Transgender gets death threats from leftist hate mob - General

[QUOTE=WhichStrider;50712547]That is a completely different thing and you know it.[/QUOTE] It really, really isn't. Every time I see a gender nonconforming person speak on behalf of all transpeople I die a little inside. These people don't know what it's like to actually have gender dysphoria. They don't get what it's like to deal with not only a war raging between your mind and body but they also don't understand the bigotry a lot of us face when you're awkwardly just trying to socially transition as your body changes. And yet, they act as if they do. And they speak for us like they know. They act like being misgendered affects them like if it would a transsexual person. They don't know. It's simply a matter of preference or being a special snowflake. It's not something that actively affects their lives in negative ways. It's on the same plane of existence as wanting to be called Dingo the Pyrofox. It's just a stupid fad. Not caring about a fad doesn't make me rude. It's great if you want to be gender nonconforming. Kudos to you if that makes you happy. But the fact they are labeled as transgender people and act like they are just bothers me so, so much because they simply are not.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50712675]It really, really isn't. [B]Every time I see a gender nonconforming person speak on behalf of all transpeople I die a little inside. [/B]These people don't know what it's like to actually have gender dysphoria. They don't get what it's like to deal with not only a war raging between your mind and body but they also don't understand the bigotry a lot of us face when you're awkwardly just trying to socially transition as your body changes. And yet, they act as if they do. And they speak for us like they know. They act like being misgendered affects them like if it would a transsexual person. They don't know. It's simply a matter of preference or being a special snowflake. It's not something that actively affects their lives in negative ways. It's on the same plane of existence as wanting to be called Dingo the Pyrofox. It's just a stupid fad. Not caring about a fad doesn't make me rude. It's great if you want to be gender nonconforming. Kudos to you if that makes you happy. But the fact they are labeled as transgender people and act like they are just bothers me so, so much because they simply are not.[/QUOTE] This is litterally what you are doing. "Only people who get surgery/body modification to transition are *really* trans"

[QUOTE=Flameon;50712721]This is litterally what you are doing. "Only people who get surgery/body modification to transition are *really* trans"[/QUOTE] That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you actually have to have gender dysphoria to be trans. Not just wanting to be nonconforming because you like it/its the cool thing to do/you want to be a special snowflake.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50712736]That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you actually have to have gender dysphoria to be trans. Not just wanting to be nonconforming because you like it/its the cool thing to do/you want to be a special snowflake.[/QUOTE] I might be showing my ignorance here, but how easy is it to exactly diagnose gender dysphoria? Can you actually tell, or are you using some very subjective standards to estimate whether they actually have it or not?

[QUOTE=BelatedGamer;50712750]I might be showing my ignorance here, but how easy is it to exactly diagnose gender dysphoria? Can you actually tell, or are you using some very subjective standards to estimate whether they actually have it or not?[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure there are psychological tests for this kind of thing. And they're supposedly reliable enough that doctors will use them to recommend hormone blockers for children under the age of six, so I assume that means they're pretty reliable.

[QUOTE=Thlis;50712505]It's moderately annoying how no one really wants to discuss the part where Blaire is doxxed and sent death threats over criticizing BLM.[/QUOTE] That doesn't follow the "oppressed good guy" narrative.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50712736]That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you actually have to have gender dysphoria to be trans. Not just wanting to be nonconforming because you like it/its the cool thing to do/you want to be a special snowflake.[/QUOTE] And what if that isn't the reason? What if the reason is that they don't feel comfortable calling themselves a man (or woman), but don't feel a desire to change their body?

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50712736]That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you actually have to have gender dysphoria to be trans. Not just wanting to be nonconforming because you like it/its the cool thing to do/you want to be a special snowflake.[/QUOTE] You are a self admitted real trans. You are telling us these people are just "trendgender" Why should we trust you and not them? What makes you real, and them fake?

You're going into this assuming they're doing it just to be trendy and cool, and thusly biased against it from the start, and on another point, you're focusing on their physical body instead of their mental state, which is again another thing transphobes do - "You're not [I]really[/I] a woman because your body is male".

