Gypsıes pıssıng around (literally) in Norwegian streets - General

[QUOTE=ionuttzu;43720303]And this shows that you have no clue whatsoever about gypsies. Learn more about their isolationist and backwards traditions, then talk.[/QUOTE] oh so their traditions makes it alright to be racist against them? is american racism towards arabs justified because of arabic traditions concerning the treatment of women? is racism against italians justified for their traditions which some would consider quite backwards? you know, jews have quite a few odd, backwards & frankly isolationist traditions, can we be racist towards them now?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43720327]oh so their traditions makes it alright to be racist against them? is american racism towards arabs justified because of arabic traditions concerning the treatment of women? is racism against italians justified for their traditions which some would consider quite backwards? you know, jews have quite a few odd, backwards & frankly isolationist traditions, can we be racist towards them now?[/QUOTE] Oh for fuck's sake, there's no point to this argument. I'm done. It'll just go on forever to you always comparing it with other religions, ethnicities or races.

[QUOTE=ionuttzu;43720336]Oh for fuck's sake, there's no point to this argument. I'm done. It'll just go on forever to you always comparing it with other religions, ethnicities or races.[/QUOTE] flee

uh was posting this video seriously worth a permaban?

hey Lachz0r - personally I don't think hitler finished the job. what are your thoughts?

[QUOTE=ionuttzu;43720336]Oh for fuck's sake, there's no point to this argument. I'm done. It'll just go on forever to you always comparing it with other religions, ethnicities or races.[/QUOTE] the point is they ARE just like other ethnicities or races, they're just people like you or me, and to judge them based on their race or cultural background is wrong [editline]30th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Grenadiac;43720581]uh was posting this video seriously worth a permaban?[/QUOTE] no but all his other posts certainly are

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43720327]you know, jews have quite a few odd, backwards & frankly isolationist traditions, can we be racist towards them now?[/QUOTE] Yes, but only if the majority of sheltered nerds on a Garrys Mod forum agree

[QUOTE=PopLot;43720609]hey Lachz0r - personally I don't think hitler finished the job. what are your thoughts?[/QUOTE] wow you're hilarious. do you celebrate anzac day? because you're shitting on all of them when you say crap like that too. even though i know you're just trying to be funny (it's failing)

My best friend is Jewish and from his mouth i have heard "Hitler was right to attack the gypsies" To be 100% honest gypsies are the worst kind of human beings to exist. I used to work at a movie theatre where they come in have sex in the theatres and all sorts of nasty shit. A little child couldn't be more than 8 years old asked me to give her starbursts and she only had a dollar. I said she didn't have enough and told me to fuck off and give her the candy. Yeah terrible people [QUOTE=Lachz0r;43720647]the point is they ARE just like other ethnicities or races, they're just people like you or me, and to judge them based on their race or cultural background is wrong[/quote] I judge them because they're assholes

What the fuck are you guys doing?

[QUOTE=Strikelol;43720678]I used to work at a movie theatre where they come in have sex in the theatres and all sorts of nasty shit.[/QUOTE] Plenty of white American teenagers who do the same thing [QUOTE=OrDnAs;43720682]What the fuck are you guys doing?[/QUOTE] Having one of our union mandated racism/gypsy arguments [editline]29th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;43720068]gotta love it when people think not being a racist shitlord is a bad thing[/QUOTE] Please stop oppressing my racism you dirty SJW

[QUOTE=Strikelol;43720678]My best friend is Jewish and from his mouth i have heard "Hitler was right to attack the gypsies" To be 100% honest gypsies are the worst kind of human beings to exist. I used to work at a movie theatre where they come in have sex in the theatres and all sorts of nasty shit. A little child couldn't be more than 8 years old asked me to give her starbursts and she only had a dollar. I said she didn't have enough and told me to fuck off and give her the candy. Yeah terrible people I judge them because they're assholes[/QUOTE] racism is when you apply the experiences with a small group of a race or ethnicity, and apply those beliefs to the entirety of the race/ethnicity whatever way you spin it, using your personal interactions with an isolated group and applying it to an entire culture is racism its no different than me saying "these muslims in my town are rude and awful, so all muslims must be rude and awful; it's simply part of their culture!" where you replace muslim with jews/gypsies/christians/mexicans or whatever group you want to attack also i know tons of people who are greedy and have sex in theatres, and they are wealthy white people

