[QUOTE=dass;40814793]Yeah we dont need reruns of obnoxious teens playing good guy activist from 9 to 10.[/QUOTE]
referring to people on the other side of the debate as 'good guys' makes it seem like you're only fighting feminism to seem edgy
do you have a real argument or are you just going to piss yourself
[QUOTE=Winters;40813938]Feminism is in no way more extreme now than the movement of the 60s. Women fought and DIED in the 60s.[/QUOTE]
The modern feminist movement which complains about sexualized advertising and silly jokes is nothing like the first or second waves of feminism. Those movements actually had reasonable goals such as women should vote, women should have a say in relationships, etc.
This current movement just gets offended about things and wants to censor everything.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40815703]The modern feminist movement which complains about sexualized advertising and silly jokes is nothing like the first or second waves of feminism. Those movements actually had reasonable goals such as women should vote, women should have a say in relationships, etc.
This current movement just gets offended about things and wants to censor everything.[/QUOTE]
Apparently wanting to, reduce violent crimes against women, reduce rape, pass more lenient birth control and abortion laws, and close the paygap are also unrealistic complainer goals.
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Also once again we're generalizing the entire movement for some reason?
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40815703]The modern feminist movement which complains about sexualized advertising and silly jokes is nothing like the first or second waves of feminism. Those movements actually had reasonable goals such as women should vote, women should have a say in relationships, etc.
This current movement just gets offended about things and wants to censor everything.[/QUOTE]
The current incarnation of the feminist movement doesn't want to "censor" anything, it aims to change stupid ideas about women and people in general that force unfair gender stereotypes on all of us. You all have this stupid strawmanned perception of the general idea and don't even bother to actually read up on the topic.
Contrary to what you guys seem to think, sexuality (and sexualization) isn't bad. Human beings are sexual beings and there's nothing wrong with that. The problem lies when women are reduced to what they are biologically, like so many have done in this disgusting fucking thread. This is out for everyone to see in films, music, videogames and pretty much any other form of media. You hear gangsta rap songs about "hoes on my dick" and ridiculously sexualized female characters with no depth whatsoever in film and videogames to appeal to hormonal teenagers. This is bad, it teaches people that objectifying women is okay and impoverishes art and culture. It needs to stop.
And the "silly jokes" you're so fond of making are incredibly offensive. When you make epic funny jokes about how dem females should stay in the kitchen, you're basically telling everyone else that saying stupid shit like that is ok and that it's okay to make jokes about women's issues because it isn't a big deal.
Like it's been said countless times before, feminism is, first and foremost, about equality. And women are definitely not equal to men. Women [I]are[/I] paid less than men in the same fields, women [I]are[/I] shamed for being promiscuous while men are praised for the same thing, and women [I]don't[/I] have full control of their bodies in many places around the world. And that's just scratching the surface.
Stop spreading misinformation, read up on the topic before flapping your gums on stuff you don't understand and get rid of your tunnel vision.
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[QUOTE=dass;40814390]Changing a few opinions on a forum =/= changing the opinions of the whole world. Specially on FP...
I really see it as Fp's Kony.[/QUOTE]
Ideas are infectious. All you have to do is sneeze, no matter where.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40815703]This current movement just gets offended about things and wants to censor everything.[/QUOTE]
the fact that a dude like TAA not only exists but has numerous supporters and followers is evidence enough that the modern feminist movement still has a p. fuckin solid point, i mean idk how a huge bunch of dudes defending a guy who's threatened more than once to rape women he disagrees with is not at all worth getting worried about.
but no you're right there is no misogyny anymore feminists are just getting all flustered over nothing at all!!
[QUOTE=Cone;40816549]the fact that a dude like TAA not only exists but has numerous supporters and followers is evidence enough that the modern feminist movement still has a p. fuckin solid point, i mean idk how a huge bunch of dudes defending a guy who's threatened more than once to rape women he disagrees with is not at all worth getting worried about.
but no you're right there is no misogyny anymore feminists are just getting all flustered over nothing at all!![/QUOTE]
No one has yet proven that the Reddit account was Legitimate.
He NEVER justified rape on any of his videos, any videos involving any mention rape he was completely against it, find me 1 video where he says that he will rape or that it's OK to rape women/men.
You wont find it because those Reddit posts are not consistent with reality.
I'm not saying that he possess some superior intellect, his main goal is to gain audience.
He provides entertainment by taking stupid people and making fun of them.
He has some good points, which is amazing if you ask me.
