[QUOTE=mcbubba;40795918]Is FP full of angry Christians? Is that why they hate AA so much? This guy is great![/QUOTE]
what a spectacular display of missing the point, nice job
[QUOTE=mcbubba;40795918]Is FP full of angry Christians? Is that why they hate AA so much? This guy is great![/QUOTE]
Good job not reading this thread at all.
I think that he is joking guys
this guy needs to spend mroe time stickin banananas up his ass
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[QUOTE=Generic Monk;40795427]equality =/= homogenity
feminists don't want to force a 50/50 split in jobs and all other walks of life, they want to get rid of the prejudices and such that exist against women in order to give both sexes an EQUAL CHANCE to succeed. getting rid of the economic, social and cultural biases against women is NOT akin to forcing half of all working people in every job to be women[/QUOTE]
I've seen people who call themselves feminists advocate exactly that, even on this board. And those who argued against that were called sexist. Plus I don't believe there would be 50/50 split in every profession even after getting rid of the economic, social and cultural biases against women (and men). I think even then there would be jobs more attractive for men and for women simply because we are a little bit different.
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;40795427]it's a given that getting so off your face that you lose all your faculties is not a good idea, but it's stupid to say 'oh you had fun at a party, got too drunk and got raped, you ran the risk and you lost out, sorry!' - it's a form of blaming the victim for something that is ENTIRELY the blame of the perpetrator
if someone walks through a bad neighbourhood to get home and gets mugged, is it their fault? while they did walk through a bad neighbourhood but it's the fault of the mugger, and to blame the victim as well as the mugger is avoiding the issue that the neighbourhood is a shithole and something needs to be done about it[/QUOTE]
It's not your fault for being mugged, it's entirely on the mugger. However it is your fault for going through the neighborhood and increasing your chances of getting mugged. I'd say "this neighborhood is a shithole which is the problem, and until we've dealt with that, you should avoid it."
[QUOTE=Winters;40790913]Funny you say that considering you used his videos as leverage to say "feminism is a cancer to society"
Sure sounds like a general attack.[/QUOTE]
Feminism as the Feminists see it, could be a really good idea, but as of right now, it's doing nothing to help with gender equality, all they do is whine and whine that they get offended by something, they have no influence what so ever.
Humanism has much more influence on the other hand, so we should just stick it with it.
Transhumanism is already being kickstarted and will gain much more influence than feminism.
I'm all on for feminism, but not as it goes on about achieving their goals.
Say what you want, but the truth is. Feminism failed to reach its goals.
Its attempt to even affiliate itself with Atheism is also a failure, Since Atheism+ is complete bullshit, just look at the lunatic that's speaking for it.
Humanism has much more influence and a much bigger community, they should just try to achieve their goals by trying to push them tru the Humanist movement.
It will definitely keep the Pseudo-Feminists influence at a bare minimum and everyone will be happy in the end, hopefully.
[video=youtube;95LG9crl3yo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95LG9crl3yo[/video]
ITT: Feminists
[QUOTE=Dachande;40797256]this guy needs to spend mroe time stickin banananas up his ass
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what the fuck happened in this post lol
[editline]27th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40798379]I've seen people who call themselves feminists advocate exactly that, even on this board. And those who argued against that were called sexist. Plus I don't believe there would be 50/50 split in every profession even after getting rid of the economic, social and cultural biases against women (and men). I think even then there would be jobs more attractive for men and for women simply because we are a little bit different.
It's not your fault for being mugged, it's entirely on the mugger. However it is your fault for going through the neighborhood and increasing your chances of getting mugged. I'd say "this neighborhood is a shithole which is the problem, and until we've dealt with that, you should avoid it."[/QUOTE]
ugh just drop it
[QUOTE=Jackald;40800485]Yeah, but it can get pretty silly. I'm fucking terrified of some of the things that radical feminists on tumblr apparently get up to.[/QUOTE]
like?
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;40800617]like?[/QUOTE]
Going on [I]marches[/I]
with their [I]boobs[/I] out
and splashing catholic priests with [I]water[/I]
[QUOTE=Charybdis;40800985]Going on [I]marches[/I]
with their [I]boobs[/I] out
and splashing catholic priests with [I]water[/I][/QUOTE]
Wow Jesus RIP decent society
Heres 1 good reason.
its stupid and it stinks!
update: I just realized, that counts as two reasons.
