[QUOTE=Rusty100;49305779]Uh, yeah. why the fuck do you want a sword?
archery is less of a problem obviously as it's pretty hard to go on a mass shooting with a bow and arrow. you won't do a 100th of the damage you would if you had a gun.[/QUOTE]
You want to own a sword when you get drunk and think it's a great idea to buy one online for $120.
On a completely unrelated note, anyone want to buy a repro Civil War Union Calvary Saber?
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49305808]you really shouldn't have edited the second part in.[/QUOTE]
why? all they're doing is building my case
[QUOTE=Rusty100;49305795]yeah. like, is what you're saying really making sense to you? i don't get it[/QUOTE]
i think he's saying it should be okay to own swords as they're a lot less dangerous than guns and a lot of them are just antiques that people hang on their wall or something.
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;49305819]why? all they're doing is building my case[/QUOTE]
I mean dude, I can't speak for everyone but I'm pretty calm. Just having a discussion here
[QUOTE=Rusty100;49305801]you could have fooled me. how accurate is this?[/QUOTE]
It's fucking Pew Research, if you need numbers on a variety of political issues in the US (even how much opinion vs factual news cable news shows) they're a go to. They're non-partisan for starters.
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;49305813]Even if it is accurate that's the murder rate, not mass shooting rate. Massing shootings have become more common.[/QUOTE]
mass shootings is what i am talking about, because mass murder is something that's (usually) unique to firearms and the ease with which it is to kill a large amount of people with them is what causes them to happen.
yes. you have bombings. yes, you have mass stabbings. but neither of those are as easy as a mass shooting. and we shouldn't just allow mass murder to be so easy for people.
[editline]13th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=EvilMattress;49305816]Well you can't ban things based on what somebody """might""" do. That's just appealing to emotion[/QUOTE]
or, you know. the fact that people DO keep doing it?
[QUOTE=EvilMattress;49305825]I mean dude, I can't speak for everyone but I'm pretty calm. Just having a discussion here[/QUOTE]
sorry, this part just struck me as coming outta nowhere
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;49305776]Sorry we aren't hivemind creatures[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rusty100;49305806]that's the point. nobody is going around cutting people up, until they do.[/QUOTE]
But people are going around massacring people with their cars. Hit and run murders are rampant all over the world, so let's ban cars too?
[QUOTE=kimchimafia;49305821]i think he's saying it should be okay to own swords as they're a lot less dangerous than guns and a lot of them are just antiques that people hang on their wall or something.[/QUOTE]
they're a little more okay to own, sure. but they're still not a totally cool thing to have.
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;49305819]why? all they're doing is building my case[/QUOTE]
how so? like, 5 different people respond to one post? who are you telling to calm down? we aren't sitting around collaborating thinking "yeeah lets all jump this guy!!". 5 individuals made 5 separate posts which happened to be in a short timespan because they happen to be watching the thread since they happen to be participating in it. I'd get "calm down" if it were one dude spamming but is it really inconceivable that maybe they (myself included) just thought that post was extra-responseworthy?
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;49305837]But people are going around massacring people with their cars. Hit and run murders are rampant all over the world, so let's ban cars too?[/QUOTE]
ignoring the fact that cars serve a bigger and better purpose, and guns don't. the only other purposes are (weird) recreation, not necessary transportation. the simplest way to put it is that guns were made to kill, cars weren't. we actually need cars to get around
we don't need guns for basically any reason at all. i mean, i'd also wager people don't need to hunt, either. we breed animals for food on farms, you don't need to go out and kill wild ones. that seems excessive to me. but whatever.
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;49305837]But people are going around massacring people with their cars. Hit and run murders are rampant all over the world, so let's ban cars too?[/QUOTE]
I get what you're saying but cars are slightly more required than guns.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;49305839]they're a little more okay to own, sure. but they're still not a totally cool thing to have.[/QUOTE]
Why? Who is that up to? Swords are super legal to own. Just because you're morally opposed to something means absolutely nothing in the real world
[QUOTE=Rusty100;49305829]mass shootings is what i am talking about, because mass murder is something that's (usually) unique to firearms and the ease with which it is to kill a large amount of people with them is what causes them to happen.
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I was agreeing with you / pointing out that you were looking at the wrong statistic <@:~)
[QUOTE=EvilMattress;49305854]Why? Who is that up to? Swords are super legal to own. Just because you're morally opposed to something means absolutely nothing in the real world[/QUOTE]
good thing i'm not arguing about swords. guns are pretty unique weapons and should be treated as such.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;49305850]ignoring the fact that cars serve a bigger and better purpose, and guns don't. the only other purposes are (weird) recreation, not necessary transportation. the simplest way to put it is that guns were made to kill, cars weren't. we actually need cars to get around
we don't need guns for basically any reason at all. i mean, i'd also wager people don't need to hunt, either. we breed animals for food on farms, you don't need to go out and kill wild ones. that seems excessive to me. but whatever.[/QUOTE]
you tell some cattleranchers in your country they don't need their shotgun while wild dogs are eating their livelihood
Rusty, "it's weird" is not an argument since that is completely subjective.