Try doing a video while being super angry and ranting about stuff while having coherent arguments.
But to go as far as to say that he justifies rape and that he threatens people with rape, that is low.
I refuse to believe that he made those posts until someone will prove otherwise.
And even if it turns out that those posts were real (Which I highly doubt that they are),
It's not like he's constantly talking about how rape is OK and that we should rape each other.
If it turns out that it was indeed him, at least he apologized in the end.
If this turns out to be real, then it will be disappointing.
But all this will show is that he has anger issues and that now for a long time he has gotten better at maintaining his anger issues.
Just like TJ has gained more tolerance towards retarded people, I think Feminists should 2.
Everyone should have more tolerance.
[QUOTE=Doodle313;40817212]No one has yet proven that the Reddit account was Legitimate.
He NEVER justified rape on any of his videos, any videos involving any mention rape he was completely against it, find me 1 video where he says that he will rape or that it's OK to rape women/men.
You wont find it because those Reddit posts are not consistent with reality.
I'm not saying that he possess some superior intellect, his main goal is to gain audience.
He provides entertainment by taking stupid people and making fun of them.
He has some good points, which is amazing if you ask me.
Try doing a video while being super angry and ranting about stuff while having coherent arguments.
But to go as far as to say that he justifies rape and that he threatens people with rape, that is low.
I refuse to believe that he made those posts until someone will prove otherwise.
And even if it turns out that those posts were real (Which I highly doubt that they are),
It's not like he's constantly talking about how rape is OK and the we should rape each other.
If it turns out that it was indeed him, at least he even apologized in the end.
If this turns out to be real, then it will be disappointing.
But all this will show is that he has anger issues and that now for a long time he has gotten better at maintaining his anger issues.
Just like TJ has gained more tolerance towards retarded people, I think Feminists should 2.
Everyone should have more tolerance.[/QUOTE]
uhh if the account wasn't legitimate why would he apologize later? trolls and impersonators aren't really known for trying to repair their victim's reputation lol
and how the fuck does him having anger issues somehow justify all this dumb shit he's said? if he regularly goes ballistic and starts acting retarded he shouldn't be making videos under the premise of them being factual analyses. also lol @ feminists not having perfect tolerance for people who usually make no bones about their status as asocial misogynists. "oh no theyre not perfectly fine with verbal abuse and sexism, the whole feminist movement is a sham!!!!"
[QUOTE=Cone;40817341]uhh if the account wasn't legitimate why would he apologize later? trolls and impersonators aren't really known for trying to repair their victim's reputation lol
and how the fuck does him having anger issues somehow justify all this dumb shit he's said? if he regularly goes ballistic and starts acting retarded he shouldn't be making videos under the premise of them being factual analyses. also lol @ feminists not having perfect tolerance for people who usually make no bones about their status as asocial misogynists. "oh no theyre not perfectly fine with verbal abuse and sexism, the whole feminist movement is a sham!!!!"[/QUOTE]
He doesn't regularly go ballistic, this was a one time incident.
and you're taking what I've said out of context, all I said is that everyone should have more tolerance, I'm not saying that because Feminists have less tolerance it makes them a sham.
And regarding the Reddit posts, the troll (if it was a troll) could have apologized to make it appear as he was actually meaning what he said.
You're not taking all the options into account.
If I were in his position, (I find out that someone is impersonating me on some social forum and degrading me) I would simply not talk about it, because if I can't prove that it's not me, it will just cause more attention and will hurt me in the end.
I'm all for equal rights but a lot of the "why you should be feminist" shit in that video is actually painfully stupid and just a load of shit in general.
I don't ever really seem to hear of the reasonable feminists. I'm sure they exist and it's rather unfortunate they never really seem to be heard.
[QUOTE=Saza;40817437]I'm all for equal rights but a lot of the "why you should be feminist" shit in that video is actually painfully stupid and just a load of shit in general.
I don't ever really seem to hear of the reasonable feminists. I'm sure they exist and it's rather unfortunate they never really seem to be heard.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure that reasonable feminists exist, that really actively do things that will help equality, it's just sad that the ones getting the attention are the radical crazy pseudo-feminists.
