[QUOTE=buu342;52482243]The uploader speculated on Twitter that it was /pol/'s doing.[/QUOTE]
The alt left loves free speech unless they disagree with it
Yeah, pretty much anybody can file a bullshit takedown with Youtube, there's barely any human oversight. Surest sign he hit a sore spot with some rightists though, bless em'.
[QUOTE=YOMIURA;52482199]As the video already say, you are a minority. Your status as one only depend on what your surroundings think the dividing line is, and your treatment depend on how much they hate that line.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=YOMIURA;52482199]It is a loaded question because you already a minority in your own country, and the dividing line is drawn at arbitrary by the speaker asking the question. There is no answer, although its use implies the speaker has one and is meant to instill misplaced concern.[/QUOTE]
This is just arguing semantics. When someone says "I don't want to become a minority in my own country" the implication clearly is: a minority like black people in the US or say italians in Germany.
[QUOTE=YOMIURA;52482199]Its hypocritical to be concerned about becoming a minority when the concerned people's concern are the reason the disadvantaged party are treated as so in the first place.[/QUOTE]
So only xenophobes are concerned not to become a minority? Again you could be a full-time activist (say native german) for battling racism and helping out minorities and still not be happy about becoming a minority yourself, because you've seen that more often than not minorities are treated poorly by the majorities.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52482362]So only xenophobes are concerned not to become a minority? Again you could be a full-time activist (say native german) for battling racism and helping out minorities and still not be happy about becoming a minority yourself, because you've seen that more often than not minorities are treated poorly by the majorities.[/QUOTE]
Finding an anti racist activist who fights racism and considers all races his peers but doesn't want to actually share his space with them seems like a futile pursuit to me.
[QUOTE=01271;52482388]Finding an anti racist activist who fights racism and considers all races his peers but doesn't want to actually share his space with them seems like a futile pursuit to me.[/QUOTE]
Why? Just because you believe all people to be equal regardless of their place of birth and skin color doesn't mean that other people will treat you the same. You could be super welcome of immigrants from other side of the world in your home country but if you moved to a place where you'd be the only white person around you could be persecuted all the same? And you could be afraid of moving there beforehand (meaning afraid of becoming a persecuted minority)?
I'm sorry but I'm missing something from your reasoning.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;52482230]I travel in and out of quite a handful of conservative circles and I've never heard of "The Great Replacement" until now. Reading up on it I don't really hear anyone legitimately fearing this in real life. I hear people talking about how there are certain values from other countries they don't want the west to adopt but I dunno if that's exactly the same thing. This seems to be more about race than actual ideals.[/QUOTE]
It's a white supremacist conspiracy theory, I'd be concerned if you were hearing it in public as it'd mean that white supremacists feel safe with spouting their garbage unfiltered again. And we really don't want to regress to that point.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52482420]Why? Just because you believe all people to be equal regardless of their place of birth and skin color doesn't mean that other people will treat you the same. You could be super welcome of immigrants from other side of the world in your home country but if you moved to a place where you'd be the only white person around you could be persecuted all the same? And you could be afraid of moving there beforehand (meaning afraid of becoming a persecuted minority)?
I'm sorry but I'm missing something from your reasoning.[/QUOTE]
I understand how someone can become a minority when migrating to another country. And it's legitimate to be concerned about how natives will treat you there. But in this topic we are talking about migrants coming to your country and supposedly take over the dominant culture. It's quite a different scenario.
How can the "replacement" be so dramatic that in your own lifetime you'd go from being part of the dominant culture to becoming a minority? Is that a legitimate fear according to you?
[QUOTE=pedrus24;52482520]I understand how someone can become a minority when migrating to another country. And it's legitimate to be concerned about how natives will treat you there. But in this topic we are talking about migrants coming to your country and supposedly take over the dominant culture. It's quite a different scenario.[/QUOTE]
Okay lets assume for the sake of the argument this is actually happening. Immigrants are coming in by hundreds of thousands and they are making babies like crazy. You are one of the (white) people who think there's nothing wrong with that and you're welcoming the immigrants. You could still be worried about becoming the minority because if tensions rise and fights break between natives and immigrants (and their families born in said country) and those immigrants actually do become the majority and then later start returning in kind what they were getting, you'd be also on the receiving end.
