Mark Hamill- "I can’t believe how intensely people bashed the prequels" - General

[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52977489]The prequels were okay.[/QUOTE] The prequels were still subpar, but I think people go over the top with their bashing of them. People are hyper critical of the prequels and I think at the same time somewhat too soft on the original trilogy. I'd still really love to see a version of the prequels where George Lucas was managed more.

The over the top prequel bashing began as a meme but people parrot it and mean it seriously. They had a lot of neat ideas. Not everything in them was a neat idea, but they had a lot of neat ideas. The glue that connects the neat ideas is weak, but they aren't terrible or unenjoyable films. All of them clearly have potential to be very good films. I have seen some fan edits that make them much stronger, imagine what a professional studio with access to advanced CGI tech could do to reshape the material. Obviously that isn't going to happen - but the point is they aren't totally irredeemable trash.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52979770]The over the top prequel bashing began as a meme but people parrot it and mean it seriously. They had a lot of neat ideas. Not everything in them was a neat idea, but they had a lot of neat ideas. The glue that connects the neat ideas is weak, but they aren't terrible or unenjoyable films. All of them clearly have potential to be very good films. I have seen some fan edits that make them much stronger, [B]imagine what a professional studio with access to advanced CGI tech could do to reshape the material[/B]. Obviously that isn't going to happen - but the point is they aren't totally irredeemable trash.[/QUOTE] The sorta dated CGI isn't the problem - sure, the over reliance on CGI is probably a fundamental issue, but it isn't really the quality. Jurassic Park has some pretty choice shitty CGI (because it was basically the first film to do it, but w/e), but that doesn't make it a bad movie, or even a reason the movie is worse. If you're actually talking about CGI'ing completely new scenes and stuff... well, I mean, why not just scrap everything, and make something better from the ground up.

Yeah I mean the CGI in the films could stand to be updated but that's not what I meant. A "special edition" is more likely than them completely reshooting the prequels, so it seems more reasonable to discuss ways to tweak the existing material.

I remember being a kid and my grandpa let me borrow his DVD copy of the phantom menace, and I had never seen a star wars movie and I didn't know anything about them other than that everyone loves them and it's supposed to be some great shit. So I pop it in and I barely get through the podracing part before falling asleep. I felt betrayed and haven't been a movie person ever since, shit probably ruined movies for me. I dislike most movies I see, including the original trilogy which I eventually watched. I mean they're alright, certainly better than that other movie, but dog it really ain't worth all this hype for all these years. I've only ever watched stuff that people have me watch with them and I rarely ever enjoy it. I actually can't think of the last movie I saw that I enjoyed. Last new movie I watched was Deadpool and I sat there staring, bored and straight faced at the screen the entire time. I got excited for one second because I saw that they had a cgi sr71 blackbird in the movie but then they flew it as a vtol and I was like wow that's not how that works.

I enjoyed the prequels the most in the form of that supercut that turned all 3 into one coherent film [sp]episode I was reduced to like a single fight scene with a stronger sense of tension and urgency[/sp] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoiI4bWwxoA]I think this is it[/url] but I can't check at the moment this also stands to back up [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1588662]the thread from the other day[/url] in which the original movie was saved by vigorous post-editing by lucas's wife and close friends, whereas the OT was full of yes-men who were afraid to get in the way of his vision

Attack of the Clones sort of redeemed itself with the series because i considered it the worst movie even as a kid. I loved so much the clone troopers but i really couldn't pay attention at the beginning, i just wanted to see the clones :v:

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52979770]The over the top prequel bashing began as a meme but people parrot it and mean it seriously. They had a lot of neat ideas. Not everything in them was a neat idea, but they had a lot of neat ideas. The glue that connects the neat ideas is weak, but they aren't terrible or unenjoyable films. All of them clearly have potential to be very good films. I have seen some fan edits that make them much stronger, imagine what a professional studio with access to advanced CGI tech could do to reshape the material. Obviously that isn't going to happen - but the point is they aren't totally irredeemable trash.[/QUOTE] Nah, they're garbage of the lowest caliber. I'm honestly baffled that anyone could look at Jar Jar, the fart and poop jokes, the awful child actors, the unbearable and nonsensical romantic subplot that takes a central role in the trilogy, the witless political intrigue, the horrible greenscreen, the dull characters and their dull dialogue plus their utter lack of any real motivation, and the complete disregard for some of the core things that made Star Wars great and think they're not terrible

I think Jar Jar Binks was a bad idea and people might not have hated the first movie so much if it wasn't for him.

The prequels were okay. The best thing to come out of them was Weird Al's The Saga Begins.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52979954]I think Jar Jar Binks was a bad idea and people might not have hated the first movie so much if it wasn't for him.[/QUOTE] It's funny because if you take jarjar out after they're done at the Gungan city the film is no different aside from the lack of awful comedic relief and is already better

I thought that the prequels themselves were okay. The problem is that each film focused on the world building/macro details and had most of the character development happen off screen in supporting media or be entirely implied without actually show anything. Focus was in the wrong direction. If they centered the films on the relationship between Obi-Wan and Anakin while trimming down on everything else (and putting the detailed world building in the supporting media), it would make for a better cinematic experience.

I rather liked the Phantom Menace, it was a nice, self-contained adventure where a magic knight saves a princess with the help of a boy, all the while evil corporate people try to take over a planet because why not. It had lots of cool new settings and interesting characters, and some scenes were really exciting to see for the first time, e.g. the sub chase, the pod race, the droid army and the duel of the fates.

