Gypsıes pıssıng around (literally) in Norwegian streets
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[QUOTE=Laputa;43721605]It's weird, half my family are Travellers and I know some Romani (with horses and dogs and everything) through them and they're really some of the most chill and modest people and yet the only time they get noticed are through these awful reports and accounts and anecdotes, it really must be a blow for everyone else's reputation
Though I'd be lying if I said there weren't seemingly rather prominent cliques of people with unconventional behaviour, of course this isn't part of their culture but it perplexes me how they think they can get away with some of the shit they do
Of course you get this in any community/society but why it seems so prevalent among gypsies is the question[/QUOTE]
videos like the one in the OP are the equivalent of spending a couple days in a trailer park filming people doing stupid/gross things and then saying "white people lol"
it's not representative of anything, it's just for racists to justify their hate
I'm Romanian. Gypsies are almost defined as people you never associate yourself with as a Romanian. My mother constantly got bullied by them because her way to school passed by some of them.
For the love of god please know Romanians =/= Gypsies, I feel like shit every time this thought process is considered normal. If I'm being compared to that just because some idiot groups everyone by race then fuck you.
if you feel bad for them stop calling them that, it's rom or romani, gypsy is a racial slur
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43721663]videos like the one in the OP are the equivalent of spending a couple days in a trailer park filming people doing stupid/gross things and then saying "white people lol"
it's not representative of anything, it's just for racists to justify their hate[/QUOTE]
Exactly, it's just creeping around waiting for something to happen, so someone did something wrong, well so fucking what, happens everywhere
Actually I don't know who's weirder, the people pissing on the street or the guy filming it
[QUOTE=Primigenes;43721758]Oh thanks, I never knew that[/QUOTE]
yeah i wasn't aware of that for ages either considering how calling them gypsies is like, the norm almost everywhere. which just goes to show how ingrown racism against rom is
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43721787]yeah i wasn't aware of that for ages either considering how calling them gypsies is like, the norm almost everywhere. which just goes to show how ingrown racism against rom is[/QUOTE]
actually as far as i know gypsy isnt really a "racial slur"
its an encompassing term for the Roma, travelers groups and other groups that live a nomadic lifestyle, and while it is used as a negative word sometimes, that doesnt make it a racial slur
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;43721879]actually as far as i know gypsy isnt really a "racial slur"
its an encompassing term for the Roma, travelers groups and other groups that live a nomadic lifestyle, and while it is used as a negative word sometimes, that doesnt make it a racial slur[/QUOTE]
it's used overwhelmingly as a negative word
[QUOTE=kurva;43719992]I can't be racist, I'm an underprivileged non-cis citizen.[/QUOTE]
hey look, another facepuncher who can't understand the concept of "privilege."
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;43721879]actually as far as i know gypsy isnt really a "racial slur"
its an encompassing term for the Roma, travelers groups and other groups that live a nomadic lifestyle, and while it is used as a negative word sometimes, that doesnt make it a racial slur[/QUOTE]
i feel that it's negative connotations are far more prevalent than any others
[QUOTE=TheHydra;43722184]it's used overwhelmingly as a negative word[/QUOTE]
pretty much this, it's on par with nigger or spic or something similar. i've [I]never[/I] seen gypsy used in a positive way. like, ever. it's always "those damn thieving gypsies!"
[editline]29th January 2014[/editline]
like, "nigger" can be used in a "not racist" way, like when two people casually call each other it, but that doesn't mean it's [I]not[/I] a racial slur.
yeah and not only that it used to just be the 'encompassing term' for blacks
[QUOTE=TheHydra;43722184]it's used overwhelmingly as a negative word[/QUOTE]
Kind of yeah, and not without a reason. Because when [b]certain group[/b] of people of certain ethnic origin try live by their tradition in a society that doesn't really want that kind of stuff happening around them, there's gonna be negativity, and a lot of it. When Roma people assimilate and abide the cultural background they're living in, no one's gonna call them "gypsy". The term shifted towards certain chosen groups of Roma people a long time ago. The secondary meaning of this term is used to describe "person who chose nomadic lifestile".
