Swedish police struggling to handle a single violent man - General

It pisses me off so much seeing a whole bunch of keyboard warriors thinking they know (and would've handled the situation better) than trained professionals. Alot of people here (thankfully not all) seem to think that they know better than the officers in question simply by watching the video which leads me to my next several points. 1. Police officers are not psychics nor are they seers. When they walk into that refugee camp (it is, 10 minutes from where I live) they have no idea what this guy is on and I'd love to see any of you skinny bitches try to take down a guy under influence who very clearly did not want to go down. But Viper, aren't you contradicting yourself now? No, because I have both military and civilian self-defense training so I know what I am talking about. 2. "Shoot him in the knee" is still just a bullshit Hollywood thing that doesn't work in real life. Everyone with basic weapon training or knowledge regarding police/military training knows that when you fire a pistol/sidearm/handgun/etc. it's always two shots center-mass because that's the optimal way of eliminating someone who pose a severe threat. 3. Swedish police are some of the best out there, not the best but def. at the top. Why? Because everyone, both men and women, go through rigorous training in dealing with situations in a multitude of ways. People claiming that we have female cops only to fill out the "PC standard" are wrong. Swedes love gender equality (I would know) but this can mostly be seen in the civilian sector. Female members of the police, military and rescue/EMS/fire brigade have earned their place through hard work and dedication. You don't see any landwhales walking about, only fit men and women who all do their best to stay with the standard. 4. I don't expect the lot of you to know this (haven't seen any international media write about it) but the current chief of police, Dan Eliasson, is a massive retard who seems hellbent on messing up every organization he touch which sadly now includes our Police force. What does this mean? It means that alot of veteran officers have been jumping ship because the new, much much lower, salaries and extreme overtime obliterate their personal time. This means that during the spring of last year standards were (temporarily) lowered in order to bring in more officers. Does this mean that they bring in anyone from the street? Hell no, it just means that they've expanded the recruiting roster so that more potential candidates are hired. 5. Tasers would be a great solution to many problems our police face (as shown by this video) but the truth is our country doesn't have a abnormally large problem with drugs and alcohol which means that situations depicted in thsi video are extremely rare. Thankfully, as someone said above, our police will begin trialing tasers. 6. Finally it's worth noting that the general public here in Sweden love to bitch and moan about literally everything. This inlcudes the police and how they handle violent situations. More than once people seem to think that our police are all-knowing superhumans who should know better when in reality they are, as said before, not psychic and unable to read people's minds. It has become a (retarded) norm for the general public to bitch on our officers when in reality it is much easier to record something than actually solving it yourself. [QUOTE=Big Bang;52063636]People somehow implying that American police forces are better trained than this definitely haven't seen the average police officer in Sweden. I've yet to see one out of shape officer during my time in Skåne. [b]Also where exactly is the proof that the guy is an asylum seeker?[/b] Why is that in the title?[/QUOTE] The place in the video is a refugee camp in Farsta. It was finished last year. Of course it could be some violent dude living in the nearby apartment complex but that's assuming it's some very pissed off dude who just decided to take a 10 min walk down to the camp just to argue with people. (Which seems unlikely, considering the state he's in.)

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52063791]They regularly carry [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Police_Authority#Equipment"]SIG Sauer, pepper spray and expandable batons[/URL]. Their equipment isn't a problem. And bringing up the % of women in the force is completely irrelevant, so I don't see why you even bring that up in the first place. What are you implying?[/QUOTE] Batons are worthless and oc spray is only useful in certain circumstances. The taser is the best intermediate weapon. It has it's limitations, but few things can rival the instant compliance it can generate on even intoxicated suspects.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52065728]He found something that I couldn't. [URL]https://nyheteridag.se/startade-brand-slogs-med-poliser-och-forstorde-polisbil-vid-asylboende-han-blev-galen/[/URL] and google translated [URL="https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fnyheteridag.se%2Fstartade-brand-slogs-med-poliser-och-forstorde-polisbil-vid-asylboende-han-blev-galen%2F&sandbox=1"]https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fnyheteridag.se%2Fstartade-brand-slogs-med-poliser-och-forstorde-polisbil-vid-asylboende-han-blev-galen%2F&sandbox=1 [/URL]Also someone asked why is the "asylum seeker" in the title. I couldn't confirm that at the point of making this thread so I've used "violent man" instead. Now it's confirmed.[/QUOTE] "Poliserna på platsen ska ha fått förstärkning från ytterligare en patrull med två manliga poliser. När de två manliga poliserna försöker omhänderta 22-åringen blir de puttade så bägge två faller omkull. Det berättar flera personer vid boendet." Two male officers arrived as backup and not even those two could handle it. Just goes to show.