[QUOTE=redBadger;52980006]It's funny because if you take jarjar out after they're done at the Gungan city the film is no different aside from the lack of awful comedic relief and is already better[/QUOTE] I mean it's not great but I feel like cutting out Jar Jar would have been a net good.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52980066]I mean it's not great but I feel like cutting out Jar Jar would have been a net good.[/QUOTE] Try telling that to George. "Jar Jar is the key to all of this." Man thought the character was his most genius creation yet.

My plan is to never rewatch the prequels so that I can keep my childhood impression of them being pretty alright The OT still holds up super well though and I always have a blast watching it when the occasion arises

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52979933]Nah, they're garbage of the lowest caliber. I'm honestly baffled that anyone could look at Jar Jar, the fart and poop jokes, the awful child actors, the unbearable and nonsensical romantic subplot that takes a central role in the trilogy, the witless political intrigue, the horrible greenscreen, the dull characters and their dull dialogue plus their utter lack of any real motivation, and the complete disregard for some of the core things that made Star Wars great and think they're not terrible[/QUOTE] I was watching a video, I think it was about music, a few weeks ago and it talked about how its stupid to say that "i dont get how someone can like x genre/song/artist" because what you're doing is entirely disregarding their emotional response to whatever it is simply because you didn't get the same thing out of it. also, what the hell is wrong with jake llyod's acting? i thought he was fine.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52979954]I think Jar Jar Binks was a bad idea and people might not have hated the first movie so much if it wasn't for him.[/QUOTE] But George said he was key! [media]https://youtu.be/bz-SaMu8k3w[/media]

the prequels while 90% awful atleast gave us great games. these new movies do nothing and instead took away the cool things we had. oh you like kyle katarn? well fuck you heres Rey.

[QUOTE=CyclonatorZ;52980113]Try telling that to George. "Jar Jar is the key to all of this." Man thought the character was his most genius creation yet.[/QUOTE] well technically jar jar was the one who granted palpatine full power in the senate

[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;52980125]The awful prequel memes have made me dislike them even more.[/QUOTE] Well then you are lost.

[QUOTE=CyclonatorZ;52980113]Try telling that to George. "Jar Jar is the key to all of this." Man thought the character was his most genius creation yet.[/QUOTE] Well he wasn't wrong, at least he's known as the secret Sith Lord thanks to his "minor" appearance in RotS

Reminder that [URL="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJ_tuITneIjyyl-gnevO0uQ0BTovPUTzO"]these [/URL]are the best versions of the prequels

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52979933]Nah, they're garbage of the lowest caliber. I'm honestly baffled that anyone could look at Jar Jar, the fart and poop jokes, the awful child actors, the unbearable and nonsensical romantic subplot that takes a central role in the trilogy, the witless political intrigue, the horrible greenscreen, the dull characters and their dull dialogue plus their utter lack of any real motivation, and the complete disregard for some of the core things that made Star Wars great and think they're not terrible[/QUOTE] Wow, it's almost like you can look at a movie from a neutral standpoint and see the bad parts and the good parts, separate them, then laugh at the bad parts and enjoy the good parts. I still watch the prequels [B][I]BECAUSE[/I][/B] they're not the best movies, and as someone with aspirations in the film industry I enjoy watching them because the bad parts are genuinely, HILARIOUSLY bad to the point where I chuckle at the dumb parts just out of the sheer schadenfreude of "haha, what were they thinking?" and I enjoy watching them because the good parts, or what little there is, are still some of the most iconic and memorable star wars scenes put to film. Duel of the Fates is just as exciting as it was 20 years ago, the arrival of the Clones on Geonosis, etc You can definitely argue "oh the only good parts you like are the best parts anyway" but that's not how I personally feel. It's scenes hamstringed together through bad dialogue, but I wouldn't go so far as to say I hated every second of the prequels just because I didn't like every aspect of them. I would rather just ignore and pay less attention to the undesirable parts and try to peek around the curtain to the movies that could have been.

i liked the prequels as a kid, i have fond memories of putting on attack of the clones when sick so it would put me to sleep.

[QUOTE=d00msdaydan;52978112]I think [I]both[/I] trilogies suck and Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars is the only good Star Wars[/QUOTE] It still makes me mad that Grievous is the coolest Star Wars character ever but his potential is only ever realized for like 5 minutes total in a cartoon mini-series that not that many people watched.

[QUOTE=Geikkamir;52981646]It still makes me mad that Grievous is the coolest Star Wars character ever but his potential is only ever realized for like 5 minutes total in a cartoon mini-series that not that many people watched.[/QUOTE] It always disappointed me how inept they made Grievous, in TCW especially. I always was left wanting him to actually accomplish something

I'd rather watch the prequels than sit through TFA again. The preqs might have gaping plot holes, and be riddled with inconsistencies, but TFA is a black plot hole in itself and targeted strictly as fan service. It was the biggest letdown since Phantom Menace in Star Wars history to me.

[QUOTE=Geikkamir;52981646]It still makes me mad that Grievous is the coolest Star Wars character ever but his potential is only ever realized for like 5 minutes total in a cartoon mini-series that not that many people watched.[/QUOTE] The star wars series has a wonderful tradition of having amazingly designed side villains for them to only have a terrible death and wasted potential. Boba, jango, maul. So many wasted in the films at least

[QUOTE=megafat;52977914]Quite a few people genuinely think that because they like something it's good, because why else would they like it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and just because someone else doesn't like that thing doesnt make it bad either.