Call of Duty®: WWII Worldwide Reveal (Twitch Live) - General

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;52153771]Problem with making a German campaign is that people will no doubt see it as an attempt to glorify the Nazis, even if the character is just a young, conscripted lad. A lot of people today are still locked in the mindset that every single German was a hardcore Nazi with a boner for murder, which couldn't be farther from the truth.[/QUOTE] Hell, people are dumb enough today that they can't even realize that the Germans in World War [i]One[/i] weren't Nazis.

Great. Another bland WWII fantasy FPS where the Germans are 100% evil 100% of the time. Gotta love cut and dry WWII FPS. Can never get enough of those. [editline]26th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;52153771]Problem with making a German campaign is that people will no doubt see it as an attempt to glorify the Nazis, even if the character is just a young, conscripted lad. A lot of people today are still locked in the mindset that every single German was a hardcore Nazi with a boner for murder, which couldn't be farther from the truth.[/QUOTE] You cant break that misconception unless media like what you described exists.

I feel like the bigger problem with making a fps campaign where you play as germans is that they either have to make it so you're always losing, which just isn't fun in a shooter or only have you be in battles where the germans did win, in which case that ends up having you celebrating the bad guys winning.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52153869]Great. Another bland WWII fantasy FPS where the Germans are 100% evil 100% of the time. Gotta love cut and dry WWII FPS. Can never get enough of those. [/QUOTE] I think the guy getting pissed off at the other, to the point of punching him, for causing unnecessary casualties makes it better than simply being cut and dry. I doubt the Germans will be portrayed as sympathetic but I don't think they're going for "America hoorah! We won WWII all by ourselves!"

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52153869]Great. Another bland WWII fantasy FPS where the Germans are 100% evil 100% of the time. Gotta love cut and dry WWII FPS. Can never get enough of those.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]“The Allied force was a global force, the German force – the Axis force – was more than just the Nazis. It was Germans as well as other nations, and so it was important for us to not... this isn’t an American war, this isn’t a story of an American squad – this is a global cast and so you’ll see some really powerful performances on both sides of the war. You’ll see some powerful performances by the men and women who sacrificed, families that were involved."[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.gamesradar.com/call-of-duty-ww-2s-story-narrative-multiplayer-and-new-destiny-like-social-space-explained-by-the-creators/[/url]

Oh that is a good quote to have when someone brings up the Americans thing again. [editline]26th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=usaokay;52153918]I'll believe it when I see it. Not too sure why they didn't show it off in the reveal trailer.[/QUOTE] Marketing. What they showed probably sells better.

Idc what anyone says. I've wanted a badass dday scene since metal of honor frontline and I hope they deliver

French gaming journalists who saw unreleased footage also claim that at some point in the game [sp]you will be saved from death by a german soldier[/sp]. It's said here if you're curious : [url]http://www.jeuxvideo.com/preview/648271/call-of-duty-wwii-l-episode-qui-chamboule-les-cod.htm[/url]

This just made me want to go and play one of the old CoD games rather than buy this. Looks fairly boring when compared to the previous WW2 games. It's like activision forgot that CoD has done WW2 before, this isn't new, you need to go somewhere original with it not yet another European front game.

[QUOTE=Pingu1;52153987]They are already on a great fresh start. Looks like its finally time after 6 years to play COD again once this comes out.[/QUOTE] You can really tell how fed up people were with scifi cod. This has been a long time coming.

[QUOTE=aussiedropbear;52153291]I really hope you don't just play as America, would be p. disappointing considering you played as like 2 or 3 different nations since the original which made it more interesting/varied[/QUOTE] I am waiting for years to relive the adventures of my great-grandfather.

I still don't understand the appeal of this at all. We had a good eight years of grey WWII storm the beach sad trumpet music games. I can get that people are tired of future sci-fi, but seeing people on reddit say they wanted WWII again respond to this trailer with "I don't know what I expected" just confuses me.

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;52154064]I still don't understand the appeal of this at all. We had a good eight years of grey WWII storm the beach sad trumpet music games. [/QUOTE] Yeah, eight years, ten years ago.