[QUOTE=Grim2o0o;52067548]"Poliserna på platsen ska ha fått förstärkning från ytterligare en patrull med två manliga poliser. När de två manliga poliserna försöker omhänderta 22-åringen blir de puttade så bägge två faller omkull. Det berättar flera personer vid boendet." Two male officers arrived as backup and not even those two could handle it. Just goes to show.[/QUOTE] Well then, looks like the training overall could be at fault if they 5 v 1 a guy.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52067566]Well then, looks like the training overall could be at fault if they 5 v 1 a guy.[/QUOTE] There is no fault. This doesn't happen often in Sweden. The only reason why you're continuing to hound onto this is because you want to show this somehow proves that Sweden is a hellhole.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52067566]Well then, looks like the training overall could be at fault if they 5 v 1 a guy.[/QUOTE] Sorry man, but what you're saying doesn't make a whole lot of sense. As of 2014, Sweden has 28,689 employed police officials - and that's not even sworn officers. The 3 officers in this video makes up less than .0104% of their police force. To assume that their training may be less than effective based on such a tiny statistic is a bit absurd.

Come on, dropping a baton and just leaving it there shows lack of professionalism. I wouldn't attribute the same level of training (or lack of) to the entire police force in Sweden but that one particular person really seems like she needs more training. [QUOTE=Grim2o0o;52067548]"Poliserna på platsen ska ha fått förstärkning från ytterligare en patrull med två manliga poliser. När de två manliga poliserna försöker omhänderta 22-åringen blir de puttade så bägge två faller omkull. Det berättar flera personer vid boendet." Two male officers arrived as backup and not even those two could handle it. Just goes to show.[/QUOTE] Is this making any more headlines in Sweden? Has any new info been given why were they unable/unwilling to overpower him?

You can't generalize the entire police force from this video, but everyone in the footage needs to be reviewed on how they handled it and the higher ups need to make sure something like this isn't able to happen again. I think the officers are lucky he wasn't armed with anything and didn't seem to be too interested in wrecking their faces with his fists.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;52067631]There is no fault. This doesn't happen often in Sweden. The only reason why you're continuing to hound onto this is because you want to show this somehow proves that Sweden is a hellhole.[/QUOTE] Sweden isn't a hellhole. Actually would like to visit sometime. If you assume I think it is hellhole because I posted critical stories on the country, then you really haven't looked at the content of what I have actually said on the country. Also me suggesting they need to revaluate training isn't necessarily the whole police force. Atleast the officers from the situation and then judge if officers from similar groups who trained together might have been given bad training. But yeah I can imagine the majority of the Swedish police force is fine.

[QUOTE=dai;52061266]you guys underestimate the power of someone going full survival beastmode, then there's the potential he could be drunk (check that staggering) helping him ignore some pain in the grapples. Clearly something already made him snap and stop giving a shit about anything, meanwhile 3/4 of the cops are women who aren't in fight or flight mode Dude had the weight of two cops on him right at the beginning and lifted them both just to stand back up from a near-prone position, clearly he's already strong. if they don't have the means to end the threat or hold him down without the risk that he'll fuck somebody up, yeah they're supposed to stand back and wait for backup while hoping the idiot cools off a bit [editline]e[/editline] wait no "what a buncha pussies I coulda handled it"[/QUOTE] Should have just hit him with the car, he'd be asking for it.