"I don't want to become a minority in my own country" could easily be translated "I don't want to get revenge for what I've been doing to them" but it could also mean "I don't want to share the guild for what my xenophobic countrymen were doing to minorities before that minority became the majority". I'm just saying not everyone who's concerned about becoming a minority has to be a giant fucking racist.
[QUOTE=pedrus24;52482520]How can the "replacement" be so dramatic that in your own lifetime you'd go from being part of the dominant culture to becoming a minority? Is that a legitimate fear according to you?[/QUOTE]
Not at all. Like I said in my first post in this thread, I've heard about this but never really cared or felt it's a "danger" or something.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52482362]This is just arguing semantics. When someone says "I don't want to become a minority in my own country" the implication clearly is: a minority like black people in the US or say italians in Germany.[/QUOTE]
Not it isn't. Come here, and tell our ultimate nationalists that mixrace ainu-yamato aren't a minority to be concerned of because they are native to their country, the same colour, and speak the same language. Go tell neo nazis that white jews aren't a minority to be concerned of because they are native to their country, are same colour, and speak the same language. I can keep going like this. The implication is only clear when you share the same prejudices with the speaker, which is why this question is accompanied with scaremongering that align with the specific prejudices they want you to expect. What defines a minority is ARBITRARY, because by definition you are always a minority if you are not an ideologically identical flesh clone that all stand in the same spot on the planet in superposition.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52482362]So only xenophobes are concerned not to become a minority? Again you could be a full-time activist (say native german) for battling racism and helping out minorities and still not be happy about becoming a minority yourself, because you've seen that more often than not minorities are treated poorly by the majorities. [/QUOTE]
No, everybody is concerned with not becoming the minority to be discriminated against, even if they are in the majority! As even when you are the majority, of race, religion, ethnic group, profession, education level: Whether it is within your social circle, whether it is inside online community, whether it is at work, you never want to be hurt or put aside and under for no reason other than what makes your different. My words you are replying to there still stand to respond to yours, its not sense and hypocritical to be concerned of becoming a minority when that concern's effect are causing the disadvantage for the minority they are scared of.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52482600]Okay lets assume for the sake of the argument this is actually happening. Immigrants are coming in by hundreds of thousands and they are making babies like crazy. You are one of the (white) people who think there's nothing wrong with that and you're welcoming the immigrants. You could still be worried about becoming the minority because if tensions rise and fights break between natives and immigrants (and their families born in said country) and those immigrants actually do become the majority and then later start returning in kind what they were getting, you'd be also on the receiving end.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52482600]Let us Assume I Own a Barn[/QUOTE]
I was going to reply at long ignoring how silly your assumption was, but I remove everything. Do not make arbitrary situations to fit the answer you already want your question to receive. You know, from the video and other evidence posted to you in previous immigration related discussion on forum, how such a situation cannot happen. You are conveniently ignoring the migrant can be the exact same as you, that the migrant are not homogenous, that you at most can only become not absolute majority without violating laws of physics or ACTUAL GENOCIDE, and the fact you are asking the same, empty and rhetorical question used to try and sell this Great Replacement nonsense in the first place.
[QUOTE=YOMIURA;52482615]Not it isn't. Come here, and tell our ultimate nationalists that mixrace ainu-yamato aren't a minority to be concerned of because they are native to their country, the same colour, and speak the same language. Go tell neo nazis that white jews aren't a minority to be concerned of because they are native to their country, are same colour, and speak the same language. I can keep going like this. [B]The implication is only clear when you share the same prejudices with the speaker,[/B] which is why this question is accompanied with scaremongering that align with the specific prejudices they want you to expect. What defines a minority is ARBITRARY, because by definition you are always a minority if you are not an ideologically identical flesh clone that all stand in the same spot on the planet in superposition. [/QUOTE]
You don't have to agree with someone to understand what he means. What an absurd way of thinking.
Instead of going after what someone's argument is you change the subject to definitions.
