[QUOTE=BusterBluth;40784648]I think most people find it hard to watch TAA talk about how wrong feminism is when it comes to rape when he has told a supposed rape victim to "go drown in rape semen".[/QUOTE]
That's completely irrelevant to the points being made in this video. Ad hominem is a fallacy for a reason.
I mean I'm not trying to throw around the phrase "Ad Hominem" to sound smart, but it's exactly what's happening here.
Facepunch likes to make itself out to be intelligent, and frankly, it is, so it pisses me off when tons of you simply ignore the rules of logic to circlejerk over your favorite topic.
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;40784670]That's completely irrelevant to the points being made in this video. Ad hominem is a fallacy for a reason.
I mean I'm not trying to throw around the phrase "Ad Hominem" to sound smart, but it's exactly what's happening here.
Facepunch likes to make itself out to be intelligent, and frankly, it is, so it pisses me off when tons of you simply ignore the rules of logic to circlejerk over your favorite topic.[/QUOTE]
I do enjoy me a good ol hate TAA circle jerk, as you can tell, but when someone is giving a lecture on a topic in which they have shown they are irrational, immature or hypocritical it deserves to be brought up.
I'm willing to bet if George Bush gave a lecture on how Obama's foreign policy is reckless he would be discredited because of his past. TAA deserves to be discredited.
jesus it's like I see the same fucking posters in these kinds of threads every damn time, and it all eventually either a)boils down to the thread getting locked or b)nobody's opinion changes because everybody here (or nearly) is as thick as a brick wall. then we wait for the next thread to happen, and thus the shit-spewed circle jerk continues once more.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;40784723]I do enjoy me a good ol hate TAA circle jerk, as you can tell, but when someone is giving a lecture on a topic in which they have shown they are irrational, immature or hypocritical it deserves to be brought up.
I'm willing to bet if George Bush gave a lecture on how Obama's foreign policy is reckless he would be discredited because of his past. TAA deserves to be discredited.[/QUOTE]
I disagree that one slip of the tongue should discredit every single one of his opinions. That reddit conversation that everyone keeps quoting was a single conversation. He got pissed off and said some things he shouldn't have, thinking he was witty. That's literally all that happened.
The difference between TJ and the bush comparison is that bush led an 8 year doctrine which ran this country into the ground, while TJ got angry one night and said stupid shit in the heat of the moment.
[QUOTE=Laferio;40784746]jesus it's like I see the same fucking posters in these kinds of threads every damn time, and it all eventually either a)boils down to the thread getting locked or b)nobody's opinion changes because everybody here (or nearly) is as thick as a brick wall. then we wait for the next thread to happen, and thus the shit-spewed circle jerk continues once more.[/QUOTE]
i think you're forgetting c) the meta poster that points out how bad all of the frequent feminist issue posters are
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;40784793]I disagree that one slip of the tongue should discredit every single one of his opinions. That reddit conversation that everyone keeps quoting was a single conversation. He got pissed off and said some things he shouldn't have, thinking he was witty. That's literally all that happened.
The difference between TJ and the bush comparison is that bush led an 8 year doctrine which ran this country into the ground, while TJ got angry and said stupid shit in the heat of the moment.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't a slip of the tongue. You don't get pissed off and say things like that unless you have other problems.
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;40784670]That's completely irrelevant to the points being made in this video. Ad hominem is a fallacy for a reason.
I mean I'm not trying to throw around the phrase "Ad Hominem" to sound smart, but it's exactly what's happening here.
Facepunch likes to make itself out to be intelligent, and frankly, it is, so it pisses me off when tons of you simply ignore the rules of logic to circlejerk over your favorite topic.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but personal incidents can discredit a person. The fact that he told a rape victim to go drown and rape semen and told them they deserved it completely discredits him when it comes to that topic.
[editline]26th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;40784619]The feminist point is that oversexualization leads to men treating women like shit, TJ's point is that it's not the root cause. We should be fighting the root cause of the problem, in this case being the patriarchy. Growing up with this background implied idea that men are better/stronger than women. Feminists are up in arms about how dressing (for the sake of this argument) 'slutty' is something that every woman should have the right to do without being judged. So why are they judging when it's on a magazine then?[/QUOTE]
Are you implying that the patriarchy is this singular body that can be fought rather than dismantled? The point is irrelevant because fighting the objectification of men and women in magazines is fighting the patriarchy. Also it's different for magazines because when magazines do it they're attempt to set a standard for beauty rather than when an individual person does it because of their own tastes. Some sex negative feminists would argue that showing a women naked is bad in general but you explicitly bring up feminists who argue that it's okay for a women to dress the way she wants which I agree with. I disagree with the fact that super models are being placed on the cover of magazines to set an unrealistic standard of beauty for women.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;40784820]It wasn't a slip of the tongue. You don't get pissed off and say things like that unless you have other problems.[/QUOTE]
I don't believe a single incident should completely discredit somebody but the AA has had multiple incidents. I really don't care about his fetishes or personal drama but he does do alot of stupid things.
