Cop accused of 13 rapes cries in court. Gets 200+ years. - General

Yeah this thread had no revenge fantasies of any kind in it, nor did it have any death penalty proponents saying that this punishment wasnt enough either.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;49976823]Oh, don't even start. Is it just me or is anyone else sick of every single possible thread where someone received just punishment, the guys who come in like "OH MY GOD ALL YOU REVENGE FANTASISTS I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU TAKE SO MUCH PLEASURE IN ABSOLUTE GARBAGE PEOPLE GETTING EXACTLY WHAT THEY DESERVE, WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU, LOOK HOW ABOVE YOU I AM" Yeah, surprise, people are happy over the guy who ruined several people's lives getting due punishment, how shocking that we could stoop [I]so low[/I][/QUOTE] Yeah no, taking pleasure in it, as many people in this thread seem to do, is pretty low. Especially the people talking about how "he won't make it long in prison" Although he has done some horrible things if the charges are true, that is no excuse to dehumanize him. No matter what he has done, he is still a human being with feelings and experiences of his own. It's a good thing that he has been put in a place where he can't hurt anyone else. But at the same time I think it's unfortunate that he was placed in prison, because at least to my knowledge, American prisons are utterly horrid places to be in. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. And they are not conductive to rehabilitation whatsoever, to boot. This man is most likely mentally deranged in some way, or at least I can't imagine many other situations that would lead someone to do this. But the sentence, at least as far as I am aware, does not include any kind of psychiatric help. It seems like they aren't even trying to rehabilitate him. And that's sad. Furthermore, if HoodedSniper is completely correct in this post back on the first page; [QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49960278]Its just a formal thing honestly. Its because the laws he broke have minimum-maximum years they can sentence. Also because "Life in Prison" isnt really "your entire life in prison" it just means you can only get out on parole or you stay stuck. So you can be sentenced like 40 years, be good, get on parole and get out. Or you can be sentenced 40 years, be bad, and never get on parole so you stay, which is why you sometimes here in the same sentence "25 years to life" the life part comes into play when you can actually get parole. For this guy he CANNOT get parole from the look of it. A lot of his rape charges are part of Okalahomas "85 Percent" law which states before he can even be eligible for parole he must serve 85% of the charge.[/QUOTE] I don't think it's a good thing that there's not even a chance of him ever getting parole, even if he does make a full recovery. I don't think it's likely that he could be completely rehabilitated, even if he were in a place more conducive towards that. But completely removing the possibility of getting parole, even if he does get better, is just vengeful.

Look, this isn't a guy who accidentally killed someone in the heat of the moment and panicked and made things worse. This isn't a guy who got riled up easily and did something terrible out of poor judgement. This is a guy who thought his plan through and established that it was a good idea to sexually abuse thirteen women in the span of seven months. Rehabilitation is good for people who commit crimes "on accident" (due to poor judgement or whatever else). Someone who plans crimes in advance and willingly repeats the same crime twice a month is clearly past the point where they can function in society. I can understand the debate when the situation is a bit more blurry but this is pretty clear cut. The guy is deranged and needs to be put away from society. Now arguably he needs some pretty heavy mental health care as well because he's clearly got something wrong, but that doesn't clear him of guilt. [editline]a[/editline] There's also the fact that, even if he did get parole and somehow managed to get out of jail early, his life would be completely over. Nobody would hire a guy who spent time in prison for rape - especially not a guy who abused whatever authority he had to commit the crime. Even if people were somehow forgiving, hiring him would still present an objectively higher risk of causing incidents in your business than literally anyone else who's not guilty of sexual abuse. He's better off in prison.