[QUOTE=YOMIURA;52482615]No, everybody is concerned with not becoming the minority to be discriminated against, even if they are in the majority! As even when you are the majority, of race, religion, ethnic group, profession, education level: Whether it is within your social circle, whether it is inside online community, whether it is at work, you never want to be hurt or put aside and under for no reason other than what makes your different. My words you are replying to there still stand to respond to yours, its not sense and hypocritical to be concerned of becoming a minority when that concern's effect are causing the disadvantage for the minority they are scared of.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but I don't understand your argument then. What concern's effect and what disadvantages for the minority? I have no idea what you mean. Like I said, you can be all-welcoming of immigrants and still be concerned about becoming a minority. What negative effect would you be causing then?
[editline]18th July 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=YOMIURA;52482615]I was going to reply at long ignoring how silly your assumption was, but I remove everything. Do not make arbitrary situations to fit the answer you already want your question to receive. You know, from the video and other evidence posted to you in previous immigration related discussion on forum, how such a situation cannot happen. You are conveniently ignoring the migrant can be the exact same as you, that the migrant are not homogenous, that you at most can only become not absolute majority without violating laws of physics or ACTUAL GENOCIDE, and the fact you are asking the same, empty and rhetorical question used to try and sell this Great Replacement nonsense in the first place.[/QUOTE]
... "for the sake of the argument"... like... hypothetically... as in ignoring the realism and facts and just assuming it's real [B]for the sake of the argument[/B]... as in, I don't actually believe this
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[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52482643]You don't have to agree with someone to understand what he means. What an absurd way of thinking.
Instead of going after what someone's argument is you change the subject to definitions.
[/QUOTE]
I am not saying you or anyone have to agree with someone to understand what it means. I am saying the question "what's wrong with not wanting to be a minority in your country" (remember, we are still talking about that) makes no sense because by logic
you are always the smallest minority
and the definition of minority is arbitrary based on the judgement of the person pitching the question. It is a definition problem because the question itself is used as an empty way to justify the answer the speaker already has prepared.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52482643]I'm sorry but I don't understand your argument then. What concern's effect and what disadvantages for the minority? I have no idea what you mean. Like I said, you can be all-welcoming of immigrants and still be concerned about becoming a minority. What negative effect would you be causing then?
[/QUOTE]
Sorry, this is fault of my wording. The concern should not be being a minority (because of the definition issue I previously say), it should be of being a target to discriminate against because some idiot drew an arbitrary line calling themself 'us' and yourself 'them'. And then got all of his who know him to convince everyoine about it through poor argument, empty question, lack of familiarity, and fearmongering. This is the point I am trying to make. I know there is a language barrier here, so if anyone else can back up my line of arguing, or say if I am saying in a way that makes no sense, please do.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52482643]
[editline]18th July 2017[/editline]
... "for the sake of the argument"... like... hypothetically... as in ignoring the realism and facts and just assuming it's real [B]for the sake of the argument[/B]... as in, I don't actually believe this[/QUOTE]
If there is no possible way for it to occur, what is the point of bringing it up? For the sake of argument I can say oh so many things, but because they do not have logical focus, do not have any evidence supporting them possibly occuring, there is none that will help my argument.
If you have to bring up an impossible situation in defense of a question's semantics being intentionally broken, your argument does not stand, and if you have to selective read my posts to make your argument against one I am not putting, your argument does not stand.
[QUOTE=Norkov;52482707]I have no problem with "Great Replacement", but i think its real. For example Musilims,Sikhs and Hindus communities are growing in England, while White British population is decreasing[/QUOTE]
Why don't you watch the video, read the thread, and take a walk outside to understand how what you believe in does not exist at all.
I have no problem with "Great Replacement", but i think its real. For example Musilims,Sikhs and Hindus communities are growing in England, while White British population is decreasing
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52482362]
So only xenophobes are concerned not to become a minority? Again you could be a full-time activist (say native german) for battling racism and helping out minorities and still not be happy about becoming a minority yourself, because you've seen that more often than not minorities are treated poorly by the majorities.[/QUOTE]
That's not what he said, you are doing this thing again where you interpret posts in ways that are less abstract and easier to argue against.
