Transilience - The video of a 6 foot 6, 350 Pound, Non Passing, Queer ,Feminist, economically challe - General

[QUOTE=(~_^);41614589]Show me how it follows then.[/QUOTE] the picture pretty much explained it better than I ever could you claim to get it but obviously don't

[QUOTE=(~_^);41613887]it means that most trans people in the public eye are shameless degenerates[/QUOTE] i think someones drunk a little bit too much stupid juice.

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;41614594]Obviously for people who are actually hermaphrodites or there is some reason for having to be transgender, then that is one issue, however the video being discussed here seems like an entirely different issue (from what I have seen of it); it is someone wanting to be something else. I don't really expect them to live in accordance with anything; as long as they don't deceive people regarding their gender (i.e. enter into an intimate relationship without revealing their gender) then I honestly couldn't care less. But in terms of not wanting to fit in and then complaining when you don't fit in, I have a real hard time understanding it.[/QUOTE] It's really simple. Your mind has an ingrained gender identity. It's not all hormones. So you could be born feeling like a female, thinking you're a female, but you have a male's body. Obviously confusing, and frustrating. It's nothing about not wanting to fit in or being rebellious.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;41614600]the picture pretty much explained it better than I ever could you claim to get it but obviously don't[/QUOTE] No, the picture does not explain it. It states it. I want to see the specific arguments which demonstrate the isomorphism between nonstandard sexual orientations and nonstandard gender expression. [quote]Being someone who is male and ID's as a female is not much different of a situation of a male who's sexual orientation is for other males.[/quote] There is no a priori reason for this to be the case.

[QUOTE=Skelmech;41613462]using terms to describe your state of life at the moment is taking it too far ok i'll never tell anyone im poor again, great idea.[/QUOTE] It's not poor you bigot!!! It's Economically Challenged!!! Stop triggering me!!!

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;41614627]It's really simple. Your mind has an ingrained gender identity. It's not all hormones. So you could be born feeling like a female, thinking you're a female, but you have a male's body. Obviously confusing, and frustrating. It's nothing about not wanting to fit in or being rebellious.[/QUOTE] Ok. I googled her/his name and it turns out that they think the term 'female' is offensive. Not only that, the video shows the confederate flag as being indicative of ignorance/prejudice which is prejudicial in itself. What's with all the labels that they use too? It wasn't enough to just say "transgender"? Why even use "transgender" if you're actually identifying as a female, wouldn't you just saying female? What the fuck does "economically challenged" exactly mean? poor? Same goes for "non passing". Who cares about her weight or her height, how are these exactly landmark figures? It's like that stupid PAX panel they had about "white knights and trolls" and it was basically 4 chicks harping on about discrimination of girl gamers in various shitty bioware games while still using the term "girl gamers" to describe themselves. I'm really all for acceptance of other people, and not caring what happens between two consenting adults etc etc etc, but I don't get how there is some onus on everyone else to be accepting of someone that describes themselves using such ridiculous terms and makes it a point to "not fit in" by "not conforming" to what humans commonly expect males and females to look like. I'm not sure why the onus is on everyone else to listen to a [I]"6 foot 6, 350 Pound, Non Passing, Queer, Feminist, economically challenged, Transgender "Woman"[/I] complain about being called names, and plea to the wider world for 'openness'; why does anyone even need to call her names when she calls herself names? Perhaps the most alarming question I have is why someone pleading for openness from the world does so while prohibiting any comments on the video?

[QUOTE=(~_^);41614712] I want to see the specific arguments which demonstrate the isomorphism between nonstandard sexual orientations and nonstandard gender expression.[/QUOTE] all he meant was they are rooted in the brain are they not both rooted in the brain?

Oh yeah, here's an interesting link about how she/he likes to use false DMCA claims to shut down people's shit: [url]http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2013/03/11/transilience-joelle-ruby-ryan-university-of-new-hampshire-harassment-campaign-against-women-call-for-action/[/url]

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41613306]No he isn't. He's clearly saying that sex is the definition and that Gender identities practically don't exist. Gender Identity is wholly mental. What gender even entails is entirely a social construct.[/QUOTE] So what that gender identity is wholly mental? You can't choose it. You can't change it, not even on societal level. It's "I'm a male" or "I'm a female". Now what's feminine and masculine and what men and what women should be doing or be like is a social construct. However gender identity is not. If it was then transgender people wouldn't exist because they could just choose not to follow their gender identity the same way they can choose not to follow gender roles. There's sex, gender (identity) and gender roles.