I definitely don't feel like the sentence is unethical, but that doesn't stop me from feeling a little bad for anyone that did something so bad that it ended theirs and/or other peoples' life. When that guy is exposed for a psychopathic rapist it ends his life as he knows it, and obviously those women are not suddenly and miraculously un-raped. Those women live on with that baggage. Their families and anyone they love live on with it. Now imagine this cop's mother and father. Athlete and police officer. We don't know how much they knew or suspected that something was up with him, but now they have to live with and meet the horror of what their son did. Everyone around them now looks at them differently A bit wordy but my point is that when a human commences to commit a deep dark horrific thing like this, humanity as a whole is hurt? Not to mention the way I feel about United States prison and such, but like I said I feel like he earned what he got. [editline]21st March 2016[/editline] The whole situation is very tragic how suffering just ends with more suffering.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49977643]Look, this isn't a guy who accidentally killed someone in the heat of the moment and panicked and made things worse. This isn't a guy who got riled up easily and did something terrible out of poor judgement. This is a guy who thought his plan through and established that it was a good idea to sexually abuse thirteen women in the span of seven months. Rehabilitation is good for people who commit crimes "on accident" (due to poor judgement or whatever else). Someone who plans crimes in advance and willingly repeats the same crime twice a month is clearly past the point where they can function in society. I can understand the debate when the situation is a bit more blurry but this is pretty clear cut. The guy is deranged and needs to be put away from society. Now arguably he needs some pretty heavy mental health care as well because he's clearly got something wrong, but that doesn't clear him of guilt. [editline]a[/editline] There's also the fact that, even if he did get parole and somehow managed to get out of jail early, his life would be completely over. Nobody would hire a guy who spent time in prison for rape - especially not a guy who abused whatever authority he had to commit the crime. Even if people were somehow forgiving, hiring him would still present an objectively higher risk of causing incidents in your business than literally anyone else who's not guilty of sexual abuse. He's better off in prison.[/QUOTE] No one is denying that he is guilty of a crime, and should go to jail. That doesn't mean I have to be happy about him going to jail. And no. Just because you premeditated something does not mean you can't be rehabilitated. In his mind, there was a reason for doing this. Maybe not a reason that you or I could ever agree with, but there was a reason this happened. There always is. He did not wake up one day and decide he wanted to be a rapist when he grew up. You have to understand that if you were put into the same situation as him, the same exact situation, from before birth, you would have done the same. I'm more interested in finding out how he became the way that he is, so that preventive measures can be taken against this happening again in the future.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;49975845]For those curious, the defendant's sister made a rich website: [url]http://justicefordanielholtzclaw.com/?page_id=273[/url] — at least over 60 pages of content— defending her rapist brother. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/69r9RVg.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] please get me out of my state. i no longer want to LIVE HERE. PLEASE.

[QUOTE=elowin;49978414] You have to understand that if you were put into the same situation as him, the same exact situation, from before birth, you would have done the same.[/QUOTE] Unless he were a 1:1 clone, that's not true.

[QUOTE=elowin;49978414]No one is denying that he is guilty of a crime, and should go to jail. That doesn't mean I have to be happy about him going to jail. And no. Just because you premeditated something does not mean you can't be rehabilitated. In his mind, there was a reason for doing this. Maybe not a reason that you or I could ever agree with, but there was a reason this happened. There always is. He did not wake up one day and decide he wanted to be a rapist when he grew up. You have to understand that if you were put into the same situation as him, the same exact situation, from before birth, you would have done the same. I'm more interested in finding out how he became the way that he is, so that preventive measures can be taken against this happening again in the future.[/QUOTE] You should be happy about him going to jail. If he wasn't jailed he would continue what he's doing and fuck up more people's lives.

Not being happy about a serial rapist going to jail is pretty ridiculous "I feel so bad for the poor poor rapist guys he's gonna be locked up for a long time :(((((" Like what? He fucked up a ton of people and you're upset he's seeing justice?

The fundraising email for the group defending this serial rapist and the fundraiser behind the plan to appeal this ruling is [EMAIL="justicefordanielholtzclaw@gmail.com"]justicefordanielholtzclaw@gmail.com[/EMAIL] Feel free to let them know how you feel about Daniel Holtzclaw.