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;52154064]I still don't understand the appeal of this at all. We had a good eight years of grey WWII storm the beach sad trumpet music games. I can get that people are tired of future sci-fi, but seeing people on reddit say they wanted WWII again respond to this trailer with "I don't know what I expected" just confuses me.[/QUOTE] Maybe they really didn't know what they expected. There are many who want to relive the old games with new graphics and modern mechanics/features. They're giving their fans what they want, for a change.

[QUOTE=Hauptmann;52153942]French gaming journalists who saw unreleased footage also claim that at some point in the game [sp]you will be saved from death by a german soldier[/sp]. It's said here if you're curious : [url]http://www.jeuxvideo.com/preview/648271/call-of-duty-wwii-l-episode-qui-chamboule-les-cod.htm[/url][/QUOTE] boy I can't wait for the uproar social media and game journos will have over this

[QUOTE=simkas;52154089]Yeah, eight years, ten years ago.[/QUOTE] If people want sci-fi again 10 years from now in an endless repeating cycle I'm going to lose it.

If they actually built a cohesive universe that was interesting then they might be able to deviate from history and standard scifi plots for a series of games. That would however require some Phillip K. Dick level writing.

[QUOTE=simkas;52153902]I feel like the bigger problem with making a fps campaign where you play as germans is that they either have to make it so you're always losing, which just isn't fun in a shooter or only have you be in battles where the germans did win, in which case that ends up having you celebrating the bad guys winning.[/QUOTE] I just want to re-emphasize this comment because it shares my exact sentiments toward why playing German focused FPS like CoD doesn't make sense. Especially if the story has to progress, you're just playing a game of inevitable failure every single time. How is that remotely fun? History says the Germans lost. I don't want to play a game where my character doesn't make any difference because then what's the point? To play a German machine gunner at DDay is some how ripe with dramatic potential how? I'm literally playing until I am told to lose. No matter how many Americans I kill I know I'm going to be forced to "give up". It's artificial. It's stupid. There is no desire to prove to the world that not all Germans were nazis and all that jazz. We get it. We're beyond that mentality and anyone who truly doesn't understand that is in the minority. Plenty of games and media influence shows the Germans in an entirely different light. The only way I could see it work would be a singular mission(s) at most. Something short term that won't get bogged down with what I just mentioned about losing all the time.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;52154093]Maybe they really didn't know what they expected. There are many who want to relive the old games with new graphics and modern mechanics/features. They're giving their fans what they want, for a change.[/QUOTE] I dunno, this just seems to lack something. Having it be in a single theater is a really bad move imo. Once of the strengths of WaW was the juxtaposition between the depressing grey eastern front and the the sunny tropical pacific theater. I found it really helped prevent one or the other from becoming too overbearing, giving you a break from each every two missions. I honestly don't think I'd enjoy just being stuck in Western Europe for an entire game.

You make the game about the people in the squad, it's not about winning the war, it'd be about surviving it. I agree that CoD is not gonna be the game to test that out on, but it's a game that could work even in FPS form. BUT, you could easily make a CoD game which covers both sides of a battle. So you get to experience the defeat, and then be part of the side that dealt it.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;52154152]I dunno, this just seems to lack something. Having it be in a single theater is a really bad move imo. Once of the strengths of WaW was the juxtaposition between the depressing grey eastern front and the the sunny tropical pacific theater. I found it really helped prevent one or the other from becoming too overbearing, giving you a break from each every two missions. I honestly don't think I'd enjoy just being stuck in Western Europe for an entire game.[/QUOTE] I loved the contrast in that too, WaW is still one of my favorite cod games. I mean we might just have to wait and see, if they are more intent on focusing on a crafted story line like they did with the modern/scifi games, it could really work. [QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;52154157]BUT, you could easily make a CoD game which covers both sides of a battle. So you get to experience the defeat, and then be part of the side that dealt it.[/QUOTE] This definitely resonates with me. I've always wondered why game makers think the only way to successfully do a battle is to make the player the winner. Even games like brothers in arms: hells highway, which was a game built on the premise of a failed invasion by the allies, they still somehow managed to spin the story to make it seem like you won. It was weird. In the late stage levels where in history you would have been running in the opposite direction of Axis, you are instead ploughing through droves of them.