[QUOTE=Doodle313;40799292]Feminism as the Feminists see it, could be a really good idea, but as of right now, it's doing nothing to help with gender equality, all they do is whine and whine that they get offended by something, they have no influence what so ever.
Humanism has much more influence on the other hand, so we should just stick it with it.
Transhumanism is already being kickstarted and will gain much more influence than feminism.
I'm all on for feminism, but not as it goes on about achieving their goals.
Say what you want, but the truth is. Feminism failed to reach its goals.
Its attempt to even affiliate itself with Atheism is also a failure, Since Atheism+ is complete bullshit, just look at the lunatic that's speaking for it.
Humanism has much more influence and a much bigger community, they should just try to achieve their goals by trying to push them tru the Humanist movement.
It will definitely keep the Pseudo-Feminists influence at a bare minimum and everyone will be happy in the end, hopefully.[/QUOTE]
This everyone is a prime example of a person having no idea what they're talking about. Read and learn everyone.
[QUOTE=Jackald;40800485]Yeah, but it can get pretty silly. I'm fucking terrified of some of the things that radical feminists on tumblr apparently get up to.[/QUOTE]
Speaking as a non-feminist, "radical feminists on tumblr" is right about at the bottom of the list of things I fear on a daily basis
[QUOTE=Raidyr;40805330]Speaking as a non-feminist, "radical feminists on tumblr" is right about at the bottom of the list of things I fear on a daily basis[/QUOTE]
their crazy rants about a matriarchial society might just [I][B]offend[/B][/I] me
[QUOTE=Winters;40802427]This everyone is a prime example of a person having no idea what they're talking about. Read and learn everyone.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the long and detailed explanation that explains exactly how I don't know anything and how I'm incorrect.
Considering that English is my 4th language I think I did a pretty good job at explaining myself.
If you really wanted to ,you could try and understand it but since you don't want to in the first place it would be completely meaningless, just watch the video.
You could try debating me in Hebrew or Russian if you want, lol.
If you really wanted to show that he's a moron, you would take what he said in the video and make a thread/post/video response, refuting his points and leaving the comments and ratings open for criticism, you would probably get a lot of hate from his followers with blinders, but you would have proven your point, all you did to this point is said that he's stupid and that everyone who listens to him is a moron.
[editline]28th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Winters;40784874]I'm sorry but personal incidents can discredit a person. The fact that he told a rape victim to go drown and rape semen and told them they deserved it completely discredits him when it comes to that topic.
[editline]26th May 2013[/editline]
Are you implying that the patriarchy is this singular body that can be fought rather than dismantled? The point is irrelevant because fighting the objectification of men and women in magazines is fighting the patriarchy. Also it's different for magazines because when magazines do it they're attempt to set a standard for beauty rather than when an individual person does it because of their own tastes. Some sex negative feminists would argue that showing a women naked is bad in general but you explicitly bring up feminists who argue that it's okay for a women to dress the way she wants which I agree with. I disagree with the fact that super models are being placed on the cover of magazines to set an unrealistic standard of beauty for women.[/QUOTE]
How can you possibly even achieve anything, when there are different strands of in feminism that don't even agree on with each other?
Some feminists think that porn is ok, some think that it's not.
Some feminists think that it's ok to put unrealistic models on on magazine covers, and some don't.
Some delusional feminists think that women aren't physically inferior to men, some think that women are.
How can you possibly operate when you have this stupid disorganization and confusion going on?
You can't, that's why this movement is a joke, some feminists don't even think that it's necessary to debate these things inside their own movement.
I personally think that it's Ok to put models on magazines with unrealistic bodies as long as it's profitable, but we also need to educate people that it's not the beauty standard.
I'm pretty sure that it's the same way for men, many men think that they can become these successful and muscly men on the covers, but in reality not everyone can achieve that because we are limited by our biology and there are different body types so that it doesn't matter what it says on the cover, you might never be able to achieve what you want.
Does this mean that we need to ban these magazines?, No.
Even if you do manage to ban these magazines, it's a fact that often men and women have fantasies about men/women with unrealistic bodies, just out of their imagination.
Women often watch porn to realize some of these fantasies.
I don't think I can prove this but I think that even if we do indeed ban these magazines, in the end nothing will change.
Now instead of calling me stupid this time, would you please be kind enough to respond with a counter-argument/idea.