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;41614806]What's with all the labels that they use too? It wasn't enough to just say "transgender"? Why even use "transgender" if you're actually identifying as a female, wouldn't you just saying female?[/QUOTE] There has been a recent spate of people championing victims of oppression as if they were worthy of praise for their lifestyle choices. The more oppressed you are, the more praise is heaped on you. It's getting harder and harder to be oppressed now due to people's general not giving a fuck, and so, these people feel the need to add on more oppressed terms to maximise the effect. A bit like items in an RPG giving you extra benefits, these people wear labels to get sympathy/attention from the fools who give it to them.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;41615160]So what that gender identity is wholly mental? You can't choose it. You can't change it, not even on societal level. It's "I'm a male" or "I'm a female". Now what's feminine and masculine and what men and what women should be doing or be like is a social construct. However gender identity is not. If it was then transgender people wouldn't exist because they could just choose not to follow their gender identity the same way they can choose not to follow gender roles. There's sex, gender (identity) and gender roles.[/QUOTE] I mean what gender identities entail. Not that you get to choose. Actually, if you were to read the post you would see that. [editline]27th July 2013[/editline] Also, that guy said you are born as either x or y (in relation to gender) and that can't change throughout the course of your life, which plainly is not true.

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41617015]I mean what gender identities entail. Not that you get to choose. Actually, if you were to read the post you would see that. [editline]27th July 2013[/editline] Also, that guy said you are born as either x or y (in relation to gender) and that can't change throughout the course of your life, which plainly is not true.[/QUOTE] What do gender identities entail according to you? And how does someone's gender change throughout the course of their life?

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;41617331]What do gender identities entail according to you? And how does someone's gender change throughout the course of their life?[/QUOTE] You know gender fluidity is a thing, right? Gender on its own has not been studied enough to be proven to be something that is in human nature. And by 'entails' I mean what it is to be x or y gender. Identifying as a man means you are expected to partake in men's roles. [editline]27th July 2013[/editline] Either way, gender identities/gender as a whole is pointless in society. It doesn't provide any benefit, yet creates more and more inequality every day because of gender roles. I see gender difference as a primary means of justifying sexual stratification. because if we don't see any difference we cannot justify inequality. Without gender identities we are simply people. Difference being mostly biological, we should see each other as fellow human beings, not separated as man and woman for different tasks outside of procreation.

i'm glad i get to see the best of humanity in threads like these. i can feel a fresh, cool breeze whenever i read comments like this: [QUOTE=Thugaim;41612799]Humans that wouldn't be able to survive on their own in a environment like a jungle or small island need to fuck off and die. Since when does a species let their weakest members live and slow down their pack. Fuck people holding back human evolution in this shitty society. Seriously we need a world wipe and start of fresh again.[/QUOTE] seek professional help [QUOTE=Medicman;41608349]no, it isn't. if you're born male, you are a male. if you're born female, you're female. it's not that difficult to understand. If I'm born white, I can't "choose" to be black.[/QUOTE] you literally have a hissy fit when anyone posts anything about LGBT awareness, because your ratings speak volumes of who you are. your understanding of the issue is also grossly over-simplified at best

[QUOTE=Ownederd;41617626]i'm glad i get to see the best of humanity in threads like these. i can feel a fresh, cool breeze whenever i read comments like this: seek professional help you literally have a hissy fit when anyone posts anything about LGBT awareness, because your ratings speak volumes of who you are[/QUOTE] With that avatar I could only imagine Rocco getting really mad Also, Medicman seems to be really darn ignorant. If you even hint at disagreement he goes and rates everything you've posted dumb. Pretty immature.