[QUOTE=Strikelol;43720678]My best friend is Jewish and from his mouth i have heard "Hitler was right to attack the gypsies" To be 100% honest gypsies are the worst kind of human beings to exist. I used to work at a movie theatre where they come in have sex in the theatres and all sorts of nasty shit. A little child couldn't be more than 8 years old asked me to give her starbursts and she only had a dollar. I said she didn't have enough and told me to fuck off and give her the candy. Yeah terrible people I judge them because they're assholes[/QUOTE] Why are you judging an entire ethnic group based on the behaviour of 2 asshats that don't represent romani as a whole?

Maybe it's just because I'm an American and don't get exposed to gypsies, but from an outsider's point of view, all of this seems very prejudiced.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43720697]Plenty of white American teenagers who do the same thing Having one of our union mandated racism/gypsy arguments [editline]29th January 2014[/editline] Please stop oppressing my racism you dirty SJW[/QUOTE] People who've met gypsies versus people who haven't.

[QUOTE=Splash Attack;43720751]Maybe it's just because I'm an American and don't get exposed to gypsies, but from an outsider's point of view, all of this seems very prejudiced.[/QUOTE] It is. Its hard to see how racist you are when you're used to being surrounded by similar minded people, and certain situations that perpetuate your racism. Even if some gypsies, or a majority of them, were asshats, you cannot imply the entire race is scum. The same argument is/was used against blacks and jews and asians constantly here in the states, and nobody thought they were racist until foreign influence spread and helped us change that perception. [editline]29th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Appellation;43720769]People who've met gypsies versus people who haven't.[/QUOTE] People who've met blacks versus people who haven't. People who've met muslims versus people who haven't. People who've met jews versus people who haven't. how is replacing any of these terms with "gypsy" less racist? if you answer "they're culture is inherently evil/lazy/stupid/bad" you're [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims] using literally the same argument used against blacks and muslims constantly.[/url]

[QUOTE=Splash Attack;43720751]Maybe it's just because I'm an American and don't get exposed to gypsies, but from an outsider's point of view, all of this seems very prejudiced.[/QUOTE] I've met plenty of black people, and they're people, although some of them have a slightly different culture, I find no great faults with it.

[QUOTE=Appellation;43720769]People who've met gypsies versus people who haven't.[/QUOTE] "Anybody who doesn't hate blacks obviously hasn't met one... What, no, I'm not racist, why would you ask that?" [editline]29th January 2014[/editline] f u lori [editline]29th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Loriborn;43720779]how is replacing any of these terms with "gypsy" less racist?[/QUOTE] Because it's okay to hate Roma on Facepunch

[QUOTE=Loriborn;43720779]It is. Its hard to see how racist you are when you're used to being surrounded by similar minded people, and certain situations that perpetuate your racism. Even if some gypsies, or a majority of them, were asshats, you cannot imply the entire race is scum. The same argument is/was used against blacks and jews and asians constantly here in the states, and nobody thought they were racist until foreign influence spread and helped us change that perception. [editline]29th January 2014[/editline] People who've met blacks versus people who haven't. People who've met muslims versus people who haven't. People who've met jews versus people who haven't. how is replacing any of these terms with "gypsy" less racist?[/QUOTE] Because it's reversed. Do we have any face punchers who've spent a lot of time with cultural gypsies who like them?

[QUOTE=Strikelol;43720678]My best friend is Jewish and from his mouth i have heard "Hitler was right to attack the gypsies" To be 100% honest gypsies are the worst kind of human beings to exist. I used to work at a movie theatre where they come in have sex in the theatres and all sorts of nasty shit. A little child couldn't be more than 8 years old asked me to give her starbursts and she only had a dollar. I said she didn't have enough and told me to fuck off and give her the candy. Yeah terrible people I judge them because they're assholes[/QUOTE] i wonder if you feel the middle easts attitude towards americans is justified?