[editline]18th July 2017[/editline]
Oh, he already said this up there.
All right.
[editline]18th July 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Norkov;52482707]I have no problem with "Great Replacement", but i think its real. For example Musilims,Sikhs and Hindus communities are growing in England, while White British population is decreasing[/QUOTE]
This is subject to the video and already shown to be, while happening, no indication of a "great replacement"
Well i think there is a chance of white people becoming minority in some countries of western europe.
Immigrants from poor regions of the world tend to have higher birth rates. It depends how much people they will allow in
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEzV28NXoAA-o9R?format=jpg[/img]
Savage. Lauren was replying to him up to this point.
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEzRSwtUwAEJsnt?format=jpg[/img]
Lauren's fans can't keep it together and show us why she can't try to answer that question.
Master level trolling.
[QUOTE=Norkov;52482785]Well i think there is a chance of white people becoming minority in some countries of western europe.
Immigrants from poor regions of the world tend to have higher birth rates. It depends how much people they will allow in[/QUOTE]
Did you watch the video?
These points are explained there.
And honestly let's just assume that minorities are treated badly universally, and that whites will be it within our lifetimes. It seems to be that one is targeting the wrong issue if they put their focus on preventing whites from potentially becoming a minority, because shouldn't it be better to address how minorities are treated?
It's also a bit more complicated than mere population, how well a "group" is "doing" depends on a lot of factors. White peopl, even as a minority, would still have education, wealth, etc. (stuff that is heavily influenced by your parents, their parents, etc..)
"Asian Americans" are a very [URL="https://www.brookings.edu/research/asian-american-success-and-the-pitfalls-of-generalization/"]reductionist category[/URL] to use, but that's one example of a very small population generally being just fine.
[QUOTE=Smeetin;52481866]I don't get what is so bad about everyone being a little coffee-coloured eventually. [...][/QUOTE]
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I'd like to point out that that isn't how genetics work.
The genetics responsible for skin/hair/eye colour etc. are comparatively complex, but there's still a limited number of individual genes involved.
This means that skin colour information doesn't disappear and a certain shade (lighter/darker than what either parent has) can somewhat randomly reappear later.
[QUOTE=YOMIURA;52482687]I am not saying you or anyone have to agree with someone to understand what it means. I am saying the question "what's wrong with not wanting to be a minority in your country" (remember, we are still talking about that) makes no sense because by logic
you are always the smallest minority
and the definition of minority is arbitrary based on the judgement of the person pitching the question. It is a definition problem because the question itself is used as an empty way to justify the answer the speaker already has prepared. [/QUOTE]
I understand you can be the smallest minority and it all depends where you draw the arbitrary line so technically this question is unclear. However from the context you can tell what the speaker means by this, where [I]they[/I] draw the line. You don't have to agree with that person where that line is to understand where he thinks it is. You can argue definitions but it's pretty clear what they mean when saying that.
[QUOTE=YOMIURA;52482687]Sorry, this is fault of my wording. The concern should not be being a minority (because of the definition issue I previously say), it should be of being a target to discriminate against because some idiot drew an arbitrary line calling themself 'us' and yourself 'them'. And then got all of his who know him to convince everyoine about it through poor argument, empty question, lack of familiarity, and fearmongering. This is the point I am trying to make. I know there is a language barrier here, so if anyone else can back up my line of arguing, or say if I am saying in a way that makes no sense, please do.[/QUOTE]
I think I understand. The person concerned about becoming a minority perpetuates and reinforces the arbitrary division of us (majority) and them (minority) therefore it's hypocritical? Did I get it right?
[QUOTE=YOMIURA;52482687]If there is no possible way for it to occur, what is the point of bringing it up? For the sake of argument I can say oh so many things, but because they do not have logical focus, do not have any evidence supporting them possibly occuring, there is none that will help my argument. If you have to bring up an impossible situation in defense of a question's semantics being intentionally broken, your argument does not stand,[/QUOTE]
Because I was arguing logic not the (wrong) premise. As in you could have a person thinking this and in my opinion he wouldn't necessarily be a bigot, however wrong they would be on the fact that the replacement is happening.