[QUOTE=elowin;49978414]No one is denying that he is guilty of a crime, and should go to jail. That doesn't mean I have to be happy about him going to jail. And no. Just because you premeditated something does not mean you can't be rehabilitated. In his mind, there was a reason for doing this. Maybe not a reason that you or I could ever agree with, but there was a reason this happened. There always is. He did not wake up one day and decide he wanted to be a rapist when he grew up. You have to understand that if you were put into the same situation as him, the same exact situation, from before birth, you would have done the same. I'm more interested in finding out how he became the way that he is, so that preventive measures can be taken against this happening again in the future.[/QUOTE] That reason was 99.99% likely that he got off on exploiting his power (sexually or non-sexually), didn't respect other people and/or didn't know how bad rape messes with its victims, and didn't think he would get caught. Just because he has a "reason" doesn't make his actions more okay. Hell, in some cases having a reason makes things worse. Someone who commits a crime - even a terrible one - in the heat of the moment is much more capable of reforming than someone who plans it out ahead.

Oh fuck this guy shares my old family name. I hope I'm not distantly related to this piece of shit.

[QUOTE=elowin;49978414]No one is denying that he is guilty of a crime, and should go to jail. [B]That doesn't mean I have to be happy about him going to jail.[/B][/QUOTE] lol I can't believe you are seriously upset that a rapist who abused over a dozen women was convicted and sentenced. You want to know a good preventative measure to stop a serial rapist from committing more crimes? Prison.

Reminds me of Randy Kraft, he got sentenced to death for 16 murders, but he still had the balls to say he was innocent, and his family did the same