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;52066087]It pisses me off so much seeing a whole bunch of keyboard warriors thinking they know (and would've handled the situation better) than trained professionals. Alot of people here (thankfully not all) seem to think that they know better than the officers in question simply by watching the video which leads me to my next several points. 1. Police officers are not psychics nor are they seers. When they walk into that refugee camp (it is, 10 minutes from where I live) they have no idea what this guy is on and I'd love to see any of you skinny bitches try to take down a guy under influence who very clearly did not want to go down. But Viper, aren't you contradicting yourself now? No, because I have both military and civilian self-defense training so I know what I am talking about. 2. "Shoot him in the knee" is still just a bullshit Hollywood thing that doesn't work in real life. Everyone with basic weapon training or knowledge regarding police/military training knows that when you fire a pistol/sidearm/handgun/etc. it's always two shots center-mass because that's the optimal way of eliminating someone who pose a severe threat. 3. Swedish police are some of the best out there, not the best but def. at the top. Why? Because everyone, both men and women, go through rigorous training in dealing with situations in a multitude of ways. People claiming that we have female cops only to fill out the "PC standard" are wrong. Swedes love gender equality (I would know) but this can mostly be seen in the civilian sector. Female members of the police, military and rescue/EMS/fire brigade have earned their place through hard work and dedication. You don't see any landwhales walking about, only fit men and women who all do their best to stay with the standard. 4. I don't expect the lot of you to know this (haven't seen any international media write about it) but the current chief of police, Dan Eliasson, is a massive retard who seems hellbent on messing up every organization he touch which sadly now includes our Police force. What does this mean? It means that alot of veteran officers have been jumping ship because the new, much much lower, salaries and extreme overtime obliterate their personal time. This means that during the spring of last year standards were (temporarily) lowered in order to bring in more officers. Does this mean that they bring in anyone from the street? Hell no, it just means that they've expanded the recruiting roster so that more potential candidates are hired. 5. Tasers would be a great solution to many problems our police face (as shown by this video) but the truth is our country doesn't have a abnormally large problem with drugs and alcohol which means that situations depicted in thsi video are extremely rare. Thankfully, as someone said above, our police will begin trialing tasers. 6. Finally it's worth noting that the general public here in Sweden love to bitch and moan about literally everything. This inlcudes the police and how they handle violent situations. More than once people seem to think that our police are all-knowing superhumans who should know better when in reality they are, as said before, not psychic and unable to read people's minds. It has become a (retarded) norm for the general public to bitch on our officers when in reality it is much easier to record something than actually solving it yourself. The place in the video is a refugee camp in Farsta. It was finished last year. Of course it could be some violent dude living in the nearby apartment complex but that's assuming it's some very pissed off dude who just decided to take a 10 min walk down to the camp just to argue with people. (Which seems unlikely, considering the state he's in.)[/QUOTE] You can make all the points you want about you being a trained badass and Swedish police being some of the best in the world (then later in the post saying that the standards were lower, implying these people possibly aren't up to the normal standard, which would invalidate the defense of Swedish police being some of the best.) There's really no proper excuse a single unarmed man besting so many police officers. This isn't an issue of Swedish police, this happens with police in general, and the fact it does does in fact have enough implications to cast doubt on the training of the officers in question. Look at that video and say they handled it in the best, or even an acceptably decent manner. The only thing that can be said for them is that none of them died or were injured, and the only reason for that is that the man in the video seemed more set on getting away than having a melee with them. [editline]6th April 2017[/editline] Also calling people "keyboard warriors" and "skinny bitches" while simultaneously trying to validate your argument by saying you're trained and therefore an expert whose view on the matter trumps dissenters.

[QUOTE=Rebi;52069633]You can make all the points you want about you being a trained badass and Swedish police being some of the best in the world (then later in the post saying that the standards were lower, implying these people possibly aren't up to the normal standard, which would invalidate the defense of Swedish police being some of the best.) There's really no proper excuse a single unarmed man besting so many police officers. This isn't an issue of Swedish police, this happens with police in general, and the fact it does does in fact have enough implications to cast doubt on the training of the officers in question. Look at that video and say they handled it in the best, or even an acceptably decent manner. The only thing that can be said for them is that none of them died or were injured, and the only reason for that is that the man in the video seemed more set on getting away than having a melee with them. [editline]6th April 2017[/editline] Also calling people "keyboard warriors" and "skinny bitches" while simultaneously trying to validate your argument by saying you're trained and therefore an expert whose view on the matter trumps dissenters.[/QUOTE] I can agree on the insults but I didn't claim to be a badass. The only reason I brought up my own training is to cite a valid source rather than sit and make something up out of thin air. The whole standards thing is to point out why some (or all) of the officers in the video might not have been able to handle the situation in an optimal way but then again that's impossible for anyone of us to know as they could very well be veteran officers working overtime for the tenth time during a week (exhaustion can be dangerous). Nowhere during my initial post did I claim that they did a good job (they were, as you said, very lucky) but their performance reflects something all our officers strive to do which is the goal to solve all situations with as little force as possible, something I think is admirable. Another explanation for how they handled everything would be point six which plays a much bigger role than you might think here in Sweden. You need to keep in mind that for many of the refugees in that camp that was their first real contact with our law enforcement and had the officers brutalized some guy or riddled him with bullets that would only lead to more civil unrest which in turn would put more pressure on our already exhausted police.