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43720800]"Anybody who doesn't hate blacks obviousl:downs:y hasn't met one... What, no, I'm not racist, why would you ask that?" [editline]29th January 2014[/editline] f u lori [editline]29th January 2014[/editline] Because it's okay to hate Roma on Facepunch[/QUOTE] I grew up with kids from Cabrini green, but oh of course, I've never met a black person :downs:

[QUOTE=Appellation;43720798]I've met plenty of black people, and they're people, although some of them have a slightly different culture, I find no great faults with it.[/QUOTE] do you not understand how fucking racist you are not all blacks [b]share the same culture and personal identity[/b] humans are individuals, and as such, are all different, regardless of ethnicity and religion and beliefs what do you not understand about this? not all muslims are the same, nor do they all believe in the same things; the same applies to roma, jews, blacks, whites, and literally every denomination, ethnicity, race, nationality, and culture. if you apply one set of rules or attributes to an entire race you're racist and/or a bigot. period. [editline]29th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Appellation;43720844]I grew up with kids from Cabrini green, but oh of course, I've never met a black person :downs:[/QUOTE] because all black people are exactly the same and all share the same beliefs and identity right? just like all whites share the exact same beliefs and act exactly the same

[QUOTE=Loriborn;43720848]do you not understand how fucking racist you are not all blacks [b]share the same culture and personal identity[/b] humans are individuals, and as such, are all different, regardless of ethnicity and religion and beliefs what do you not understand about this? not all muslims are the same, nor do they all believe in the same things; the same applies to roma, jews, blacks, whites, and literally every denomination, ethnicity, race, nationality, and culture. if you apply one set of rules or attributes to an entire race you're racist and/or a bigot. period.[/QUOTE] You do not understand how much you're twisting my words. I grew up with black people with white and ghetto Chicago culture, but of course I know that there are more cultures than that, and that every person is different. But the traditional gypsy culture is a very different thing. [editline]29th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Loriborn;43720848]do you not understand how fucking racist you are not all blacks [b]share the same culture and personal identity[/b] humans are individuals, and as such, are all different, regardless of ethnicity and religion and beliefs what do you not understand about this? not all muslims are the same, nor do they all believe in the same things; the same applies to roma, jews, blacks, whites, and literally every denomination, ethnicity, race, nationality, and culture. if you apply one set of rules or attributes to an entire race you're racist and/or a bigot. period. [editline]29th January 2014[/editline] because all black people are exactly the same and all share the same beliefs and identity right? just like all whites share the exact same beliefs and act exactly the same[/QUOTE] Why not just edit my quotes? It'll make twisting my words to fit your strawman preconceptions that much easier.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43720327]oh so their traditions makes it alright to be racist against them?[/quote] Well, let's review: their traditions consist of child marriage and bride kidnapping, willfully living as wandering vagabonds in depressed squatter communities with an earned reputation for thieving and behaving like violent pieces of shit who refuse to even so much as attempt to assimilate in any way with the majority societies they choose to occupy alongside... Yeah actually, with just all that in mind, it's totally fine to be prejudiced against these traditions and any person(s) who practice them. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;43720327]is american racism towards arabs justified because of arabic traditions concerning the treatment of women?[/quote] I mean I can't speak for you, but I was brought up to believe that it's wrong to treat women like they're pieces of property and at best second class citizens who must submit to the will of men just because they're women, as many theocratic/fundamentalist Islamic societies do (including Saudi Arabia). Stoning women to death for committing adultery? Yeah, that's wrong. For sexual misconduct and sorcery? Again, very wrong. So yeah, gonna have to say it's totally fine to be prejudiced against such assbackwards traditions and the idiots who genuinely believe in them and practice them. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;43720327]is racism against italians justified for their traditions which some would consider quite backwards?[/quote] What traditions are we talking about here? Trivial ones or major ones (like the ones listed above)? [QUOTE=Lachz0r;43720327]you know, jews have quite a few odd, backwards & frankly isolationist traditions, can we be racist towards them now?[/QUOTE] Again, what traditions are we talking about here? Mutilating the genitals of children because of ridiculous religious ideals, or treating animals with decency and respect out of religious traditions because you're going to kill and eat them for sustenance, or... what? [editline]30 January 2014[/editline] Your excessive tolerance for such backwards cultural traditions and religious beliefs is neither intelligent nor is it admirable. It's just fucking stupid. And what's so hilarious is that people like you with such excessive tolerance are enabling people who are excessively intolerant and hold backwards ideas to continue behaving like the savages they are. And you don't even seem to realize this. Oh wow.