[QUOTE=BelatedGamer;50712750]I might be showing my ignorance here, but how easy is it to exactly diagnose gender dysphoria? Can you actually tell, or are you using some very subjective standards to estimate whether they actually have it or not?[/QUOTE] It's not easy at all. The most commonly known symptom is a disconnect between body and mind with an unusually extreme desire to alter one's body to match to live socially and physically as the opposite gender. This has actually been backed by scientific research that has discovered the brains of transgender individuals match the brains of cisgender individuals that they identify as (aka a male to female transsexual will have an identical brain structure/grey matter count as a girl who is born a girl and identifies as one). This has led to the conclusion that transgenderism is not a mental issue but rather a birth defect. Although that in itself is unconfirmed the fact is the brain's of transgender individuals are wired incorrectly to their body and it causes a large deal of distress and mental anguish on the individual. The symptoms of gender dysphoria is a direct result of the brain getting fed the wrong hormones because it's not wired to handle it. I'll refer to the case of David Reimer. David was only a baby when his penis was mutilated by an unfortunate accident. The parents took him to a doctor who had the idea of surgically altering what was left of David's penis into a vagina, feeding him female hormones, and raising him as a girl. This was actually a devious attempt to do a study on how transgender people functioned and, since David was only a baby, he wouldn't know he was really a boy. As such, they agreed and David spent the good early years of his life as a girl feeling particularly confused about his identity and being suicidal because living as such did not make sense to him. When he found out about what happened, he quickly got off the meds and transitioned back in a boy although forever having a neovagina. David unfortunately only made it to his late 20s before he committed suicide. While the doctor is a piece of shit for what he did it does back up the evidence that being trans causes a lot of distress on an individual which is why I say that people who are simply "gender nonconforming" have no business associating themselves with us and acting like a voice for people like me. They shouldn't feel "triggered" by misgendering because they don't suffer any of this.

You're also assuming they [I]aren't[/I] made extremely uncomfortable by being called the wrong pronouns as well. Again, you're going into this just assuming from the start that they're just being trendy jerks who want to be popular and do the "in" thing, saying they're the opposite gender, and totally discounting the possibility that they genuinely are not comfortable being reffered to as their birth gender.

You can call a trans person whatever you want, that's how I see it. I won't insult someone/think of something as rude for calling an ftm person "she" or vice versa.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50712844]You can call a trans person whatever you want, that's how I see it. I won't insult someone/think of something as rude for calling an ftm person "she" or vice versa.[/QUOTE] Transphobia = A-okay, got it

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50712844]You can call a trans person whatever you want, that's how I see it. I won't insult someone/think of something as rude for calling an ftm person "she" or vice versa.[/QUOTE] And you'll come across as a stubborn asshole! Great plan.

[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50712782]And what if that isn't the reason? What if the reason is that they don't feel comfortable calling themselves a man (or woman), but don't feel a desire to change their body?[/QUOTE] Well I guess they're agender then but that still falls under the category of gender nonconforming so I'm not sure what you're asking?

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50712675]It really, really isn't. Every time I see a gender nonconforming person speak on behalf of all transpeople I die a little inside. These people don't know what it's like to actually have gender dysphoria. They don't get what it's like to deal with not only a war raging between your mind and body but they also don't understand the bigotry a lot of us face when you're awkwardly just trying to socially transition as your body changes. And yet, they act as if they do. And they speak for us like they know. They act like being misgendered affects them like if it would a transsexual person. They don't know. It's simply a matter of preference or being a special snowflake. It's not something that actively affects their lives in negative ways. It's on the same plane of existence as wanting to be called Dingo the Pyrofox. It's just a stupid fad. Not caring about a fad doesn't make me rude. It's great if you want to be gender nonconforming. Kudos to you if that makes you happy. But the fact they are labeled as transgender people and act like they are just bothers me so, so much because they simply are not.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry that things have been hard for you and I apologize if I seem like I don't care, I do. It's just the way you've been presenting this has been a little on the high horse, kind of like you're talking down on them. You say it's different and they don't feel the same struggles you do, but does that really mean you can label them as not being something? If it seems like I've put words in your mouth, than that isn't my intent..but it's not as though they don't have their own struggles. The 'they don't know' can't be used as an all around term because every individual differs. You also speak of a 'nonconforming person speaking on behalf of transpeople', but your later sentences seem to try and do the same thing. It just seems a little short ended.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50712736] I'm saying you actually have to have gender dysphoria to be trans.[/QUOTE] Medically, factually, socially false; take your pick.