Still, he makes good content.
[QUOTE=Winters;40784874]I'm sorry but personal incidents can discredit a person. The fact that he told a rape victim to go drown and rape semen and told them they deserved it completely discredits him when it comes to that topic.[/QUOTE]
nobody's arguing if it discredits TAA or not, but the points being made in the video
there's a separation between the individual and the claims being made, otherwise you fall into fallacy territory
[editline]26th May 2013[/editline]
also i don't get why everyone is getting so mad over some guy who makes youtube videos, you all are drawing your little lines in the sand and getting mad, it's ridiculous
[QUOTE=Banned?;40774280]No, Pew just makes terrible rape jokes.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't aware that his terrible rape "jokes" were the same as telling someone to get raped.
My mistake.
this video is really awful regardless of the points he makes
hes taking a dumb awareness post on facebook and holding it up as the "feminist bible" to be poorly nitpicked for no apparent cause other than make himself feel good
[QUOTE=Anonymuzz;40786799]this video is really awful regardless of the points he makes
hes taking a dumb awareness post on facebook and holding it up as the "feminist bible" to be poorly nitpicked for no apparent cause other than make himself feel good[/QUOTE]
hi im the amazing atheist *whips out penis* and today ill be talking about irrelevant bullshit that sounds smart but actually isnt and only serves to fill my humongous douche ego *strokes dick furiously*
[QUOTE=Anonymuzz;40786799]this video is really awful regardless of the points he makes
hes taking a dumb awareness post on facebook and holding it up as the "feminist bible" to be poorly nitpicked for no apparent cause other than make himself feel good[/QUOTE]
He never claimed that this was the "Feminist bible" that's what you are projecting onto this.
All he did was take this stupid list and showed how stupid it is.
do you want me to remove the quotation marks from my post i'll do it if they bother you
[QUOTE=Anonymuzz;40786848]do you want me to remove the quotation marks from my post i'll do it if they bother you[/QUOTE]
Do you want to reply to my post with a relevant counter-argument?
[QUOTE=Doodle313;40786868]Do you want to reply to my post with a relevant counter-argument?[/QUOTE]
he's using it as a collection of feminist ideal examples in order to attack what it represents
the same way one would use the bible as a collection of christian ideals if they wanted to attack christianity
[QUOTE=Anonymuzz;40786938]he's using it as a collection of feminist ideal examples in order to attack what it represents
the same way one would use the bible as a collection of christian ideals if they wanted to attack christianity[/QUOTE]
Again, he's not attacking feminism as a whole in this video, a list can't possibly represent all of complex feminist ideology.
He just took a list (stupid list) and humorously refuted the arguments.
What you make of this from this point is up to you.
[QUOTE=Doodle313;40786999]Again, he's not attacking feminism as a whole in this video, a list can't possibly represent all of complex feminist ideology..[/QUOTE]
Funny you say that considering you used his videos as leverage to say "feminism is a cancer to society"
Sure sounds like a general attack.
I like and respect most feminists.
TAA on the other hand...
If advocating genderless treatment when it comes to salary, job, law, sexual activity (number of partners), etc makes you a feminist then everyone should be one and I guess in that case I'm a feminist too.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40791434]If advocating genderless treatment when it comes to salary, job, law, sexual activity (number of partners), etc makes you a feminist then everyone should be one and I guess in that case I'm a feminist too.[/QUOTE]
Yes and that is exactly what feminism is.
