Mark Hamill- "I can’t believe how intensely people bashed the prequels" - General

I still wanna see Topher's edit of the prequels that apparently made it a good single film running at 85 minutes there's been imitations but they don't even come close to the runtime so theres no way they're even similar to his

You can say all the bad you want about the prequels as films but fuck if they weren't totally original and honest creations. Clones were rad, droids were rad, light saber fights were rad. I still love the prequel lore/era more than any other of the film settings.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52979770]The over the top prequel bashing began as a meme but people parrot it and mean it seriously. They had a lot of neat ideas. Not everything in them was a neat idea, but they had a lot of neat ideas. The glue that connects the neat ideas is weak, but they aren't terrible or unenjoyable films. All of them clearly have potential to be very good films. I have seen some fan edits that make them much stronger, imagine what a professional studio with access to advanced CGI tech could do to reshape the material. Obviously that isn't going to happen - but the point is they aren't totally irredeemable trash.[/QUOTE] All I'll say it's that I sat down and actually tried to finish the Phantom Menace as someone who isn't a real Star Wars fan pretty recently and I couldn't finish it because I was so bored.

[QUOTE=TestECull;52981932]Yeah, and just because someone else doesn't like that thing doesnt make it bad either.[/QUOTE] Exactly.

Prequel films are better than new trilogy (can't say about final film since it's not made yet) times ten. Fite me [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] Also real talk, I don't get the hate for Jar Jar. Sure he speaks in annoying voice but beyond that he's a fairly standard SW character, in some ways similar to Kylo Ren.

[QUOTE=LeonS;52980440]the prequels while 90% awful atleast gave us great games. these new movies do nothing and instead took away the cool things we had. oh you like kyle katarn? well fuck you heres Rey.[/QUOTE] You still have Kyle Katarn.

I am genuinely baffled right now by the people defending them, the writing is absurdly terrible across all three films alongside some of the most wooden acting from amazing actors.

I won’t argue that the prequels aren’t poorly made and the potential for some interesting stories seems wasted by the amount of poor production surrounding them But at the same time, it’s really upsetting sometimes when you want to explore more Star Wars stuff and you constantly get told not to watch the prequels lol. I’ve seen them at this point already but I had a lot of people in my face about it who told me I was wasting my time and just generally being annoying because I wanted to watch them. Like it’s cool if you don’t like the prequels but I wouldn’t discourage newer Star Wars fans to not watch them if they want to. That’s kind of a lame thing to do. I like the prequels for what they are, but I like the newest movies the best I think, only because I feel like I’m actually a part of something that I missed out on growing up.

[QUOTE=dai;52979881]I enjoyed the prequels the most in the form of that supercut that turned all 3 into one coherent film [sp]episode I was reduced to like a single fight scene with a stronger sense of tension and urgency[/sp] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoiI4bWwxoA]I think this is it[/url] but I can't check at the moment this also stands to back up [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1588662]the thread from the other day[/url] in which the original movie was saved by vigorous post-editing by lucas's wife and close friends, whereas the OT was full of yes-men who were afraid to get in the way of his vision[/QUOTE] There seemed to be a lot of intercuts and some scene transitions were a bit abrupt, but overall the story actually seemed to flow a lot better. That and I liked how it made Anikin out more of a person who was broken gradually over time. Rather than being some whiney emo kid, this cut does a better job at portraying him as just a person under great duress who was overwhelmed by the hard decisions being thrown at him. Trying to protect what he had left and the fear of loss caused him to make bad choices which led him into being corrupted by a human snake (Darth Sideous).

[QUOTE=Zeos;52982466]I am genuinely baffled right now by the people defending them, the writing is absurdly terrible across all three films alongside some of the most wooden acting from amazing actors.[/QUOTE] Well that's just, like, your opinion man. Ewan McGregor, Ian McDiarmid, Christopher Lee, and Samuel L Jackson all did a great job in my books. Also great VO from Anthony Daniels as always.

[QUOTE=Zeos;52982466]I am genuinely baffled right now by the people defending them, the writing is absurdly terrible across all three films alongside some of the most wooden acting from amazing actors.[/QUOTE] What I understand even less are the people trying to rewrite the image of the prequels into flawed but original works of art, unlike the cynical cash grabs that Disney puts out. This will come off as condescending, but I think it's nothing more than nostalgia clouding people's judgement. The prequels are as cynical as it gets, at that point George Lucas was to Star Wars what Paul Feig is to Ghostbusters

Other than some cool art, the Prequels basically entirely existed because of selling toys. Like, people like to say RLM has ruined people's interpretation, when the official documentary, Empire of Dreams, that was included with the first proper DVD release (Which is fucking awesome go watch it, seriously go watch it) makes it so obvious that from day 1 George was a hack and the original trilogy was basically pieced together from terrible ideas and a good goddamn producer making things right. This documentary came out right after RotS and basically skirts around (poorly) how much of a shitshow the prequels were to develop in the epilogue Seriously Gary Kurtz is my fucking hero.

When did the universe decide that TFA, which is one of the safest 'reboots' of anything ever, is like this fucking abomination.

I can't watch Revenge of the Sith. I just can't. Why? Hayden Christiansens hair doesn't move. It's static. Watch it in as many scenes as you can. It doesn't fucking react to anything really. It's a detail I noticed as a kid, pointed out to my friends in the theater, and have never been able to unsee. I hope you all suffer the same fate as I.