I think there is plenty of truth to many cases of supposed gender dysphoria being the result of a trend. People are desperate for attention and the subject of the transgendered community has been a very hot topic in recent times, many people may consider themselves transgendered without fully maturing or assessing their feelings to determine whether or not they're actually transgendered. I would also consider being transgendered and non conforming two separate beasts. The way I see it the former is having feelings of being the opposite sex while the latter is not considering yourself to fit in to any specific binary or stereotype of either gender, these people take this to the extreme and try to make everything arbitrarily more complicated for everyone else with the pronoun game rather than just admitting they just wouldn't like to be heavily associated with either gender and leaving it at that. But I've got absolutely no idea how the willingness to transition has any impact on whether or not somebody has gender dysphoria. There are plenty of reasons one wouldn't want to transition, like the medical risks associated with surgery, or hell, maybe they've just gotten too attached to their privates to see it go away. Whether or not somebody gets surgery does not have much of an impact on their biology or the negative feelings they might experience being associated with the sex they do not desire to be.

Onision made a reply to this I think but I refuse to post his video because he's a smug asshole and an actual, full blown psychopath [editline]15th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;50712675]It really, really isn't. Every time I see a gender nonconforming person speak on behalf of all transpeople I die a little inside. These people don't know what it's like to actually have gender dysphoria. They don't get what it's like to deal with not only a war raging between your mind and body but they also don't understand the bigotry a lot of us face when you're awkwardly just trying to socially transition as your body changes. And yet, they act as if they do. And they speak for us like they know. They act like being misgendered affects them like if it would a transsexual person. They don't know. It's simply a matter of preference or being a special snowflake. It's not something that actively affects their lives in negative ways. It's on the same plane of existence as wanting to be called Dingo the Pyrofox. It's just a stupid fad. Not caring about a fad doesn't make me rude. It's great if you want to be gender nonconforming. Kudos to you if that makes you happy. But the fact they are labeled as transgender people and act like they are just bothers me so, so much because they simply are not.[/QUOTE] I used to think Bisexuality was a convenience (I am not though, personally one). You know, the whole 'at least you can choose who you want to love' kind of thing, the whole 'yeah at least you can actually say you like women at all person' but then I learned that that was pretty ignorant as fuck of me to say because I learned the reality of it isn't that simple and bisexuals can even in-fact have it worse than some homosexuals because of people who say "lol no you're just a perv you can't go both ways" and dismiss them entirely It's a bad idea to dismiss other 'classes' of transgenderism simply because you don't understand them