[QUOTE=Appellation;43720878]You do not understand how much you're twisting my words. I grew up with black people with white and ghetto Chicago culture, but of course I know that there are more cultures than that, and that every person is different. But the traditional gypsy culture is a very different thing.[/QUOTE] And what do you know of the "traditional gypsy culture" as someone who lives in the "Chicago ghetto?" First of all, I could apply the same argument to any ethnicity or race; "traditional black culture is a very different thing," is just as racist and just as uninformed. Similarly, why do you assume all Roma follow this "gypsy culture" exactly the way that all other Roma do? Because they're Roma, are they suddenly more likely to be jerks and selfish? Traditional christian and islamic culture is also very violent and hateful and just generally really awful, but modern day Christians and Muslims all follow their beliefs in a varied and different way. Assuming that all of any subculture are going to behave equally is a radical assumption that oozes racism and prejudice, and I highly doubt you have the personal experience to label all 14 million Roma people as awful people. For such a high number of these individuals, cases of them being awful are pretty isolated and small in scale. Liberal estimates of Roma peoples in the U.S. are less than a million, though you have the audacity to claim your experiences with the Roma people (in the small Chicago suburb you live in) are enough to label all 14 million of these people as awful? And if you haven't actually interacted with gypsies, what are you hating them for? The sensationalist news you've read or the institutionalized racism that some European FP'ers perpetuate? Because any reading you do on traditional "gypsy culture" is no more hateful and awful than if you read the Koran or Bible without taking into consideration how the followers act and change in a modern society where people are individuals who do not follow the ideologies of their "culture" exactly and to the dot. Hell, most Roma in the U.S. have assimilated into society and are now normal people, but of course, they are "gypsies," so they must be heathens right?

[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;43720912]Well, let's review: their traditions consist of child marriage and bride kidnapping, willfully living as wandering vagabonds in depressed squatter communities with an earned reputation for thieving and behaving like violent pieces of shit who refuse to even so much as attempt to assimilate in any way with the majority societies they choose to occupy alongside... Yeah actually, with just all that in mind, it's totally fine to be prejudiced against these traditions and any person(s) who practice them. I mean I can't speak for you, but I was brought up to believe that it's wrong to treat women like they're pieces of property and at best second class citizens who must submit to the will of men just because they're women, as many theocratic/fundamentalist Islamic societies do (including Saudi Arabia). Stoning women to death for committing adultery? Yeah, that's wrong. For sexual misconduct and sorcery? Again, very wrong. So yeah, gonna have to say it's totally fine to be prejudiced against such assbackwards traditions and the idiots who genuinely believe in them and practice them. What traditions are we talking about here? Trivial ones or major ones (like the ones listed above)? Again, what traditions are we talking about here? Mutilating the genitals of children because of ridiculous religious ideals, or treating animals with decency and respect out of religious traditions because you're going to kill and eat them for sustenance, or... what? [editline]30 January 2014[/editline] Your excessive tolerance for such backwards cultural traditions and religious beliefs is neither intelligent nor is it admirable. It's just fucking stupid. And what's so hilarious is that people like you with such excessive tolerance are enabling people who are excessively intolerant and hold backwards ideas to continue behaving like the savages they are. And you don't even seem to realize this. Oh wow.[/QUOTE] so it's fine to be bigoted towards an entire race over cultural traditions? i'm actually against many of those traditions (if not all) that you said, but that's no justification for racism [editline]30th January 2014[/editline] when you say 'gypsy' you're not just having a go at people that believe in cultural traditions like child marriage, you're having a go at every rom person. are you one of those people that say 'oh i don't hate black people, i just hate niggers, there's a difference!'