I think my favourite thing about Hayden Christensen getting slightly famous is he grew up near me and I've met some of his friends. He's apparently just a gargantuan dork

People always criticize the CG but fail to realize it's go a lot more practical sets than you may think [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhpFsO8wUoI[/media]

[QUOTE=Medevila;52982679]JFC this is the latest popular thing the backwater of the internet hates I guess sure the hate was always there, but, come on lol[/QUOTE] I mean, what's the point of TFA? It's literally a complete rehash of New Hope, almost scene by scene. I recently rewatched prequels just to see maybe I'm indeed blinded by nostalgia but no, I'm not. Granted Phantom Menace is my least favorite of the three but outside of few homages here and there prequel trilogy didn't feel the need to repeat "tried and true" scenes to tell it's story. It was something original (even if it was a ploy to sell some merch like people above claim, I didn't felt this in the slightest somehow) and I had FUN watching them. Yes goddammit, I [I]enjoyed[/I] watching them. And what of TFA? Keep in mind I didn't go with the mindset of "oh boy, how will they ruin everything now?" - I was honestly ready to have more fun and be amazed. But while I was watching it I didn't have fun - all I thought was alarmingly increasing "What the fuck?". I left cinema with ringing head because what I saw was something I certainly didn't like. Later I rewatched it because I thought that maybe I'm getting something wrong - I mean, it's goddamn Star Wars! Aside from VFX almost everything repulsed me - characters were stupid, plot was stupid. jfc, I found Ray to be the most annoying character in the movie - and Jar Jar was fresh in my mind, I mean, what the hell, right? And keep in mind I enjoyed immensely Rogue One despite all it's plot holes and stupid stuff people criticize it for. I had fun with that movie, maybe because it wasn't a re-hash of stuff I already have seen before. [B]tl;dr[/B] I had fun watching both prequels, original trilogy and Rogue One. They are good movies for me. I DIDN'T had fun watching TFA. It was tedious, boring and left bad after-taste. Yes I had a few chuckles with some scenes but if this movie made me feel mostly negative and unpleasant emotions surely I can think of it as a bad movie, right?

[QUOTE=Zeos;52982653]Other than some cool art, the Prequels basically entirely existed because of selling toys. [/QUOTE] I would argue the new trilogy is worse in this regard.

The Force Awakens was an aggressively adequate movie.

I love the prequels because the memes and RedLetterMedia videos on them are the funniest fucking things I've ever seen. I've spent more time laughing about the prequels than I have spent watching all the films in the series so I value the reception of the prequels more than what we would have gotten if they were done in a different way.

The prequels did nothing wrong........except Jar Jar.......and midichlorians and Whiny Anakin ( fuck me i spelt it right )

[QUOTE=redBadger;52982761]People always criticize the CG but fail to realize it's go a lot more practical sets than you may think [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhpFsO8wUoI[/media][/QUOTE] When people can easily mistake your practical effects for CGI that's not really a good thing. [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Medevila;52983198]You're entitled to that opinion but maybe there's an alternate explanation for why many other people like the movies aside from 'nostalgia' or liking 'shitty writing' IMO those who are into abject hatred of TFA/TLJ are riding a way tighter bandwagon than those whose opinions bottom out at "yeah those are some okay films"[/QUOTE] Well yeah that's kind of the problem, they're very safe films. They're well produced but come off as utterly boring in the end because they recycle so much of the old films. It's one thing I'll give Rogue One, as flawed as it was, that they at least took a risk with it and tried something a bit new with it.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;52983422]When people can easily mistake your practical effects for CGI that's not really a good thing.[/QUOTE] You are really reaching for a way to cling to your criticism with comments like this. What a pointless sentiment.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52983445]You are really reaching for a way to cling to your criticism with comments like this. What a pointless sentiment.[/QUOTE] How is it? If your practical effects are indistinguishable from terrible pre 2010's CGI then what was even the point? The whole point of practical effects is they're supposed to look more real and believable.

the revenge of the sith was stating the obvious.

I'm not too bothered by the Star Wars franchise, and my memories of watching the movies when I was young are fleeting. However, I will say that in my opinion the prequels are good and better than the original because they make nerds mad online and that's fun to watch and laugh at.

[QUOTE=Carlito;52983551]I'm not too bothered by the Star Wars franchise, and my memories of watching the movies when I was young are fleeting. However, I will say that in my opinion the prequels are good and better than the original because they make nerds mad online and that's fun to watch and laugh at.[/QUOTE] I wish Darth Jar Jar was real because the nerd mouth foam could be enough to form a whole new saliva bubble ecosystem and change the course of evolution

[QUOTE=Medevila;52982679]JFC this is the latest popular thing the backwater of the internet hates I guess sure the hate was always there, but, come on lol[/QUOTE] Actually, I said the same exact thing here on the forum the day after I saw it, but if you want to lump me into the "latest popular thing", feel free.

I think, if you can find them, Hbomberguy's takes on the prequels (he thinks they are good) are pretty good if you're willing to listen to them, I think he mentions something about the justification for the CGI-looking practical effects as well. Either way the takes are good even if you don't think the prequels are good because it is the source of a lot of nerd rage too.

Those miniature sets are good and all, but the idea of CGI is to accent live action, not replace it. The prequels did it backwards. They did what could have been done practically with CGI, and what should have been done in CGI with practical methods. It's useless to have a nice big miniature set of that environment when it's relegated to be in the back of a sequence filled with VFX diarrhea. You can barely tell those environments aren't CGI by the pure fact that they're literally frontloaded with an overwhelming amount of stuff that isn't real or there. It also explains why, after all these years, I always felt like the Jedi in the Geonosis Arena fight sequence were cut out and placed on flat cards throughout the arena - because they essentially were.