Thank you.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;40805330]Speaking as a non-feminist, "radical feminists on tumblr" is right about at the bottom of the list of things I fear on a daily basis[/QUOTE]
Tumblr feminists might be the main reason why I have no interest in the movement entirely. I'm all about everyone being treated equally, but I refuse to be on the same side as people that routinely lose their shit and gang up on people that don't share their point of view. Tumblr makes it far too easy to selectively respond to people, and I've seen far too many posts where a group of people will single out one response to a post and just destroy it. Even if there is a response posted, you won't ever see it because they're not interested in talking issues. No, they're interested in impressing their peers and abusing the issue to make themselves feel better.
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Some delusional feminists think that women aren't physically inferior to men[/QUOTE]
lmfao ~bIoTrUtHz~
you cant just demand people not call you fucking stupid when you're trying so very hard to show that you are
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;40809758]lmfao ~bIoTrUtHz~
you cant just demand people not call you fucking stupid when you're trying so very hard to show that you are[/QUOTE]
But this is a biological fact, how can you possibly believe otherwise, are you serious?
Men are stronger than women, physically.
if you go against this you're going against biology and science.
It's been like this for whole history of humanity.
Women offered sex for men that would offer them love and child protection for their child against predators.
it's only recently that we started having intellectual discussion, so there wasn't enough time for Women and Men to get adapted by Evolution to the current situation.
That's why I think Trasnhumanism is going to give us the real true equality that some of us so desire
Why wait for Evolution to adapt Females and Males to the current environment if they can just choose to do it themselves?, much better/practical then whining about inequality if you ask me.
We will still need to regulate this because when people can just freely augment themselves to be whatever they want, it will cause inequality and we don't want that.
But this is so much better than Feminism in my opinion.
Evolution doesn't favor equality.
That's funny nowhere in any of my biology or anatomy and physiology books does it say anywhere that women are "physically inferior to men"
In fact I'm having trouble finding anything that promotes this as a "biological fact"
[editline]28th May 2013[/editline]
you'll also have a grand old time trying to define what "physically inferior" even means
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;40809986]That's funny nowhere in any of my biology or anatomy and physiology books does it say anywhere that women are "physically inferior to men"
In fact I'm having trouble finding anything that promotes this as a "biological fact"
[editline]28th May 2013[/editline]
you'll also have a grand old time trying to define what "physically inferior" even means[/QUOTE]
You can't be serious.
oh my god your edited post
you are a fucking nutjob dude
[editline]28th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Doodle313;40809997]You can't be serious.[/QUOTE]
I am, are you?
Maybe you'd like to point out some studies with scientific worth backing your claim.
[video=vimeo;64941331]http://vimeo.com/64941331#[/video]
This may not fit, but I still fell like putting it here.
jesus christ seriously
"feminism is stupid because biotruths and cavemen therefore stop being feminist and start thinking more about cyborgs"
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;40809998]oh my god your edited post
you are a fucking nutjob dude
[editline]28th May 2013[/editline]
I am, are you?
Maybe you'd like to point out some studies with scientific worth backing your claim.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://jp.physoc.org/content/338/1/37.abstract[/url]
Maybe I didn't explain myself correctly.
By Physically I meant muscle and physical stamina, nothing cognitive.
Women are actually better at making complex and fast decisions than men.
[editline]28th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;40810022]jesus christ seriously
"feminism is stupid because biotruths and cavemen therefore stop being feminist and start thinking more about cyborgs"[/QUOTE]
That really explained a lot, you might want to explain yourself better.
I'm doing my best here to explain myself with my poor English skill.
If you're going to debate, could you please at least put more effort into your arguments?
Transhumanism is going to benefit everyone in the end.
okay doodle let me get this straight
you said that women were biologically inferior to men and that was a biological fact
now you're saying it's just strength?
man if you're going to be crazy, at least be consistent
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;40810215]okay doodle let me get this straight
you said that women were biologically inferior to men and that was a biological fact
now you're saying it's just strength?
man if you're going to be crazy, at least be consistent[/QUOTE]
Quote me where I've said that women are inferior to men in general?
I've always said that it was muscle and Physical stamina.
I don't know Facepunch really well, but you seem to be retarded in general, also furry.
Humans are a sexually dimorphic. It is a fact. Men are generally taller and heavier. But in no way does that say women are 'inferior'.
[QUOTE=Doodle313;40810251]you seem to be retarded in general, also furry.[/QUOTE]
this is my new favorite way to describe myself
oh boy a new TAA video let me reach for my fedora and banana
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