[QUOTE=Pingu1;52153987]They are already on a great fresh start. Looks like its finally time after 6 years to play COD again once this comes out.[/QUOTE] Sledgehammer is going to Make CoD Great Again.

[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;52154157]You make the game about the people in the squad, it's not about winning the war, it'd be about surviving it. I agree that CoD is not gonna be the game to test that out on, but it's a game that could work even in FPS form.[/QUOTE] Honestly, Call of Duty needs to liven things up. We've already had a campaign that involves a personal friendship with Kevin Spacey before tossing him off a roof to his death, a campaign that has multiple endings depending on your choices and whether you did optional tactical missions, and a campaign that has a complete and utter mindfuck as you battle a rampant AI, dire wolves in a World War II dream, and robots and mechs. Hell, the series has gone to space and survived the jump without overreaching past the shark quite yet. But in terms of gameplay and overall structure, they all are familiar territory where it's not exactly staggeringly different no matter how crazy or unique an individual plot gets, especially with the idea that there's always at least one "buddy" in the plot to help guide the player and open doors for them. Even when you throw on jump jets, electric bee powers and space dogfighting, at its core it's still mostly the same pop-and-shoot, overly-scripted setpieces year after year, and while you may get invested in an overall story, you almost never get invested in these by-the-books characters.

[QUOTE=CertainDOOM;52153496]The fact the German tanks are painted grey tells me they have little interest in historical accuracy. (+ those stukas lmao)[/QUOTE] What about the Stukas? They were the 37mm armed autocannon ones meant for tank hunting but could probably easily turn infantry into a fine paste.

The graphics look nice and yeah WW2 game didn't look this good so far. But honestly I got tired of WW2 back when it was all the rage. Battlefield 1 picked a better skin because WW1 wasn't really done like that before. I used the word skin but I know it's a bit more than that but at same time these games aren't exactly historically accurate. There's a reason for that, the gameplay would suffer. The trailer really didn't win me over. It's just pretty graphics, random action scenes and some really cheesy acting and lines.

Why the actual fuck do you not play as a Nazi killing machine meant to simply exterminate all traces of Allied forces. But no we're just gonna be guy in green clothes #1027381901

[QUOTE=SuperDuprKyle;52154244]Why the actual fuck do you not play as a Nazi killing machine meant to simply exterminate all traces of Allied forces. [/QUOTE] You answered your own question.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52154252]You answered your own question.[/QUOTE] What do you mean?

WWII is nice, but I'd rather see something more recent, like the war in Syria or the Battle of Berkley.

Humble reminder to everyone saying that the we should get a German campaign because "not every german soldier was a Nazi" should read up on the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Wehrmacht]Clean Wehrmacht Myth[/url]. [quote]The myth of the Clean Wehrmacht (German: Saubere Wehrmacht), Clean Wehrmacht legend (Legende von der sauberen Wehrmacht), or Wehrmacht's "clean hands"[1][2] is the belief that the Wehrmacht was an apolitical organization along the lines of its predecessor, the Reichswehr, and was largely innocent of Nazi Germany's crimes, comporting themselves as honorably as the armed forces of the Western Allies. This narrative is proven false by the Wehrmacht's own documents: while the Wehrmacht treated British and American POWs in accordance with the laws of war (giving the myth plausibility in the West), they routinely enslaved, starved, shot, or otherwise abused and murdered Polish, Soviet, Yugoslavian, and other eastern prisoners. The Wehrmacht also participated in mass executions of Jews and others in the East.[/quote] That's is why they won't do a Call of Duty game where you play as a German Soldier during World War 2, even if not every single German was a card carrying Nazi, the regular German Army still did heinous shit on the regular.