Transgender gets death threats from leftist hate mob - General

[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50712026]I did decide I wanted to transition, [b]but what does it matter as long as mentally, I decide I'm a woman? What if I live my life going by a woman's name, but just deciding that I don't have any desire to change my body?[/b][/QUOTE] Well I personally find that to be dumb thing to do.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50712042]Well I personally find that to be dumb thing to do.[/QUOTE] But [I]why[/I] is it dumb? Why does it bother you how other people conduct themselves in a way that entirely doesn't harm you? [editline]14th July 2016[/editline] I think it's more dumb to restrict your idea of what trans people are to such a narrow window.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50711948]She doesn't want to transition. As such she has done nothing to change herself vocally, socially, and physically other than saying she identifies as non-binary. It's just a trend/fad now and I'm sick these SJWs taking something that's very serious and using it like it's an article of clothing. All this shit like bigender, agender, trigender, genderfluid, etc etc. make absolutely no sense to me and, in my honest opinion, do not belong in the category of transgender. And I know, latin origins and English mean the definition is correct. But it's annoying that people like Milo, other SJW transtrenders, etc are the voices for the trans people. It's infuriating.[/QUOTE] I think they're just as sick as people like you who are trying to shit on something that has no real effect on you whatsoever. Notice how I said real effect. You're going "grr SJWs RUINING TRANSGENDER IMAGE!" when you should be blaming people like yourself who are ruining transgender image by going "I REFUSE TO CALL HIM A SHE BECAUSE <bullshit reason here>)". Had to look up this person and see what their deal is in order to make an educated judgement for myself. [url]http://prinxe-milo.tumblr.com/[/url] [quote]Milo - 17 - non-binary - he, they, or kit pronouns[/quote] You should probably take a step back and realise that the shit your saying is bullsht on so many different levels.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50712042]Well I personally find that to be dumb thing to do.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter if you think it's dumb or not. What matters is that it's the truth.

[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50712026]I did decide I wanted to transition, but what does it matter as long as mentally, I decide I'm a woman? What if I live my life going by a woman's name, mentally feminine in every way a "real" trans person is, but just deciding that I don't have any desire to change my body?[/QUOTE] Gender Dysphoria implies that you have a problem with the physical aspects of your body, that is to say they are incongruous with your identified gender. If you don't want to change the physical aspects of your body but still want to present as female socially I don't think you'd strictly fall under the definition of Gender Dysphoria. Tbh Gender nonconformity and transgenderism really shouldn't get put under the same label. They're pretty fundamentally different.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50712025]Exactly how am I instigating anything when I'm just answering people who directly responding to what I said and asking me things specifically? I can very easily turn it around and said "you could simply ignore someone's opinion you don't like and move on."[/QUOTE] Well of course but you were the first voicing your refusal to call her a he, which is making a controversial fuzz in a thread like this, out of something you or anyone else shouldn't simply care a damn about. [B]It won't hurt you in any way that this person identify as whatever, it doesn't concern anyone.[/B][editline]15th July 2016[/editline] And there's the continuing discussion of what gender is, the fluidity of it. Read up about with Judith Butler [media]http://youtu.be/Bo7o2LYATDc[/media] Gender is something that is much more complex than we think and something we still know very little about, I think This silly but fun comedy doc-short touches on that a little bit in a good way too imo [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkilQ87UUj8[/media] I mean, you sort of indicate you have an idea of how a person should act if they deserve to identify as whatever. Aren't you saying that if you are not acting male enough (you said he doesn't make an effort with transitioning 'fully' etc), then they not conform to who they say they are? Is that really up to you, and does it really matter at all to anyone besides themselves?

[QUOTE=Kyle902;50712094]Gender Dysphoria implies that you have a problem with the physical aspects of your body, that is to say they are incongruous with your identified gender. If you don't want to change the physical aspects of your body but still want to present as female socially I don't think you'd strictly fall under the definition of Gender Dysphoria. Tbh Gender nonconformity and transgenderism really shouldn't get put under the same label. They're pretty fundamentally different.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this sentiment entirely. Thank you.