So yeah, most of the time when people say "gypsy", they don't actually mean Romani folks. They mean specific groups of them.
honestly i can't see how anybody can [I]universally[/I] hate gypsies. like, with all this crazy "THEM" bullshit that's going on.
i mean, seriously, how can you say that EVERY gypsy is a piece of shit with a clear conscious?
[editline]29th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=gudman;43722323]Kind of yeah, and not without a reason. Because when [b]certain group[/b] of people of certain ethnic origin try live by their tradition in a society that doesn't really want that kind of stuff happening around them, there's gonna be negativity, and a lot of it. When Roma people assimilate and abide the cultural background they're living in, no one's gonna call them "gypsy". The term shifted towards certain chosen groups of Roma people a long time ago. The secondary meaning of this term is used to describe "person who chose nomadic lifestile".
So yeah, most of the time when people say "gypsy", they don't actually mean Romani folks. They mean specific groups of them.[/QUOTE]
if they mean [I]a specific group of dumbasses that just so happen to be romani[/I] then why can't they say that instead of using a racial slur? like, when i see a video of some black dude beating up somebody i don't immediately think "wow, what a nigger/negro/whatever," I think "wow, what an asshole." why? because using racial slurs is stupid as hell.
[QUOTE=gudman;43722323]Kind of yeah, and not without a reason. Because when [b]certain group[/b] of people of certain ethnic origin try live by their tradition in a society that doesn't really want that kind of stuff happening around them, there's gonna be negativity, and a lot of it. When Roma people assimilate and abide the cultural background they're living in, no one's gonna call them "gypsy". The term shifted towards certain chosen groups of Roma people a long time ago. The secondary meaning of this term is used to describe "person who chose nomadic lifestile".
So yeah, most of the time when people say "gypsy", they don't actually mean Romani folks. They mean specific groups of them.[/QUOTE]
so we're back to the 'i don't hate black people, i hate niggers! there's a difference!' logic?
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43722325]
if they mean [I]a specific group of dumbasses that just so happen to be romani[/I] then why can't they say that instead of using a racial slur? like, when i see a video of some black dude beating up somebody i don't immediately think "wow, what a nigger/negro/whatever," I think "wow, what an asshole." why? because using racial slurs is stupid as hell.[/QUOTE]
Because they're people who behave quite unlike the rest of people around? And they have a specific origin? And there're a lot of things that separate them? The term itself is used now only to describe such groups. There was a discussion once about the word "thug" (or something of that sort), that is used to be racial slur, but now shifted its meaning. I don't see why the same can't ever happen to the word "gypsy". Yeah, it was once used as a negative towards all Romani folks. Now no one ever calls a person of Romani origin a "gypsy" if he abides the social rules and standards.
[editline]30th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43722378]so we're back to the 'i don't hate black people, i hate niggers! there's a difference!' logic?[/QUOTE]
I don't see how anything of what I said can be translated to that. Nigger =/= gypsy, because nigger refers to color of the skin, and only that, while gypsy refers to both ethnicity and lifestile choice, mostly the lifestile. Which is frowned upon.
except that is just bullshit justification, and it's translated to that because that's another bullshit justification used against a different group. they claim that being a 'nigger' is different to being black, it's a lifestyle choice
All I see is a bunch of homeless people doing what homeless people do tbh
I'm ignorant when it comes to minorities in EU, specifically in Norway, but if nobody told me they're from a certain ethnicity I'd still think it's a bunch of random homeless people
Also say what you will about the definition of Gypsy but the OP is clearly of xenophobic nature.
There's two homeless people taking a leak in a remote area; Where are you expecting them to do it? At home?