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41617367]You know gender fluidity is a thing, right? Gender on its own has not been studied enough to be proven to be something that is in human nature. And by 'entails' I mean what it is to be x or y gender. Identifying as a man means you are expected to partake in men's roles. [editline]27th July 2013[/editline] Either way, gender identities/gender as a whole is pointless in society. It doesn't provide any benefit, yet creates more and more inequality every day because of gender roles. I see gender difference as a primary means of justifying sexual stratification. because if we don't see any difference we cannot justify inequality. Without gender identities we are simply people. Difference being mostly biological, we should see each other as fellow human beings, not separated as man and woman for different tasks outside of procreation.[/QUOTE] Gender identity and gender roles are 2 completely separate things. You constantly confuse them. The only thing that gender identity entails is whether you identify yourself as a male or a female. It has nothing to do with what men or women are expected to do or be like (gender roles). Gender identity is what YOU think YOU are, man or a woman. Not WHAT man or woman is supposed to be like. Sam was born as a man (sex) but Sam identifies herself as a female (gender identity). That doesn't mean that Sam will want to be a feminine, fragile girl that likes cats, pink dressies and romantic movies, takes care of the house and children (gender roles). She might as well be a truck driver or a construction worker, before and after sex change. 3 different, separate things. And they have been already explained in this thread. Also your idea for fighting discrimination and inequality is mental. "Lets pretend there are no differences at all, diversity is confusing." You might as well apply it to race and pretend people don't have skin color, it makes no sense. The root of sexism and inequality is that people are prejudged assholes who think their standards apply to everyone not because differences between genders exist. The idea that to stop discrimination we have to make men and women identical is just as bad as gender roles. Just let people be who they want to be huh? You're gonna tell women not to be feminine and men not to be masculine? Hows that better than forcing people to follow gender roles from few decades ago?

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;41617746]Gender identity and gender roles are 2 completely separate things. You constantly confuse them. The only thing that gender identity entails is whether you identify yourself as a male or a female. It has nothing to do with what men or women are expected to do or be like (gender roles). Gender identity is what YOU think YOU are, man or a woman. Not WHAT man or woman is supposed to be like. Sam was born as a man (sex) but Sam identifies herself as a female (gender identity). That doesn't mean that Sam will want to be a feminine, fragile girl that likes cats, pink dressies and romantic movies, takes care of the house and children (gender roles). She might as well be a truck driver or a construction worker, before and after sex change. 3 different, separate things. And they have been already explained in this thread. Also your idea for fighting discrimination and inequality is mental. "Lets pretend there are no differences at all, diversity is confusing." You might as well apply it to race and pretend people don't have skin color, it makes no sense. The root of sexism and inequality is that people are prejudged assholes who think their standards apply to everyone not because differences between genders exist. The idea that to stop discrimination we have to make men and women identical is just as bad as gender roles. Just let people be who they want to be huh? You're gonna tell women not to be feminine and men not to be masculine? Hows that better than forcing people to follow gender roles?[/QUOTE] I'm not even going to bother anymore. I don't know if It's me just not wording what I want to say correctly, or if it's bad reading comprehension. I do understand the differences between gender identity and gender roles, I'm just saying society often uses gender identity to dictate gender roles (obviously). I think gender roles are harmful and pointless, they reinforce how people [I]should[/I] act, not how they want to. Nice assumption by the way, jackass. I want people to be able to act however feminine/mascule as they want regardless of their gender identity. I don't want people to all act the same for the sake of a lack of discrimination or what have you, I want people to be able to act as they want without having to follow other roles that are connected with the one they want to partake in. Surely I want them to have the ability to fulfill those roles if they want to, but they shouldn't be expected to. [editline]27th July 2013[/editline] Don't drag race in to this argument either, as race is clearly defined as being biological with clear differences (although I am not saying we should seperate and limit people with these differences). We do not know enough about gender as a societal construct to confirm whether or not it is needed, but race, sexual orientation and what have you are irrelevant. You also keep using femininity and masculinity as if they are defined by nature, biologically. What femininity and masculinity mean are another thing decided by the people, not by nature. They change quite frequently.

I think that the real issue here is that, joke or not, people actually, seriously describe themselves in ways like the thread title. They preach so vigorously about letting people be who they are, but they find it necessary to slap a label on everything involved. Why do you have to be an economically challenged, transgender, tranhispanic, feminist otherkin? Why the fuck can't you just be "you"? And the moment someone stops and goes "this is retarded", the moral brigade storms in and starts squawking about bigotry and the dreaded "privilege". When you make such an effort to distinguish yourself as a pretty little snowflake instead of being comfortable and content in your own skin, it makes you seem less like a "PROGRESSIVE HUMAN BEING" and more like an attention whore. Be you. If you aren't hurting yourself or others, fuck what other people have to say.