What I mean is, that would be pretty sound reason to be afraid of becoming a minority if someone was wrongly convinced that the replacement is happening. His premise is wrong, there's nothing to be afraid sure. But the logic isn't bigoted.
[QUOTE=YOMIURA;52482687]and if you have to selective read my posts to make your argument against one I am not putting, your argument does not stand.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry if I did that, that was not my intention. I did not understand your argument properly.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52484026]I understand you can be the smallest minority and it all depends where you draw the arbitrary line so technically this question is unclear. However from the context you can tell what the speaker means by this, where [I]they[/I] draw the line. You don't have to agree with that person where that line is to understand where he thinks it is. You can argue definitions but it's pretty clear what they mean when saying that.[/QUOTE]
So the line between what constitutes being a minority and what doesn't depends entirely on what the person concerned about becoming a minority thinks it is? How can the threat he claims exists be legitimate then, if there is no underlying objectiveness to it?
[editline]19th July 2017[/editline]
The idea that being a numerical minority is related to being oppressed is a baseless one in the first place. Black people were never a minority in South Africa, yet that didn't prevent the apartheid from taking place. White people there, despite being a minority, were not the oppressed ones.
Social status is what actually matters in this mechanism. If the group you're part of doesn't actually wield power, you have more chances of ending up oppressed. A thousand poor people have less power than a single rich person.
[QUOTE=_Axel;52484457]So the line between what constitutes being a minority and what doesn't depends entirely on what the person concerned about becoming a minority thinks it is? How can the threat he claims exists be legitimate then, if there is no underlying objectiveness to it?
[editline]19th July 2017[/editline]
The idea that being a numerical minority is related to being oppressed is a baseless one in the first place. Black people were never a minority in South Africa, yet that didn't prevent the apartheid from taking place. White people there, despite being a minority, were not the oppressed ones.
Social status is what actually matters in this mechanism. If the group you're part of doesn't actually wield power, you have more chances of ending up oppressed. A thousand poor people have less power than a single rich person.[/QUOTE]
Really nailed it. Oppression is not as simple as whether you're a majority or a minority, racially. The Manchus, an ethnic minority, ruled over the (vast) majority of Han Chinese after they conquered China. The Normans conquered England and drastically changed the course of the English language while staying a minority group. Just like minorities could conquer independent nations in the past, minorities can be the oppressors, like in South Africa. All of the Colonial Era is blatant evidence of a minority group oppressing the majority.
People aren't actually afraid of "being a minority in my country." Royal families are minorities. Exceptionally wealthy people are minorities. Famous people are minorities. Yet people would [I]love[/I] to be those minority groups - they just don't want to be a [I]racial[/I] minority. They're admitting that certain minority groups are treated poorly based on race, and then worrying that they'll be treated poorly if they're a minority, as if that's how the world works. It's indicative of a worldview where racism is [I]default[/I] - minorities are worse off than the majority, and that's just how the world works. So, clearly, if I was a minority, I'd be worse off than the new majority, and I don't want to be!
Anyone "scared of being a minority" is tacitly admitting that they hold a worldview where racial discrimination is normal and necessary. There's a reason you see people who spout that phrase talk about how diversity is a threat - they can't even imagine a world where you don't have a racial underclass to shit on.
[QUOTE=Jack32;52452016]White people are having less children than the unlimited number of people who are flooding into Europe. There's no way to work around the fact that statistically this means that Europeans will be a minority in their native countries by the end of this century, that's just basic math.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, the white genocide boogeyman
[QUOTE=elitehakor;52485095][media]https://twitter.com/shaun_jen/status/887665290754109441[/media][/QUOTE]
I'm trying to work out what exactly violated the terms there...I mean sure he is calling out a specific user and I can see them being a bit "ehhh" about all that considering she has a scarily sizable number of viewers.
[QUOTE=elitehakor;52485095][media]https://twitter.com/shaun_jen/status/887665290754109441[/media][/QUOTE]
What the fuck.