[QUOTE=Levelog;49305818]On a completely unrelated note, anyone want to buy a repro Civil War Union Calvary Saber?[/QUOTE]
Where you at, son?
[QUOTE=Rusty100;49305815]a lot of shootings happen on impulse.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rusty100;49305829]mass shootings is what i am talking about[/QUOTE]
From what I've seen before, most mass shootings are planned.
[QUOTE=bdd458;49305866]Rusty, "it's weird" is not an argument since that is completely subjective.[/QUOTE]
have you noticed all the people arguing against me are exclusively american?
it's that deeply ingrained in you, so i'm sorry for that.
The fact of the matter is, no matter what you ban, people are always going to massacre each other. Because people are sick and demented creatures.
You will never be able to stop the influx of guns, but you can CONTROL it. Right now in America it is easier for a criminal to get a gun legally than it is to get it illegally. As long as you are not a convicted felon you can go snag one in under a week. As opposed to getting it through illegal means, which requires connections and meetings and lots more money.
We shouldn't ban guns but they shouldn't be as easy to get legally, either.
[QUOTE=Robman8908;49305869]From what I've seen before, most mass shootings are planned.[/QUOTE]
Planned or not planning a mass stabbing or bombing is harder than a shooting.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;49305872]have you noticed all the people arguing against me are exclusively american?
it's that deeply ingrained in you, so i'm sorry for that.[/QUOTE]
This is a primarily American website dude :U
[QUOTE=L'Citizen;49305868]Where you at, son?[/QUOTE]
Mississippi mostly. But also all over Ohio and Tennessee frequently.
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;49305878]This is an American website dude :U[/QUOTE]
this isnt an "anywhere" site lol facepunch studios is based in the uk i guess but theres nothing that makes this an "american" website whatsoever in the same way theres nothing that makes it a uk site. it's just a place.
also culling deer is absolutely required in the US or else they'll complety fuck up the ecosystem and probably extinct themselves. the government could spend millions a year doing this every year, killing them literally just to kill them, or they could sell hunting licenses and let civillians do the good job they have been doing at keeping the population in check, make some bank along the way and the deer die and provide food for a family instead of just die
[QUOTE=Systema;49305882]this isnt an "anywhere" site lol facepunch studios is based in the uk i guess but theres nothing that makes this an "american" website whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
The majority of members of this website I've seen are American.
I'm not even of the opinion that we should just hand out guns to every tom, dick, and nancy that asks for them. As much as I love guns, I definitely think better safety courses need to be mandated, along with strengthening background checks and the like - as well as tackling the root causes of a lot of the violence in this country, a lot of which is Poverty related. Work on taht, and make there be less stigma against mental health issues and getting help for them, as well as strengthening mental health care and I'd bet you'd see those suicides fall as well.
I'm actually curious as to what would drive suicides up like that.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;49305872]have you noticed all the people arguing against me are exclusively american?
it's that deeply ingrained in you, so i'm sorry for that.[/QUOTE]
How is this a relevant argument whatsoever? Once again, you have yet to give us anything to back up what you keep telling us. Your argument consists of claiming facts without evidence and stating that Americans are part of this discussion.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;49305829]mass shootings is what i am talking about, because mass murder is something that's (usually) unique to firearms and the ease with which it is to kill a large amount of people with them is what causes them to happen.
yes. you have bombings. yes, you have mass stabbings. but neither of those are as easy as a mass shooting. and we shouldn't just allow mass murder to be so easy for people.
[editline]13th December 2015[/editline]
or, you know. the fact that people DO keep doing it?[/QUOTE]
I really don't want to start an argument about mass shootings because damn do they make my head hurt. For one, they are such a small, small percentage in any gun related deaths/injuries.
[URL]https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/office-of-partner-engagement/active-shooter-incidents[/URL]
[URL]https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2014/september/fbi-releases-study-on-active-shooter-incidents/pdfs/a-study-of-active-shooter-incidents-in-the-u.s.-between-2000-and-2013[/URL]
two, the media inflates the ever-loving shit out of these incidents and spurs copycat killers looking for some sort of fame before they go out
[URL]http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/10/media-inspires-mass-shooters-copycats[/URL]
[URL]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34385059[/URL],
and three my god, they are only "frequent" because the FBI considers a "mass shooting" incident as "3 or more people injured or murdered."
[url]http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/what-is-a-mass-shooting[/url]
It's a clusterfuck
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