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[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50712118]Pretty much this sentiment entirely. Thank you.[/QUOTE] This doesn't make sense with your original post. [QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50710901]Maybe it's how you worded it so I'm not understand but she actually really dislikes Milo and labels her (I refuse to call her a he) because she is a Transtrender as she calls them.[/QUOTE] You said that you refuse to call her a he because "she is a Transtrender", not because she's gender binary. Unless you're implying that gender binary is "Transtrender", whatever the hell that means.

[QUOTE=Mooe94;50712098]Well of course but you were the first voicing your refusal to call her a he, which is making a controversial fuzz in a thread like this, out of something you or anyone else shouldn't simply care a damn about. It won't hurt you in any way that this person identify as whatever, it doesn't concern anyone. And there's the continuing discussion of what gender is, the fluidity of it. Read up about with Judith Butler Gender is something that is much more complex than we think and something we still know very little about, I think[/QUOTE] Gender in regards to society and its perceptions is fluid. Gender as it relates to identifying with having a penis or a vagina is firmly rooted in the concrete. There is [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer"]evidence[/URL] pointing to gender identity being "hard coded" at birth rather then being a result of nurturing.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50712163]This doesn't make sense with your original post. You said that you refuse to call her a he because "she is a Transtrender", not because she's gender binary. Unless you're implying that gender binary is "Transtrender", whatever the hell that means.[/QUOTE] I see gender nonconforming and transgenderism as different entities (because they are) but to label yourself as transgender simply for being nonconforming is being a transtrender.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50712118]Pretty much this sentiment entirely. Thank you.[/QUOTE] Now granted I'm not supporting your rudeness in refusing to accept their identity. I do not share that sentiment.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;50712206]Now granted I'm not supporting your rudeness in refusing to accept their identity. I do not share that specific sentiment.[/QUOTE] And that's fine if you don't. I'm not saying you or anyone here has to share my opinion. However, to say I'm rude for having a different opinion is just silly though.

Its a milo wannabe "Im a cunt but you cant judge me because im x minority and i hold alt right opinions ecksdee them darn SJWs!" move along

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50712251]And that's fine if you don't. I'm not saying you or anyone here has to share my opinion. To say I'm rude for having a different opinion is just silly though.[/QUOTE] No you're rude for being disrespectful to someone. Regardless of what beliefs they hold you should at least give someone the courtesy of calling them what they want to be called. I disagree with you but I don't call you him.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50712251]And that's fine if you don't. I'm not saying you or anyone here has to share my opinion. However, to say I'm rude for having a different opinion is just silly though.[/QUOTE]Hey, opinions aren't immune to criticism or being wrong. They are not the irreproachable bastions of thought some people purport them to be so they can keep being wrong and tune out their detractors.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;50712256]No you're rude for being disrespectful to someone. Regardless of what beliefs they hold you should at least give someone the courtesy of calling them what they want to be called.[/quote] I see being gender nonconforming as a fad though like being emo, punk, trans-species, otherkin, whatever the fuck. As such, I do not see it as it being a big deal and try so hard to do such. If that makes me rude so be it. It is an opinion after all. [quote]I disagree with you but I don't call you him.[/QUOTE] Well I'd hope not considering I'm transsexual not gender nonconforming. [editline]14th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50712263]Hey, opinions aren't immune to criticism or being wrong. They are not the irreproachable bastions of thought some people purport them to be so they can keep being wrong and tune out their detractors.[/QUOTE] And that's totally fine but that doesn't mean I can't make a rebuttal.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50712274] I see being gender nonconforming as a fad though like being emo, punk, or whatever the fuck. As such, I do not see it as it being a big deal and try so hard to do such.[/QUOTE] Gender nonconformity has existed since the concept of gender has existed. Even if it was a fad that doesn't justify rudeness. [quote] Well I'd hope not considering I'm transsexual not gender nonconforming.[/quote] I know you are. That should mean that you'd know better then most other people how shitty it is for someone to use the wrong pronouns, but apparently not.

"Hi my name's Dr. Toboggan, I'm an optometrist" "I'm sorry Mr. Toboggan but I just don't think that a optometrist is a real doctor."

