does make a lot of sense in explaining the way that the world is.
I have a hard time explaining the fact that people are willing go to Liberia to treat ebola, work 60 hour work weeks as junior doctors, and spend years teaching in impoverished countries in the name of self-interest. A mother sacrificing herself for a her child, the most extreme example i can think of, is a good example of the blind altruism. I believe in the inherent good of humanity, or maybe i'm just naive.
I thought that for my presentation, objectivism would possibly find a renewed success, whether assumed or not, thanks to the internet.
When you think about it, it's the perfect terrain: people on the internet are not as emotionally bound as they are in real life, but everyone gets to know a lot of other people. That kind of climate will result in some degree of selfishness, and the will to do things better than others, to be recognized, can lead to an objectivistic train of thought, whether you recognize it as such or not. The internet provides everyone with many opportunities to realize it.
Maybe I'm completely off my nuts, but some friend I've had on the internet for a long, serious and efficient community founder and admin, seems to take great interest in objectivism ever since I mentioned it to him. I know it's just a single person, but what if?
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