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;52070596]I can agree on the insults but I didn't claim to be a badass. The only reason I brought up my own training is to cite a valid source rather than sit and make something up out of thin air.[/quote] Ok I am cool with not making shi- [quote] ...they could very well be veteran officers working overtime for the tenth time during a week (exhaustion can be dangerous).[/quote] Oh nevermind you made some shit up/a huge assumption for 5 separate officers and ran with it. Besides, what the hell kind of hyperbole is overtime for the tenth time in a week? There are only 7 days a week, and the I assume most officers have >7 shifts a week to do much like everyone with a job. You sound like you talking half out your ass.

I don't think you understand quite how much overtime our officers have to deal with. Shifts and schedules go out the window. [editline]7th April 2017[/editline] [url]http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/sa-ser-krisen-inom-polisen-i-sverige-ut/[/url] [url]http://www.gd.se/blaljus/josephine-slutar-som-polis-efter-13-ar-det-gar-inte-langre-att-hjalpa-medborgarna[/url] [url]http://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/manga-unga-poliser-valjer-att-sluta-mycket-strul[/url] [url]http://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/ost/fordubbling-av-antalet-poliser-som-sager-upp-sig[/url] [url]http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article21737822.ab[/url] [url]http://www.tv4.se/nyheterna/klipp/allt-fler-poliser-f%C3%A5r-nog-och-s%C3%A4ger-upp-sig-3473992[/url] [url]http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/polisen-oroas-av-alla-avhopp/[/url] [url]https://www.svd.se/allt-fler-poliser-sager-upp-sig[/url] [editline]7th April 2017[/editline] You're gonna need to translate those sources.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52067566]Well then, looks like the training overall could be at fault if they 5 v 1 a guy.[/QUOTE] [I]You are from the United States of America[/I] How the fuck is five officers to a single perpetrator even remotely noteworthy to you, have you [I]ever[/I] seen US cops responding to an incident? Especially an incident involving a violent perpetrator? Shit, I've seen a basic traffic stop turn to arrests and from start to finish there were like five different patrol vehicles involved at different points and at [I]least [/I]three officers milling around at any given point, and this was a completely nonviolent situation There's a whole wealth of videos further up the page that should more than showcase just how fucking crazy humans can be and just how hard making an arrest can be

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;52070596]I can agree on the insults but I didn't claim to be a badass. The only reason I brought up my own training is to cite a valid source rather than sit and make something up out of thin air. The whole standards thing is to point out why some (or all) of the officers in the video might not have been able to handle the situation in an optimal way but then again that's impossible for anyone of us to know as they could very well be veteran officers working overtime for the tenth time during a week (exhaustion can be dangerous). Nowhere during my initial post did I claim that they did a good job (they were, as you said, very lucky) but their performance reflects something all our officers strive to do which is the goal to solve all situations with as little force as possible, something I think is admirable. Another explanation for how they handled everything would be point six which plays a much bigger role than you might think here in Sweden. You need to keep in mind that for many of the refugees in that camp that was their first real contact with our law enforcement and had the officers brutalized some guy or riddled him with bullets that would only lead to more civil unrest which in turn would put more pressure on our already exhausted police.[/QUOTE] Sorry if I seemed harsh about the insults, it just looked to me like you were bringing up your experience to discredit others. I'm not talking out of thin air either, though, in saying that they could have controlled the situation if they handled it better on the grappling front. I'm no self defense expert but I've trained enough in BJJ and wrestling to have had experiences dealing with fully resisting people that are bigger and stronger, and there are some things that simply work, regardless of how strong or drugged up a person is. Leverage and weight distribution can keep a person on the ground, because even if they're stronger than you, they're not stronger than physics. Not just from this but from many examples it seems that police around the world just don't have the training they should in these things. A police officer should necessarily be a competent grappler, it's a necessary skill when trying to arrest someone who doesn't want to be arrested. As for the rest, that they were potentially exhausted or holding back to not alienate refugees, these are plausible explanations. But those aren't something we know as a fact just by looking at the video, so can we not just look at the competence they've displayed, rather than speculating on their potential competence? Even if you think that your explanations are more plausible than simple incompetence, can you fault people for just commenting on what they see with their own eyes?

No offense taken, I was the one who wrote them and not you. It's one thing to speculate and it's another thing to act like a supposed expert and in general just sound condescending when people are just doing their job. As for grappling etc. I agree, it's something which should be included within their self-defense training if it isn't already.

[video=youtube;9bOQitInC84]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bOQitInC84[/video] "[I]We're police![/I] We're not trained to deal with this kind of [I]violence![/I]"

the americans here then goes to the next police brutality thread and discuss how the five o hates black people. typical