[QUOTE=Doodle313;40817475]I'm sure that reasonable feminists exist, that really actively do things that will help equality, it's just sad that the ones getting the attention are the radical crazy pseudo-feminists.[/QUOTE]
That might have to do with shitbags like The Amazing Atheist screaming all day long that all kinds of feminism are radical and misandrist and man-hating and etc etc etc
Listen to their shit enough and you'll convince yourself that the "real" feminists are only those who do not cause you to question yourself, who sit nicely in the corner and don't provoke any change.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40817632]That might have to do with shitbags like The Amazing Atheist screaming all day long that all kinds of feminism are radical and misandrist and man-hating and etc etc etc
Listen to their shit enough and you'll convince yourself that the "real" feminists are only those who do not cause you to question yourself, who sit nicely in the corner and don't provoke any change.[/QUOTE]
The radical feminists are everywhere, YouTube/Freethoughtblogs/Reddit/the whole Atheism+ movement are radical.
Thunderf00t does a really good Job at explaining this.
Feminism at it's current popularity/state is causing more harm then good.
I can't see it any other way.
[QUOTE=Doodle313;40817692]The radical feminists are everywhere, YouTube/Freethoughtblogs/Reddit/the whole Atheism+ movement are radical.
Thunderf00t does a really good Job at explaining this.
Feminism at it's current popularity/state is causing more harm then good.
I can't see it any other way.[/QUOTE]
Explain to me what is a "radical" feminist to you?
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And what is a "non radical" feminist
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40817712]Explain to me what is a "radical" feminist to you?
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And what is a "non radical" feminist[/QUOTE]
A radical feminist is a "Feminist" that claims that she's a feminist and that she fights for the gender equality while actually fighting for women empowerment and doing other stupid shit.
Typical Radical feminist
[video=youtube;nvYyGTmcP80]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvYyGTmcP80[/video]
A real feminist who really desires gender equality is a Feminist that actively participates in debates regarding gender equality and knows what to do to achieve gender equality.
Typical reasonable feminist [video=youtube;_NJCTd2pouE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NJCTd2pouE[/video]
[QUOTE=Doodle313;40817406]and you're taking what I've said out of context, all I said is that everyone should have more tolerance, I'm not saying that because Feminists have less tolerance it makes them a sham.[/QUOTE]
well i still think you could probably fucking understand feminism's lack of tolerance considering there's retards like TAA spreading hateful, ignorant lies about the movement, which are then regurgitated by his fedora-wearing, misogynistic fans. i'd be pretty fuckin pissed about that, wouldn't you?
[QUOTE=Doodle313;40817406]And regarding the Reddit posts, the troll (if it was a troll) could have apologized to make it appear as he was actually meaning what he said.
You're not taking all the options into account.
If I were in his position, (I find out that someone is impersonating me on some social forum and degrading me) I would simply not talk about it, because if I can't prove that it's not me, it will just cause more attention and will hurt me in the end.[/QUOTE]
there is absolutely [I]nothing[/I] to suggest that it wasn't TAA making those dumb, retarded posts other than your own desire to justify his shit. his apology only came [I]after[/I] everyone flipped out about it btw, so it's not like he even cared about the things he said anyway
[QUOTE=Cone;40817960]well i still think you could probably fucking understand feminism's lack of tolerance considering there's retards like TAA spreading hateful, ignorant lies about the movement, which are then regurgitated by his fedora-wearing, misogynistic fans. i'd be pretty fuckin pissed about that, wouldn't you?
there is absolutely [I]nothing[/I] to suggest that it wasn't TAA making those dumb, retarded posts other than your own desire to justify his shit. his apology only came [I]after[/I] everyone flipped out about it btw, so it's not like he even cared about the things he said anyway[/QUOTE]
I could say the same thing about you, you don't even want to consider the option that those posts weren't his, how does it prove anything?, it doesn't.
What I see is that you don't even bother to watch the videos, you're not serious at all.
[QUOTE=Doodle313;40817831]A radical feminist is a "Feminist" that claims that she's a feminist and that she fights for the gender equality while actually fighting for women empowerment and doing other stupid shit.
Typical Radical feminist
[video=youtube;nvYyGTmcP80]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvYyGTmcP80[/video][/QUOTE]
1) how is fighting for women's empowerment "radical"? women get the bad end of the stick, attaining gender equality goes hand-in-hand with this
2) i couldn't really hear anything outrageous in that video?
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40818025]1) how is fighting for women's empowerment "radical"? women get the bad end of the stick, attaining gender equality goes hand-in-hand with this
2) i couldn't really hear anything outrageous in that video?[/QUOTE]
I'm done, good bye everyone.
This forum is full of fucking morons.