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41617789]I'm not even going to bother anymore. I don't know if It's me just not wording what I want to say correctly, or if it's bad reading comprehension. I do understand the differences between gender identity and gender roles,[/QUOTE] Stop backpedaling. You said: [quote][about gender identity]And by 'entails' I mean what it is to be x or y gender.[/quote] The only thing gender identity entails whether you identify yourself as a male or a female. So yeah you are confusing gender identity with roles. [QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41617789]I'm just saying society often uses gender identity to dictate gender roles (obviously). I think gender roles are harmful and pointless, they reinforce how people [I]should[/I] act, not how they want to. We do not know enough about gender as a societal construct to confirm whether or not it is needed[/QUOTE] Gender roles were needed in caves. We don't need them anymore. They are bad thing there's no discussion about it. Nobody should be discouraged from doing things because they don't correspond with their gender. [QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41617789] Nice assumption by the way, jackass. I want people to be able to act whoever feminine/mascule as they want regardless of their gender identity.[/QUOTE] You said this jackass: [quote]Either way, gender identities/gender as a whole is pointless in society. because if we don't see any difference we cannot justify inequality. Without gender identities we are simply people.[/quote] Assuming you understood what gender identity is when you were posting this (as you are saying you did). You just said that people should stop identifying themselves as males and females. But yeah since you added this: [QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41617789]Surely I want them to have the ability to fulfill those roles if they want to, but they shouldn't be expected to.[/QUOTE] We agree at the core issue. [QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41617789]You also keep using femininity and masculinity as if they are defined by nature, biologically. What femininity and masculinity mean are another thing decided by the people, not by nature. They change quite frequently.[/QUOTE] Femininity and masculinity are social constructs. They should be neither encouraged or discouraged. That's what I was getting at. There is nothing wrong with gender identity and it's not a social construct or whatever. There's plenty wrong with gender roles.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;41617957]Stop backpedaling. You said: The only thing gender identity entails whether you identify yourself as a male or a female. So yeah you are confusing gender identity with roles. [/QUOTE] I'm not backpedalling, I'm admitting to my personal mistakes. I am not trying to say gender identity defines your definite roles, I forgot to separate those. I'm not very good at articulating sentences in cases like this, sorry. [editline]27th July 2013[/editline] I'm not trying to say people should stop identifying [I]themselves[/I] either. I'm trying to say they shouldn't be enforced by society. Blame my bad wordsmanship. [url=http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar_url?hl=en&q=http://cdn.transtutors.com/UploadAssignments/321094_1_article-2.pdf&sa=X&scisig=AAGBfm0BdnEKtIXkHduv3t69MgGGZDYdNg&oi=scholarr&ei=mkL0UcjSC-ib0QWGmoGQCw&ved=0CC8QgAMoATAA]Here is[/url] is a report that much more effectively tackles gender and gender identities as a societal construct.

[QUOTE=DTkach;41617918]They preach so vigorously about letting people be who they are, but they find it necessary to slap a label on everything involved. Why do you have to be an economically challenged, transgender, tranhispanic, feminist otherkin? Why the fuck can't you just be "you"?[/QUOTE] because thats what they are? I don't know what you're on about honestly

[QUOTE=Thugaim;41612799]Humans that wouldn't be able to survive on their own in a environment like a jungle or small island need to fuck off and die. [/QUOTE] so all humans need to fuck off and die

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;41618017]because thats what they are? I don't know what you're on about honestly[/QUOTE] Why can't they just be content in the fact that that's how they are? Sometimes I think it would be entertaining to fight with medieval armor and weapons, but I don't call myself "transgladitorial". "Economically challenged" is fucking stupid. "CIS gendered" is fucking stupid. "Otherkin" is the apex of stupidity. Its like they come up with more ridiculous terminology every day to further separate humanity. Male, female, transgender. Why is that not enough?

[QUOTE=DTkach;41618294]Why can't they just be content in the fact that that's how they are? Sometimes I think it would be entertaining to fight with medieval armor and weapons, but I don't call myself "transgladitorial". "Economically challenged" is fucking stupid. "CIS gendered" is fucking stupid. "Otherkin" is the apex of stupidity. Its like they come up with more ridiculous terminology every day to further separate humanity. Male, female, transgender. Why is that not enough?[/QUOTE] why do you care

[QUOTE=thisispain;41618319]why do you care[/QUOTE] Because it's stupid. It is for this reason that we have hundreds of people on Twitter bitching about the royal baby being described as a boy or a girl. "Isn't it a bit early to assign it a gender?" Or how about the individuals on tumblr that openly refuse to associate with people who are "CIS gendered"? It's like in their pursuit to make people feel independent and be who they are, they just created a brand new form of discrimination: tumblr white knight special snowflake syndrome. And let's not even talk about the absolute garbage that is the "PRIVILEGE LEVEL".