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50712274][B]I see being gender nonconforming as a fad[/B] though like being emo, punk, trans-species, otherkin, whatever the fuck. As such, I do not see it as it being a big deal and try so hard to do such. If that makes me rude so be it. It is an opinion after all.[/QUOTE] So because he doesn't feel like a woman but doesn't want to transition, he's just following a fad? How would you feel if someone told you that being trans is a fad (like an enormous amount of people believe, by the way)?

[QUOTE=cdr248;50712301]"Hi my name's Dr. Toboggan, I'm an optometrist" "I'm sorry Mr. Toboggan but I just don't think that a optometrist is a real doctor."[/QUOTE] thats not really a fair comparison. Gender Dysphoria and Gender nonconformity are two quite distinct concepts. The only thing they have in common is that they involve gender (albeit with slightly different definitions of gender)

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;50711667]Guess Blaire isn't well received on FP for not being brainwashed by bullshit.[/QUOTE] or because the alt right community consists of like 10 people here

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50711948]She doesn't want to transition. .[/QUOTE] Is there an explanation as to why? being afraid of the side effects of modern treatment id completely understand until it improved

[QUOTE=KillRay;50712325]Is there an explanation as to why? being afraid of the side effects of modern treatment id completely understand until it improved[/QUOTE] As someone whos undergoing transition (albeit mtf rather then ftm) the risks are minimal, as are the side effects.

[QUOTE=KillRay;50712325]Is there an explanation as to why? being afraid of the side effects of modern treatment id completely understand until it improved[/QUOTE]Some transpersons just don't feel as much urge to physically transition. Some only wish to go through hormonal treatment. Some wish to be extensive and go for full reconstruction.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;50712290]Gender nonconformity has existed since the concept of gender has existed. Even if it was a fad that doesn't justify rudeness.[/quote] I agree to disagree. [quote]I know you are. That should mean that you'd know better then most other people how shitty it is for someone to use the wrong pronouns, but apparently not.[/QUOTE] Look, I get what you're trying to do, but you're preaching to someone who finds being gender nonconforming as being on the same plain as emo: A stupid fad that people will outgrow. As such, I don't see the point in being "proper" because I see it as some stupid game. Especially because a gender nonconforming person shouldn't be as affected by misgendering as a transgender person would be. Hell, I don't think they should be offended at all to be completely honest with you. I'm genuinely sorry if my opinion offends all of you but what do you want me to? I'm not going to change how I see things. It's not like I'm promoting hate and wishing horrible things to happen to these people. I stand by my opinion and I hope you all can respect that.

From my own personal experience, as well as my experiences with other trans people I can say with 100% certainty that my quality of life increased dramatically once I started hormones. I cannot fathom why a trans person who experiences gender dysphoria would not desire transition unless there are social reasons to not.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;50712335]As someone whos undergoing transition (albeit mtf rather then ftm) the risks are minimal, as are the side effects.[/QUOTE] [url]http://fenwayhealth.org/documents/medical/transgender-resources/Informed_Consent_-_Testosterone_Therapy.pdf[/url] there are risks to it though, its not wrong to want to wait for advancement in the field especially when it comes to just going beyond hormones

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50712376] Look, I get what you're trying to do, but you're preaching to someone who finds being gender nonconforming as being on the same plain as emo: A stupid fad that people will outgrow. As such, I don't see the point in being "proper" because I see it as some stupid game. Especially because a gender nonconforming person shouldn't be as affected by misgendering as a transgender person would be. Hell, I don't think they should be offended at all to be completely honest with you. I'm genuinely sorry if my opinion offends all of you but what do you want me to? I'm not going to change how I see things. I stand by my opinion and I hope you all can respect that.[/QUOTE] Look, I get what you're trying to do, but you're preaching to someone who finds being transgender as being on the same plain as emo: A stupid fad that people will outgrow. As such, I don't see the point in being "proper" because I see it as some stupid game. I'm genuinely sorry if my opinion offends all of you but what do you want me to? I'm not going to change how I see things. I stand by my opinion and I hope you all can respect that.

[QUOTE=KillRay;50712325]Is there an explanation as to why? being afraid of the side effects of modern treatment id completely understand until it improved[/QUOTE] She's just gender nonconforming. Simply put these people just feel better being referred to as the opposite gender, neither, or both "because reasons" afaik.