[QUOTE=_Axel;52484457]So the line between what constitutes being a minority and what doesn't depends entirely on what the person concerned about becoming a minority thinks it is? How can the threat he claims exists be legitimate then, if there is no underlying objectiveness to it?[/QUOTE]
"Minority" could mean many things right? It could be referring to religion, race, nationality, sexuality. Or you could divide people into really small groups like the guy in the video in the OP was doing. It's a matter of specifying what kind of minority/majority we're talking about. We know what kind of minority Lauren is talking about when she says "White people will become a minority". Going "but I don't know what you mean by saying minority, it could mean many things you know" is a pointless discussion about semantics, it doesn't address the argument.
And your question is bit weird. I could switch few words and look "so the threat level of a disease depends entirely on which disease the person concerned about getting sick is thinking about? How can the threat he claims exist be legitimate then if there's no underlying objectiveness to the word disease?"
Like I said it's just a matter of specifying what someone means by "minority".
And I'm not comparing minorities to diseases or something stupid like that
[QUOTE=_Axel;52484457]The idea that being a numerical minority is related to being oppressed is a baseless one in the first place. Black people were never a minority in South Africa, yet that didn't prevent the apartheid from taking place. White people there, despite being a minority, were not the oppressed ones.
Social status is what actually matters in this mechanism. If the group you're part of doesn't actually wield power, you have more chances of ending up oppressed. A thousand poor people have less power than a single rich person.[/QUOTE]
That's a great counterargument to the "they are outbreeding us and I'm afraid of becoming a minority" and I agree however I'm not sure why you're directing this at me because my only argument was that moving the discussion to what minority means is pointless semantics. I wasn't requesting actual rebuttal. I wasn't making that argument myself. I just said semantics is not a great counterargument to it.
[editline]20th July 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=.Isak.;52484535]People aren't actually afraid of "being a minority in my country." Royal families are minorities. Exceptionally wealthy people are minorities. Famous people are minorities. Yet people would [I]love[/I] to be those minority groups - they just don't want to be a [I]racial[/I] minority. They're admitting that certain minority groups are treated poorly based on race, and then worrying that they'll be treated poorly if they're a minority, as if that's how the world works. It's indicative of a worldview where racism is [I]default[/I] - minorities are worse off than the majority, and that's just how the world works. So, clearly, if I was a minority, I'd be worse off than the new majority, and I don't want to be!
Anyone "scared of being a minority" is tacitly admitting that they hold a worldview where racial discrimination is normal and necessary. There's a reason you see people who spout that phrase talk about how diversity is a threat - they can't even imagine a world where you don't have a racial underclass to shit on.[/QUOTE]
Yeah they don't want to be a racial minority, it was obvious from the start. I don't know why you had to deconstruct it like that. And why does "Anyone "scared of being a minority" is tacitly admitting that they hold a worldview where racial discrimination is normal and necessary."? Can't they hold a worldview where racial discrimination against racial minorities is what often happens? You don't need to be a wannabe criminal to say that people would be stealing like crazy if police was dissolved.
[editline]20th July 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=elitehakor;52485095][media]https://twitter.com/shaun_jen/status/887665290754109441[/media][/QUOTE]
That's fucked up. I wonder why? The only thing I can think of would be calling people antisemites?
'White genocide is real! Anyone who dares to talk about it is being silenced!'
Meanwhile dozens of white genocide conspiracies are up on YouTube with thousands or millions of views and videos debunking the idea are raided with false reports and taken down.
Whose free speech are we supposed to be worried about, again? 🤔
Actually something really similar happened to another left-wing YouTuber, ContraPoints, a few weeks ago.
Youtube is shit, and is getting worse, when it comes to taking down people's videos. He had every right to criticise this gal, but that's somehow an attack on her and against their rules? Fuck off.
[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;52488166]Youtube is shit, and is getting worse, when it comes to taking down people's videos. He had every right to criticise this gal, but that's somehow an attack on her and against their rules? Fuck off.[/QUOTE]
A few people have speculated that their system is all done by algorithms and the video was taken down because of the sheer volume of people (and maybe even bots) reporting it.
Would explain why political videos like this keep going down in spite of not violating any rules.
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