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[QUOTE=Doodle313;40817985]I could say the same thing about you, you don't even want to consider the option that those posts weren't his, how does it prove anything?, it doesn't.[/QUOTE]
Dude... it's a fact that it's his Reddit account and that he wrote these posts...
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[QUOTE=Doodle313;40818034]I'm done, good bye everyone.
This forum is full of fucking morons.[/QUOTE]
Dude, god damn. I'm asking you what exactly you find so "radical" in that video. I'm trying to understand your mindset.
[QUOTE=Doodle313;40817985]I could say the same thing about you, you don't even want to consider the option that those posts weren't his, how does it prove anything?, it doesn't.[/QUOTE]
[I]but there isn't evidence to support the conclusion you've drawn[/I]
[QUOTE=Saza;40817437]
I don't ever really seem to hear of the reasonable feminists. I'm sure they exist and it's rather unfortunate they never really seem to be heard.[/QUOTE]
I'm new to the world of feminism and didn't really give such things much thought even a few months ago but I disagree. Most of the people who consider themselves feminists/support feminism seem to be fairly reasonable folk, with only the "extreme" ones being the outliers.
TheAmazingAtheist never fails to make me lose faith in the human race.
[QUOTE=Jimmymi;40818513]TheAmazingAtheist never fails to make me lose faith in the human race.[/QUOTE]
the human race is amazing and TAA is a stupid sack of shit
don't let an idiot like TAA or his idiotic fanbase put you down, if anything, you should feel proud that you aren't that pathetic
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;40818723]the human race is amazing and TAA is a stupid sack of shit
don't let an idiot like TAA put you down, if anything, you should feel proud that you aren't that pathetic[/QUOTE]
The human species is still pretty fucking awful, actually.
You have your cheaters, self-entitleds, liars, bigots, and all of the subsidiaries of what is listed. You have people who would be fine with getting a cheap thrill at the expense of others, and then plays it off as if they did nothing wrong. You have hordes of people doing the most stupid fucking things as soon as they are promised anonymity. And you have people excusing and justifying all of the awful, awful traits and things listed above, and calling the ones who call it out stupid.
Anyone can sugarcoat it by saying that those people are a very small minority, but they aren't.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;40818477]I'm new to the world of feminism and didn't really give such things much thought even a few months ago but I disagree. Most of the people who consider themselves feminists/support feminism seem to be fairly reasonable folk, with only the "extreme" ones being the outliers.[/QUOTE]
I guess that's good for you. I'm not against it; I'm against the people who are making incredibly bullshit claims or being fucking morons about it because they're being fucking stupid, not because they stand for women's rights.
I just have yet to really see the more reasonable side. Unfortunately for them, I don't hear much of it in real life - almost all I've heard is on the internet, so of course, I only see the extreme side of it. I think that's really the problem.
blows my mind people are still supporting this guy this late into the thread
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;40819030]The human species is still pretty fucking awful, actually.
You have your cheaters, self-entitleds, liars, bigots, and all of the subsidiaries of what is listed. You have people who would be fine with getting a cheap thrill at the expense of others, and then plays it off as if they did nothing wrong. You have hordes of people doing the most stupid fucking things as soon as they are promised anonymity. And you have people excusing and justifying all of the awful, awful traits and things listed above, and calling the ones who call it out stupid.
Anyone can sugarcoat it by saying that those people are a very small minority, but they aren't.[/QUOTE]
i heard you can get friend zoned too
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;40827905]What if I busted your nose and stole your cigarettes
How would you like that huh[/QUOTE]
I would be highly offended on account of me being a womanly man
I actually think a large portion of the feminist movement is completely stupid and blind, but this doesn't change the fact that TAA is really annoying and bad at arguments.
The feminist movement I have seen in my area is more anti-men than pro-women.
It's like "yay! women are great! they deserve to be equal and awesome and they are super!"
but instead it's like "women are the best, and deserve the best because men are terrible and if you're a man you should feel bad you fucking rapist!"
A lesbian friend I have actually admitted she is sexually attracted to men, but hates guys so much she would never want to be with one; and she's not the only one.
Maybe we should just educate all the shitty guys so I don't have to feel bad for being a man.
I hate this guy so fucking much, its like he thinks the only type of feminist are those armchair ones who angerly blog or make some shitty videos(like the one hes talking against), its like the vocal online majority since its what you see the most of.
But he had some valid points on a lot of these, especially the one about women in other cultures, like really, what the fuck is feminism gonna do about that? I dont think the person that made that video would go to some shithole in africa/middle east and start doing a fucking parade for awareness over there.
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