The rest of the video is just people doing things, and I doubt some of them belong to the same ethnic group.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43722426]except that is just bullshit justification, and it's translated to that because that's another bullshit justification used against a different group. they claim that being a 'nigger' is different to being black, it's a lifestyle choice[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but in fact "nigger" refers to just being black. Always did. Unlike "gypsy", which [b]always[/b] refered to lifestyle and it became an ethnic/racial slur for the sole reason that Romani are the only ethnicity associated with that lifestyle in European countries. I repeat, no one ever calls a person a "gypsy" if they don't engage in that kind of tradition, regardless of their origin. Undeniably, there're people who just don't like all Romani folks and use "gypsy" as a name for all of the ethnic group, but they're a minority.
[QUOTE=AkujiTheSniper;43721692]
For the love of god please know Romanians =/= Gypsies, I feel like shit every time this thought process is considered normal. If I'm being compared to that just because some idiot groups everyone by race then fuck you.[/QUOTE]
Heh, that's why I can't take that ionnatzu whatever his name is guy serious. Seeing the Romanian flag just makes me think it's a dirty child kidnapping gypsy behind screen. I'm probably right too, since I haven't really seen a single "normal" Romanian in Sweden. The Swedish word "Romer" literally means gypsies.
I'm not being racist or anything by the way! It's true, I saw this on some videos on Youtube.
[editline]30th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;43720303]And this shows that you have no clue whatsoever about gypsies.
Learn more about their isolationist and backwards traditions, then talk.
Give me an example of someone having a good encounter with gypsies and not being from some documentary or news report that's complaining about racism. I'll wait.[/QUOTE]
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I once saw an asian woman in the mall, pull down her pants down, open a bottle of wrinkle cream and rub it on her frick frack. When the mall guard finally showed up and asked her why, all she had to say was "I wanted to see if it worked".
I think she was an immigrant, due to her strong accent. That's p. much the worst I've seen; no poopin' or peein'.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43721020]like i said earlier, would i be justified in thinking all indian's are creeps who want to harass new zealander women because indian culture treats women differently, and an indian once followed one of my female friends home?[/QUOTE]
Funny that on one of the first times my brother and his friends went to London or Luton, one of them had their phone stolen by a black person.
Say or think what you want about black people, that one certainly was a bastard.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43722294]pretty much this, it's on par with nigger or spic or something similar. i've [I]never[/I] seen gypsy used in a positive way. like, ever. it's always "those damn thieving gypsies!"
[editline]29th January 2014[/editline]
like, "nigger" can be used in a "not racist" way, like when two people casually call each other it, but that doesn't mean it's [I]not[/I] a racial slur.[/QUOTE]
no its really not lol and this is coming with someone whos grandmother was a gypsy
its more on par with saying "those damn blacks"
I know facepunch is not the place for scientific talks but anyway;
I found it interesting how the guy taking a leak took a pause and pulled his trousers up when the car passed by. I guess he cares what other people think about him and that he feels shame and remorse too.
Maybe he's just had a tough life,spending most of your time in a shitty enviroment, with poor uneducated parents would make any man from any race act simmilarly.Having no contact with the outside world through internet,tv,school,workplace,interractions with other,non-romanis(because they renounce you for being a gipsy) could make you alienated towards anyone else but your romani family and friends...
Still, that's not an excuse for why he doesn't get his priorities straight.
You can't compare the dislike/hatred of gypsies with racism towards black people. When people hate gypsies they hate the culture/lifestyle and don't give a shit about their ethnicity (which is why I'm saying gypsy here and not Romani). These people can just as well be white European travellers and the attitude towards them is be the same.
I won't argue whether or not this attitude is justified though (but this video sure doesn't justify anything).
Why are we debatting this? Social Justice Warriors on the Internet trying to force their views on people with different views because theirs are superior.
Hypocrites.
Just because there was a lot of racism in the past(and to some extend still is) doesn't mean by saying "I dont like Gypsies" you are automatically a major Nazi. It's a simple logical conclusion for people that see shit like this everyday and get harassed by Gypsies, all the people defending them probably never had to deal with them and if you did deal with them and you think it's aye'okay that's fine for you but some people probably dont WANT to deal with this kind of shit everyday so they have a right to hate/dislike.