[IMG]http://justicefordanielholtzclaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/news9-300x237.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE=Starpluck;49979134]The fundraising email for the group defending this serial rapist and the fundraiser behind the plan to appeal this ruling is [EMAIL="justicefordanielholtzclaw@gmail.com"]justicefordanielholtzclaw@gmail.com[/EMAIL] Feel free to let them know how you feel about Daniel Holtzclaw.[/QUOTE] I would first like to begin asking you to please remove this email address. It is only meant for donors and fundraising ideas!! And we need space saved on the email for the upcoming appeals to bring justice to my brother Daniel. My attention was brought this website over traffic to our page. Hoping it would be intelligent people seeking to find out the truth I was sorely angry! With that said, I have one thing to say [B]GPS DOES NOT MEAN A SEXUAL ASSAULT HAPPENED[/B] [B]THE ONLY DNA FOUND IN THIS CASE WAS SKIN CELL FROM ONE ACCUSER[/B] Like any other day, Daniel arrived to his briefing station at the Springlake Division June 18th, 2014 before he started his daily shift, 4 P.M to 2 A.M. [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAS02xk_eXY"]It was then that Daniel was pulled into questioning immediately.[/URL] While you read the following below, keep in mind, allegedly Daniel raped and sexually assaulted 3 women on his last shift within a 6 hour time frame before being brought into interrogation. [B]DANIEL HOLTZCLAW [/B] [B]NEVER [/B]refused to cooperate with both Detective Kim Davis and Detective Rocky Gregory. [B]Willingly [/B]gave an almost 2 hour recorded Interrogation with both detectives without requesting an attorney. [B]Signed [/B]a search waiver for Detectives to Search His House / His Phone. [B] Detectives NEVER once searched his Phone, Personal Vehicle or House[/B] Daniel Holtzclaw [B]offered [/B]and [B]wanted [/B]to take a polygraph test. Daniel Holtzclaw [B]NEVER [/B]once denied having contact with the accusers and in virtually all of the incidents he radioed in his location and identified each female as he ran their info through various databases.[B] DANIEL HOLTZCLAW DENIES HAVING ANY SEXUAL CONTACT WITH THE ACCUSERS[/B] Daniel Holtzclaw, 27 Years old was placed on Administrative leave on June 18th, 2014. Hi I am Daniel's sister and my mission is to get his story told to anyone and everyone that is willingly to hear his story! Not only for people to hear his story but [B]also for the awareness how critical it is for Police Officers to have Dash Cams, Body Cams and Audio Recorders attached to each and every officer on the streets.[/B] [B]I cannot stress this enough but I strongly believe that it is just as important that Police Officers are provided with Guns to protect them from harm as it just as important, if not even more, like in Daniel’s case,[U] IT SHOULD BE A MANDATORY PART OF A POLICE UNIFORM AND PATROL CAR [/U]to have Dash Cams, Body Cams and Audio Recorders to protect Officers from any allegations whether it is verbal or physical altercations.[/B] GPS DOES NOT MEAN A SEXUAL ASSAULT HAPPENED Daniel was Presumed Guilty Since the very first day that it made Late Breaking News on August 22nd, 2014 he was first held on a 5 Million Dollar Bond. The Chief of Police and District Attorney David Prater spoke to the media on the day of his arrest that Daniel was Guilty before his day in court. Also, Daniel’s termination letter from the Chief of Police was publically shared to all news channels in Oklahoma. I AM HIS SISTER Daniel and I I WILL NEVER QUIT FIGHTING FOR HIS JUSTICE! Trust me, I have heard every possible negative thing that has been said about Daniel and I refuse to back down for what I truly believe in and that is Daniel’s innocence and that he did not receive a fair trial. Some may say, “She’s in Denial, She is his sister.” Let me clarify, I AM NOT IN DENIAL. This case is not as clear cut as many people may think. Also, most people have only made their judgement based on only what the media has provided. I have read every Discovery (Hundreds and Hundreds of pages of reports), listened to all the Audio and watched the video interrogations provided by the State. (Some Audio/Video Interrogations were not recorded by the detectives) I sat in for the Preliminary Hearing and I also sat in every single day for the 5 week Trial. So I heard every testimony given by the accusers. I heard the differences of the accuser’s testimony changing from when they first told in their Interrogation Audio/Video, to Preliminary Hearing to what they told the Jury during Trial. So let me go over what you just read… and let me emphasize as well why I am furious about this investigation and interrogation. If Daniel allegedly raped and assaulted THREE women as the detectives believe, do you think Daniel would have cooperated with the detectives immediately after they brought him into question? Do you think he would just willingly interview two Sexual Assault Detectives and not even ask for an attorney? Do you think Daniel would have signed over all his rights for the detectives to search his phone, car and house right then? Also, do you think he would have offered to take a polygraph test? Daniel cooperated 100% with the detectives. Not one time did he ask for an attorney. He repeatedly told them over the course of the 2 hour interrogation video the SAME EXACT story, NEVER changed it once as to the stop of Jannie Ligons on June 18th, 2014. Daniel even signed the search waiver for the detectives to search his house, car, phone and also offered to take the polygraph test. Also, during the interrogation the detectives asked Daniel if he was wearing the same uniform he had on from his last shift and he told them Yes but not the same underwear, so they asked for him to take them off his Pants and shirt, YET, NEVER asked for his underwear. THEY ARE QUESTIONING DANIEL ABOUT A SEXUAL ASSAULT, WOULDN’T THE UNDERWEAR BE A CRUCIAL PART OF AN INVESTIGATION REGARDING A SEXUAL ASSAULT? [B]ULTIMATE PROOF OF DANIEL'S INNOCENCE: a Quote from Daniel’s Facebook Account Months before being placed on Administrative Leave[/B] [IMG]http://justicefordanielholtzclaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/bb.jpg[/IMG] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Gimmick/Shut up lmao" - Pascall))[/highlight]

Oh wow [editline]22nd March 2016[/editline] This just got interesting

I've been considering if I'd want to become a cop for a while now. Kinda makes my heart break to see someone abuse their authority like this.