[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;43720912]Well, let's review: their traditions consist of child marriage and bride kidnapping, willfully living as wandering vagabonds in depressed squatter communities with an earned reputation for thieving and behaving like violent pieces of shit who refuse to even so much as attempt to assimilate in any way with the majority societies they choose to occupy alongside... Yeah actually, with just all that in mind, it's totally fine to be prejudiced against these traditions and any person(s) who practice them.[/QUOTE] And the Islamic faith condones wife beating, the marriage of female minors to adults, and slavery, but all Muslims are awful right? [quote]I mean I can't speak for you, but I was brought up to believe that it's wrong to treat women like they're pieces of property and at best second class citizens who must submit to the will of men just because they're women, as many theocratic/fundamentalist Islamic societies do (including Saudi Arabia).[/quote] Christianity is just as sexist as the Islamic faith is, same with Judaism. They are all incredibly sexist and demeaning towards women, but of course your preconceived notions of the Islamic faith means you instantly believe that all Muslims are sexist pigs. This is not the case. Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses are groups of the Christian faith who are far more sexist than the Koran is. [quote]Stoning women to death for committing adultery? Yeah, that's wrong. For sexual misconduct and sorcery? Again, very wrong.[/quote] It says that in the Bible. Does anyone actually stone women for adultery in the civilized world? Christians, Muslims, Jews? The peoples who all believe in the Old Testament which makes this statement? No, because people are individuals and are not defined by their religion. Not even going to continue this because you should understand my point. [editline]29th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;43720912]Your excessive tolerance for such backwards cultural traditions and religious beliefs is neither intelligent nor is it admirable. It's just fucking stupid. And what's so hilarious is that people like you with such excessive tolerance are enabling people who are excessively intolerant and hold backwards ideas to continue behaving like the savages they are. And you don't even seem to realize this. Oh wow.[/QUOTE] Your ignorance about these beliefs is astounding and frightening. You seem to judge the Islamic faith on the recent events in the Middle East, but even a few minutes of research into the history of the religion, or the actual Koran, explains that the religion is no more "barbaric" or "sexist" than any other religion. The way people have interpreted and used this religion to justify their prejudiced agendas does not mean all peoples of the faith are awful.

like i said earlier, would i be justified in thinking all indian's are creeps who want to harass new zealander women because indian culture treats women differently, and an indian once followed one of my female friends home?

[QUOTE=Loriborn;43720950]And what do you know of the "traditional gypsy culture" as someone who lives in the "Chicago ghetto?" First of all, I could apply the same argument to any ethnicity or race; "traditional black culture is a very different thing," is just as racist and just as uninformed. Similarly, why do you assume all Roma follow this "gypsy culture" exactly the way that all other Roma do? Because they're Roma, are they suddenly more likely to be jerks and selfish? Traditional christian and islamic culture is also very violent and hateful and just generally really awful, but modern day Christians and Muslims all follow their beliefs in a varied and different way. Assuming that all of any subculture are going to behave equally is a radical assumption that oozes racism and prejudice, and I highly doubt you have the personal experience to label all 14 million Roma people as awful people. For such a high number of these individuals, cases of them being awful are pretty isolated and small in scale. Liberal estimates of Roma peoples in the U.S. are less than a million, though you have the audacity to claim your experiences with the Roma people (in the small Chicago suburb you live in) are enough to label all 14 million of these people as awful? And if you haven't actually interacted with gypsies, what are you hating them for? The sensationalist news you've read or the institutionalized racism that some European FP'ers perpetuate? Because any reading you do on traditional "gypsy culture" is no more hateful and awful than if you read the Koran or Bible without taking into consideration how the followers act and change in a modern society where people are individuals who do not follow the ideologies of their "culture" exactly and to the dot. Hell, most Roma in the U.S. have assimilated into society and are now normal people, but of course, they are "gypsies," so they must be heathens right?[/QUOTE] Wow, or you could just form your own additions to my comments to add to. Fuck it. You win, I'm out of this conversation. Enjoy convincing yourself that you're right

It's weird, half my family are Travellers and I know some Romani (with horses and dogs and everything) through them and they're really some of the most chill and modest people and yet the only time they get noticed are through these awful reports and accounts and anecdotes, it really must be a blow for everyone else's reputation Though I'd be lying if I said there weren't seemingly rather prominent cliques of people with unconventional behaviour, of course this isn't part of their culture but it perplexes me how they think they can get away with some of the shit they do Of course you get this in any community/society but why it seems so prevalent among gypsies is the question