The "we have to tolerate and love everybody no matter what X does" thinking, especially when it comes to race or sexuality is pissing me off.
What sparked this shit? Why can't I have a different opinion than you shiny White Knights? As long as I dont hurt anybody, goddamnit just let these people be. By forcing your views on them you are essentially the people you hate so much, you are just standing on the other side of the argument.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43720953]so it's fine to be bigoted towards an entire race over cultural traditions?[/quote]
It's fine to be bigoted towards an entire culture over it's cultural traditions when those cultural traditions are abhorrent and have no place in the civilized world, yeah.
"Race" doesn't just refer to the physical attributes of people, like what their skin color is, what unique anatomical features they have, etc., although everyone apparently seems to believe this (for whatever fucking stupid reason). It also refers to their religious beliefs, political beliefs, linguistics, social characteristics, and so on.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43720953]i'm actually against many of those traditions (if not all) that you said, but that's no justification for racism[/quote]
It's justification for bigotry. Bigotry against their traditions and their culture. Nothing more, nothing less. I couldn't give less of a shit what you look like as far as racism goes, but as far as it's concerned with religion, politics, and social strata (all of which are critical elements in how humans behave), then yeah, if you behave like a savage and believe in savage ideals, I'm going to be bigoted against you. Anyone with any sense of what's right and what's wrong would be bigoted against you.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43720953]when you say 'gypsy' you're not just having a go at people that believe in cultural traditions like child marriage, you're having a go at every rom person.[/quote]
"Gypsy" when it was first coined always referred to the ones in the Romani ethnic group who lived that classical vagabond lifestyle (as in the same ones who practice child marriage, bride kidnapping, move from place to place and have a reputation for thievery and violence against random people for no reason, etc.). It's still reserved for this meaning, although now it doesn't just refer to people in the Romani ethnic group who live this way, it can also be used to refer to other people anywhere in the world who willingly engage in that kind of lifestyle.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43720953]are you one of those people that say 'oh i don't hate black people, i just hate niggers, there's a difference!'[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;43720999]And the Islamic faith condones wife beating, the marriage of female minors to adults, and slavery, but all Muslims are awful right?[/quote]
All Muslims who believe in and practice wife beating, child marriage, and slavery are awful. The faith itself is awful for even condoning such things in the first place.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;43720999]Christianity is just as sexist as the Islamic faith is, same with Judaism. They are all incredibly sexist and demeaning towards women,[/quote]
Indeed they are. One of my favorite passages on the subject is from Deuteronomy; if a woman lies about being a virgin when she's married as a virgin then she'll be stoned to death, and if she has sex with another man while she's engaged to a man, she and the other man will both be stoned to death.
Hence why I find both faiths (Christianity and Judaism, that is) as awful as Islam is. For what good and progressive points they have, there's no shortage of ones that are just completely fucking backwards.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;43720999]but of course your preconceived notions of the Islamic faith means you instantly believe that all Muslims are sexist pigs.[/quote]
I have no preconceived notions about Islam or Muslims.
As far as the faith itself is concerned, it's very clear: like you said, it honestly does condone such abhorrent things as child marriage, slavery, and wife beating.
Some Muslims honestly believe in these terrible traditions and do practice them for the sake of their religion, a lot of others don't.