[QUOTE=Intermission;50713587]I think there is plenty of truth to many cases of supposed gender dysphoria being the result of a trend. People are desperate for attention and the subject of the transgendered community has been a very hot topic in recent times, many people may consider themselves transgendered without fully maturing or assessing their feelings to determine whether or not they're actually transgendered.[/quote] They may consider themselves transgender but they'd still have to spend a rather large sum of money and talk to a therapist for about a year or so before they can get on HRT. [quote] I would also consider being transgendered and non conforming two separate beasts. The way I see it the former is having feelings of being the opposite sex while the latter is not considering yourself to fit in to any specific binary or stereotype of either gender, these people take this to the extreme and try to make everything arbitrarily more complicated for everyone else with the pronoun game rather than just admitting they just wouldn't like to be heavily associated with either gender and leaving it at that.[/quote] I mostly agree with this but its more then feelings for transgender people there is strong evidence to support a physiological aspect of gender dysphoria. [quote] But I've got absolutely no idea how the willingness to transition has any impact on whether or not somebody has gender dysphoria.[/quote] [URL="http://www.ifge.org/302.85_Gender_Identity_Disorder_in_Adolescents_or_Adults"]This[/URL] has a list of all the criteria for a gender dysphoria . [quote] There are plenty of reasons one wouldn't want to transition, like the medical risks associated with surgery, or hell, maybe they've just gotten too attached to their privates to see it go away.[/quote] Transition doesn't necessarily mean SRS. Quite a few transgender people just go for HRT. The side effects for HRT are sterility, decreased libido, and it may or may not cause blood clots in some people sometimes depending on who you ask. [quote] Whether or not somebody gets surgery does not have much of an impact on their biology or the negative feelings they might experience being associated with the sex they do not desire to be.[/QUOTE] The surgery does have quite an effect on your biology. Furthermore it does have an impact on the crippling horror that gender dysphoria is. Or else they wouldn't do it.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;50713616]I mostly agree with this but its more then feelings for transgender people there is strong evidence to support a physiological aspect of gender dysphoria.[/QUOTE] By feelings I meant those caused by the physiological aspects of the illness, probably should have specified there. [QUOTE=Kyle902;50713616]Transition doesn't necessarily mean SRS. Quite a few transgender people just go for HRT. The side effects for HRT are sterility, decreased libido, and it may or may not cause blood clots in some people sometimes depending on who you ask.[/QUOTE] Very true, but doing the surgery is usually the sign of a huge commitment, larger than HRT. [QUOTE=Kyle902;50713616]The surgery does have quite an effect on your biology. Furthermore it does have an impact on the crippling horror that gender dysphoria is. Or else they wouldn't do it.[/QUOTE] I'll have to read more in to that, I'm probably getting sour info, thanks. And I know plenty of trans people who've said the surgery worked wonders for their emotional wellbeing but there are also quite a few who passed on it and have felt just as well.

I find it funny that there's 3 page long argument here on how rude and disrespectful it is not to use preferred pronouns for someone with gender nonconformity but as soon as a transgender person is described as "alt-right" her arguments and opinions are shit and nobody is even going to talk about how that person got doxxed.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50708666][t]http://i.imgur.com/S6Mcgyj.jpg[/t] not like this isn't pure garbage clickbait /pol/ alt-right stuff or anything[/QUOTE] Kinda like BLM is pure alt left garbage? Kinda like [your political stance] is pure alt [stance] garbage? yea... that's how it feels to have all your opinions reduced to a throwaway catchphrase... At least try to contribute to the argument next time. [editline]15th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;50713599]I used to think Bisexuality was a convenience (I am not though, personally one). You know, the whole 'at least you can choose who you want to love' kind of thing, the whole 'yeah at least you can actually say you like women at all person' but then I learned that that was pretty ignorant as fuck of me to say because I learned the reality of it isn't that simple and bisexuals can even in-fact have it worse than some homosexuals because of people who say "lol no you're just a perv you can't go both ways" and dismiss them entirely It's a bad idea to dismiss other 'classes' of transgenderism simply because you don't understand them[/QUOTE] Bisexuality is wonderful and awesome, its by far the best sexuality and i woudnt want to be anything but Bi. Being gay is pretty 'out in the open' and i know a lot of gays if given the choice would choose to be straight just to avoid all the flack but with bisexuality you can do whatever you want... the sky is the limit. You wanna blend in and secretly also dig the same gender in the porn you watch? you can do that... Wanna fuck literally everything you see? you can do that, if they consent. [editline]15th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;50714581]I find it funny that there's 3 page long argument here on how rude and disrespectful it is not to use preferred pronouns for someone with gender nonconformity but as soon as a transgender person is described as "alt-right" her arguments and opinions are shit and nobody is even going to talk about how that person got doxxed.[/QUOTE] I feel if you dont call them what they want to be called you are a douchebag, but people have survived being a douche bag and flourished in today's society quite well. Being a douchebag is not a death sentence. and everyone does a little bit of douchebaggery every so often.