[QUOTE=DTkach;41618377]Because it's stupid. It is for this reason that we have hundreds of people on Twitter bitching about the royal baby being described as a boy or a girl. "Isn't it a bit early to assign it a gender?"[/QUOTE] who cares most of those are jokes anyway stop bitching about tumblr when you dont get the jokes [QUOTE=DTkach;41618377]Or how about the individuals on tumblr that openly refuse to associate with people who are "CIS gendered"?[/QUOTE] big deal [QUOTE=DTkach;41618377]It's like in their pursuit to make people feel independent and be who they are, they just created a brand new form of discrimination: tumblr white knight special snowflake syndrome.[/QUOTE] and you want to feel special by calling them white knights and fighting the "good fight" against stupidity. in reality youre just posting garbage that convinces no-one and only angers people. what do you hope to accomplish with the sentence: "tumblr white knight special snowflake syndrome"? [QUOTE=DTkach;41618377]And let's not even talk about the absolute garbage that is the "PRIVILEGE LEVEL".[/QUOTE] no-one says "privilege level" but privilege itself is a well established academic concept in sociology, has been for about 30 years, and nothing that happens on tumblr (if you knew anything about tumblr youd know tumblr isn't a single community at all) changes that

[QUOTE=thisispain;41618425]who cares most of those are jokes anyway stop bitching about tumblr when you dont get the jokes big deal[/QUOTE] It's obnoxious. And what does it actually accomplish? Nothing good. [QUOTE=thisispain;41618425]and you want to feel special by calling them white knights and fighting the "good fight" against stupidity. in reality youre just posting garbage that convinces no-one and only angers people. what do you hope to accomplish with the sentence: "tumblr white knight special snowflake syndrome"?[/quote] I intended to convey how much it pisses me off? I'm not trying to feel "special" by saying this. It's called "having an opinion" and thinking something excessive and stupid is, in fact, excessive and stupid. [QUOTE=thisispain;41618425]no-one says "privilege level" but privilege itself is a well established academic concept in sociology, has been for about 30 years, and nothing that happens on tumblr (if you knew anything about tumblr youd know tumblr isn't a single community at all) changes that[/quote] No shit tumblr isn't a single community. But it is very much well known for this garbage, and you can't deny that. The fact that a lot of people think that one person's voice matters less than another's based on the fact that they were born white or are comfortable with their birth gender and, in the same fucking breath, advocate a progressive society that accepts LGBT rights is fucking disgusting. You can't have equality in one way and not the other. You want LGBT issues treated fairly? For transgendered people and people who are gay/bi to be widely accepted by society? Then stop putting up your own god damn barriers. Labeling yourself dumb shit like "otherkin" and "transhispanic" accomplishes the opposite of what these people are trying to do.

[QUOTE=thisispain;41618129]so all humans need to fuck off and die[/QUOTE] Only Bear Grylls will survive this holocaust. [editline]n[/editline] He will become our new king, glory to him.

[QUOTE=DTkach;41618500] No shit tumblr isn't a single community. But it is very much well known for this garbage, and you can't deny that. [/QUOTE] yeah i can because everyone knows tumblr isnt a unified website. you could say tumblr is known for neo-nazism too because you can find just as many neo-nazi posts there [QUOTE=DTkach;41618500]You want LGBT issues treated fairly? For transgendered people and people who are gay/bi to be widely accepted by society? Then stop putting up your own god damn barriers. Labeling yourself dumb shit like "otherkin" and "transhispanic" accomplishes the opposite of what these people are trying to do.[/QUOTE] lol nope if you cant accept transgendered people or gay people regardless of SOME might do then youre the immoral bigot not them, and eventually you will lose. deal with it

I'm bigender/genderfluid/genderqueer(why do people have so many god damn terms, why can't I just be me?), so my gender shifts, sometimes daily, sometimes longer from male or female. But when it comes to pronouns I let people use whatever they prefer, they can call me a he or she and it really doesn't bother me. I'll use whatever bathroom the majority of colleagues feel most comfortable with me using, etc. Sometimes I really don't get transgendered people.