I have no problem with the ones who don't, they're intelligent and moral enough human beings who clearly possess enough common sense to understand that these things have no place in modern society. They're not being fundamentalists now, true to their religion and what it condones, but the fact they aren't living up to even the most disgusting standards of their faith doesn't bother me. It's good that they aren't.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;43720999]This is not the case. Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses are groups of the Christian faith who are far more sexist than the Koran is.[/quote]
But they're all still sexist. Sexism is sexism. The fact that sexism in all three cases is even so much as condoned in the first place purely for religious reasons as well is absolutely ridiculous and abhorrent.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;43720999]It says that in the Bible.[/quote]
You seem to think I'm a Christian or something, hence why you're trying to draw all these parallels between how terrible it is along with Judaism and Islam (FYI, I agree). So let me just go on ahead and point this out right now, even though I'm hours late responding back to your post: I'm not a Christian. I have never been a Christian, I have never even considered converting to Christianity. My involvement with practicing Christianity extends to nothing more than being baptized as a Catholic. That's it.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;43720999]Does anyone actually stone women for adultery in the civilized world? Christians, Muslims, Jews? The peoples who all believe in the Old Testament which makes this statement?[/quote]
Some societies do. Saudi Arabia, the example he specifically brought up, is a very substantial nation that does and cannot be ignored just because people choose to cherrypick and think of it as this completely irrelevant place in the world (despite the fact it's not irrelevant). I wouldn't expect hardly anyone in the "civilized world" to live as wandering vagabonds who practice child marriage, bride kidnapping, and random acts of violence and thievery against people, and yet here before us in Europe exist the gypsies who prove that they do.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;43720999]No, because people are individuals and are not defined by their religion. Not even going to continue this because you should understand my point.[/quote]
It goes both ways actually. People define their religion as much as their religion defines them. What you believe in and what you practice says as much about you as an individual as it does about your entire faith. This isn't just true of religion, it's also true of politics.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;43720999]Your ignorance about these beliefs is astounding and frightening. You seem to judge the Islamic faith on the recent events in the Middle East, but even a few minutes of research into the history of the religion, or the actual Koran, explains that the religion is no more "barbaric" or "sexist" than any other religion.[/quote]
Why do you have such difficulty in grasping this simple concept? The fact that it might be no more barbaric or sexist, or even slightly less barbaric and sexist, means nothing; it is still barbaric and sexist. Any religion whether it be Islam, Judaism, or Christianity that condones practices like child marriage, wife beating and domestic violence, slavery, religiously-motivated murder is barbaric, sexist, totally abhorrent, and should be marked as a target for righteous bigotry. Barbarism is barbarism, pure and simple, and it should be eradicated.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;43720999]The way people have interpreted and used this religion to justify their prejudiced agendas does not mean all peoples of the faith are awful.[/QUOTE]
Like I said earlier, as far as these faiths are concerned, they're all very clear about what they condone. Like you said, they all do condone disgusting things, whether it be child marriage, slavery, domestic violence and treating women like property, religiously-incited murder and torture, etc.
A religious faith that condones any of these things is an awful faith. Totally abhorrent. Any sensible person would be bigoted against these faiths and their ridiculous practices.
Any person(s) who honestly practice these faiths will be living as a fundamentalist; they will practice what their religion condones be it child marriage, wife beating and domestic violence, etc. without any hesitation.
The ones who don't practice these things I could not care less about. They're not fulfilling their religious obligations and aren't being true to what their religions teach, but that's their problem insofar as salvation, paradise, whatever are concerned. It's a good thing they're not living like fundamentalists.
Awful people are awful people. Awful beliefs are awful beliefs. If you actively encourage the kinds of awful beliefs we've discussed, then as far as I'm concerned, you're an awful person who has equally awful beliefs, and both you and your beliefs deserve to be treated with unrestricted bigotry and intolerance, because tolerance is not the way to go about combating such savage behavior and ideas. Don't defend awful people, don't defend their awful beliefs.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43722325]honestly i can't see how anybody can [I]universally[/I] hate gypsies. like, with all this crazy "THEM" bullshit that's going on.
i mean, seriously, how can you say that EVERY gypsy is a piece of shit with a clear conscious?
[editline]29th January 2014[/editline]
if they mean [I]a specific group of dumbasses that just so happen to be romani[/I] then why can't they say that instead of using a racial slur? like, when i see a video of some black dude beating up somebody i don't immediately think "wow, what a nigger/negro/whatever," I think "wow, what an asshole." why? because using racial slurs is stupid as hell.[/QUOTE]
fucking lol at white american teenagers thinking they have any discussion context for the term gypsy
like what is it with the sjw movement and talking about things you know nothing about it's fascinating tbh
why was op permabanned for such a low level offense
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