[QUOTE=mac338;40792750]Yes and that is exactly what feminism is.[/QUOTE]
But I don't believe that men and women are inherently identical and that the difference that we can see comes only from artificial social standards, I don't think that we should force 50/50 split of genders in every profession and I advocate that everyone (but girls especially) should be careful when partying and they shouldn't get hammered with strangers because that creates a situation where they are more likely to be hurt, getting raped included. Which makes me a misogynistic pig. Can you be a misogynistic feminist pig?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40793177]But I don't believe that men and women are inherently identical and that the difference that we can see comes only from artificial social standards, I don't think that we should force 50/50 split of genders in every profession and I advocate that everyone (but girls especially) should be careful when partying and they shouldn't get hammered with strangers because that creates a situation where they are more likely to be hurt, getting raped included. Which makes me a misogynistic pig. Can you be a misogynistic feminist pig?[/QUOTE]
No you are still a feminist and whoever claims otherwise is wrong by Oxford definition. :v:
[QUOTE=Jackald;40793238]I found TAA really obnoxious, and I don't agree with the way he handled all of those points, but I think he has a point; if you want to be a feminist, there's a lot better you can do for the world in terms of promoting equality than bitching about it on tumblr.[/QUOTE]
Even "bitching" about it in Tumblr is useful. Information is power.
Maybe someone will find a blog post and get interested in the subject, or perhaps someone will read it and learn things they didn't consider before. Maybe they'll realize they've been nurturing erroneous behavior in others, and so on.
A well thought-out argument can do a lot to alter your perception of the world. Unless you're reading/writing stuff like "kill all men" or "all women are whores", that is. In that case you'd just be wasting your time.
[editline]also[/editline]
It's also pretty hilarious that you think TAA has any knowledge on this subject beyond his own distorted view. But hey, it's what I'd expect from a Rangergxi thread.
why can't people just ignore people they don't have much regard for?
if someone trying to push a lifestyle upon me, no matter the lifestyle, i'd just be all like
"no thanks" and walk the fuck off
[sp]but that's just me[/sp]
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;40784619]
The feminist point is that oversexualization leads to men treating women like shit[/QUOTE]
what feminist point wtf are you talking about
oversexualisation is a big discussion topic in feminism and theres no feminist point. the most important feminist concept regarding oversexualisation is that it takes womens own sexuality away and instead forces upon them a male ideal of sexuality.
it has nothing to do with men treating women like shit; why doesnt anyone believe me when i say feminism is about discussion and debate and not an ideology
you should read up on what you are talking about instead of asking rhetorical questions
"The Amazing Atheist" is a tool and if he actually attempted to be at least a tiny bit respectful to people he disagrees with I would take him way more seriously.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40791434]If advocating genderless treatment when it comes to salary, job, law, sexual activity (number of partners), etc makes you a feminist then everyone should be one and I guess in that case I'm a feminist too.[/QUOTE]
whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[editline]26th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40793177]But I don't believe that men and women are inherently identical and that the difference that we can see comes only from artificial social standards, I don't think that we should force 50/50 split of genders in every profession and I advocate that everyone (but girls especially) should be careful when partying and they shouldn't get hammered with strangers because that creates a situation where they are more likely to be hurt, getting raped included. Which makes me a misogynistic pig. Can you be a misogynistic feminist pig?[/QUOTE]
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ):
Y'know when you post pictures of yourself shoving chocolate covered bananas up your arsehole and that's the MOST RESPECTABLE thing about you, it really says something about how much of a shit you are.
Seriously, if this guy was just the 'chocolate covered banana' guy I'd actually respect him more than I do after knowing his opinions.
[editline]27th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40793177]But I don't believe that men and women are inherently identical and that the difference that we can see comes only from artificial social standards, I don't think that we should force 50/50 split of genders in every profession[/quote]
equality =/= homogenity
feminists don't want to force a 50/50 split in jobs and all other walks of life, they want to get rid of the prejudices and such that exist against women in order to give both sexes an EQUAL CHANCE to succeed. getting rid of the economic, social and cultural biases against women is NOT akin to forcing half of all working people in every job to be women
[quote] and I advocate that everyone (but girls especially) should be careful when partying and they shouldn't get hammered with strangers because that creates a situation where they are more likely to be hurt, getting raped included. Which makes me a misogynistic pig. Can you be a misogynistic feminist pig?[/QUOTE]
it's a given that getting so off your face that you lose all your faculties is not a good idea, but it's stupid to say 'oh you had fun at a party, got too drunk and got raped, you ran the risk and you lost out, sorry!' - it's a form of blaming the victim for something that is ENTIRELY the blame of the perpetrator
if someone walks through a bad neighbourhood to get home and gets mugged, is it their fault? while they did walk through a bad neighbourhood but it's the fault of the mugger, and to blame the victim as well as the mugger is avoiding the issue that the neighbourhood is a shithole and something needs to be done about it
Is FP full of angry Christians? Is that why they hate AA so much? This guy is great!
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