[QUOTE=justicefordan;49983085]stuff[/QUOTE] Starpluck, we need to hear your side now

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;49978790]Unless he were a 1:1 clone, that's not true.[/QUOTE] And if he were in the exact same circumstances, he would be a 1:1 clone. Literally all that means is he has the same genes. [editline]22nd March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;49980360]lol I can't believe you are seriously upset that a rapist who abused over a dozen women was convicted and sentenced. You want to know a good preventative measure to stop a serial rapist from committing more crimes? Prison.[/QUOTE] Man I miss bad reading. [editline]22nd March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Last or First;49979278]That reason was 99.99% likely that he got off on exploiting his power (sexually or non-sexually), didn't respect other people and/or didn't know how bad rape messes with its victims, and didn't think he would get caught. Just because he has a "reason" doesn't make his actions more okay. Hell, in some cases having a reason makes things worse. Someone who commits a crime - even a terrible one - in the heat of the moment is much more capable of reforming than someone who plans it out ahead.[/QUOTE] If the reason was that he got off on exploiting his power, well, why did he need that? Why did he need to get off on exploiting his power? You wouldn't do it (I hope), neither would I, so why would he? That's the question that needs to be asked.

[QUOTE=elowin;49983559]And if he were in the exact same circumstances, he would be a 1:1 clone. Literally all that means is he has the same genes. [/QUOTE] Both genes and upbringing play roles. Take one but leave the other and the results can be vastly different, if he would be a 1:1 clone in 1:1 circumstances, then that's not an argument any more. [QUOTE=elowin;49983559] If the reason was that he got off on exploiting his power, well, why did he need that? Why did he need to get off on exploiting his power? You wouldn't do it (I hope), neither would I, so why would he? That's the question that needs to be asked.[/QUOTE] I'm not even sure what you're asking here. Why did he do what he did? Because he chose to. Why did he choose to do that? You could write a book about all the conditions and influences resulting in such decisions. Or are you asking why he specifically did it, not in general? Why are humans humans? Awfully philosophical at this point.

[QUOTE=justicefordan;49983085] And [sp]we need space saved on the email for the upcoming appeals to bring justice to my brother [/sp]Dan[sp]iel. My attention was brought this website over traffic to our page. Hoping it would be intelligent people seeking to find out the truth I [/sp]was[sp] sorely angry![/sp] [sp]Like any other day, Daniel arrived to his[/sp] b[sp]riefing station at the Springlake Division June 18th, 2[/sp]0[sp]14 bef[/sp]o[sp]re he started his daily shift, 4 P.M to 2 A.M.[/sp] [sp]While you read the following [/sp]b[sp]elow, keep in mind, allegedly Dan[/sp]ie[sp]l raped and [/sp]s[sp]exually assaulted 3 women on his last shift within a 6 hour time frame before being brought into interrogation.[/sp][/QUOTE] Guys I think she's trying to send a message.

[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;49984206]Guys I think she's trying to send a message.[/QUOTE] I wish it was so because then it will be a damn elaborate troll.

"he's innocent because he loved his mom no criminal would ever love their mom" Well, here's some proof that's just as airtight: _v__v_ Daniel Denial [QUOTE=elowin;49983559]If the reason was that he got off on exploiting his power, well, why did he need that? Why did he need to get off on exploiting his power? You wouldn't do it (I hope), neither would I, so why would he? That's the question that needs to be asked.[/QUOTE] Nonsexually, some people just get a sense of thrill from abusing their power over others. It makes them feel, well, powerful. They're unable to have their morals hold back their lust for power. Sexually, some people get off to feet, some people get off to small horses, and some people get off to rape. Who even knows why.

[QUOTE=elowin;49983559] Man I miss bad reading.[/QUOTE] I don't think there's any way to interpret "I shouldn't have to be happy he's in jail" other than "I shouldn't have to be happy a convicted serial rapist is in jail" Yeah we get it you want to rehabilitate every one who has ever done something wrong, but have you ever considered the fact that some people don't deserve/don't need/don't want rehabilitation?