Regardless of what you think of Blaire herself, the fact she was doxxed was awful. There is no need to find out and share someone's personal details (and allegedly the details of other people around her) just because they disagree with you.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;50712579]So in other words the channel panders to a certain audience to get views. Got it.[/QUOTE] wow it's almost like every single youtube channel does that

Tbh I'd prefer being trans being a trend over it being considered a perversion or sickness.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;50714581]I find it funny that there's 3 page long argument here on how rude and disrespectful it is not to use preferred pronouns for someone with gender nonconformity but as soon as a transgender person is described as "alt-right" her arguments and opinions are shit and nobody is even going to talk about how that person got doxxed.[/QUOTE] her being alt-right is irrelevant tbh. she's just spewing some pretty stupid shit, and that has little to do with her political alignment. idk instead of trying to create a problem where none exists, maybe talk about the fact that she was ddos'd. tbh, even then what can you say about her being doxxed? "oh the internet is terrible, people are terrible, politics are terrible" if you're really going to bring politics into the reason why no one is talking about the fact that she was doxxed, lets talk about the fact that "alt-left" feminists were doxxed and harrassed and the first response is either "deserved it" or "she's a lying bitch". do you really want to go down that road? [editline]15th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Blizzerd;50714595]Kinda like BLM is pure alt left garbage? Kinda like [your political stance] is pure alt [stance] garbage? yea... that's how it feels to have all your opinions reduced to a throwaway catchphrase... At least try to contribute to the argument next time.[/QUOTE] Acting like pure political garbage shouldn't be defended by going "OH [I]THEY'RE[/I] ACTING LIKE PURE POLITICAL GARBAGE SO IT'S FINE." This is literally how the alt-left and the alt-right was born.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50716359]her being alt-right is irrelevant tbh. she's just spewing some pretty stupid shit, and that has little to do with her political alignment. idk instead of trying to create a problem where none exists, maybe talk about the fact that she was ddos'd. tbh, even then what can you say about her being doxxed? "oh the internet is terrible, people are terrible, politics are terrible" if you're really going to bring politics into the reason why no one is talking about the fact that she was doxxed, lets talk about the fact that "alt-left" feminists were doxxed and harrassed and the first response is either "deserved it" or "she's a lying bitch".[/QUOTE] So I've pointed out how nobody's talking about the OP video and now you're complaining that I'm not talking about people who condone doxxing feminists, in a thread that's about a trans "alt-right" person being doxxed? What? I pointed out how the thread is derailed and you pretty much answered "Yeah because it should be! We should be talking about what fits my agenda!"

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;50716461]So I've pointed out how nobody's talking about the OP video and now you're complaining that I'm not talking about people who condone doxxing feminists, in a thread that's about a trans "alt-right" person being doxxed? What? I pointed out how the thread is derailed and you pretty much answered "Yeah because it should be! We should be talking about what fits my agenda!"[/QUOTE] No, I'm talking about if you want to create an issue where none exists because politics, then I can do the same if you want. This has nothing to do with agenda. Facepunch can't handle more than 1 topic at once in a political thread so don't act surprised that people aren't talking about the doxx, especially when there isn't really anything to say about doxxes other then "Shit I feel bad, but I can't do anything about it."

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50716507]No, I'm talking about if you want to create an issue where none exists because politics, then I can do the same if you want. This has nothing to do with agenda. Facepunch can't handle more than 1 topic at once in a political thread so don't act surprised that people aren't talking about the doxx, especially when there isn't really anything to say about doxxes other then "Shit I feel bad, but I can't do anything about it."[/QUOTE] You'd have a point if this was a very short video with a statement "I got doxxed". But it's more than that. the entire video, two of them, were completely thrown out of the window cause it's "alt-right" "bullshit".