• WikiLeaks' Collateral Murder: U.S. Soldier Ethan McCord
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[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;31847186]If we don't finish the war we look like a bunch of pussys[/QUOTE]So what? The world hates America enough as it is. A lot of people would be happy if the US would just pull out of the Middle East after these 10 long years.
"look at all dem dead bastards"
I remember when the video was posted and a lot of people were going "duh well it's war and if they don't want to die they shouldn't be there", which is completely retarded because they live there.
[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;31847186]If we don't finish the war we look like a bunch of pussys[/QUOTE] That's exactly the machismo mentality that he was opposing in the video. Presenting an exterior of bravery and pride sometimes leads to shit like this.
In real life, the apache camera isn't zoomed in onto the windshield and there aren't fucking arrows marking the "children". But fuck this war anyway, sure there were war crimes on both sides during WW2 because of fear or uncertainty, but these guys don't even put up a real fight. They're practically throwing rocks at us. It's safe to say we won't win this war until we kill every single male over the age of 4, and that's sad.
[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;31847186]If we don't finish the war we look like a bunch of pussys[/QUOTE] What's there to finish? Terrorist? Well they'll keep coming back no matter what.
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[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;31847186]If we don't finish the war we look like a bunch of pussys[/QUOTE] So you're saying the reason we shouldn't pull out of the unnecessary confilct that's been going on for the past 10 years is so we don't look like pussies? :frog:
[QUOTE=thegrb93;31838320]That was one asshole wielding the cannon, but they did have to take out those Taliban.[/QUOTE] Yeah, Saeed Chamgh and Namir Noor-Eldeen, Reuters employees carrying cameras, were taliban. As was the man carpooling his children. You're right. You definitely watched the video. [QUOTE=beanhead;31838367]I can see the RPG. Though it was a shame the two reporters died they did what they had to do[/QUOTE] Heh that's funny actually because I didn't see an RPG could you please point it out for me thanks because I may be wrong but it appears you have mispelled camera [QUOTE=Aman VII;31838382]Guess what. Civilians die in all wars/conflicts. It's called collateral damage, and even in some cases civilians are targeted on purpose. Also this is old news, Also those 2 reporters were hanging out with armed men in a warzone patrolled by helicopters and US military. (HINT: NOT A GOOD IDEA) [editline]20th August 2011[/editline] and no I do not support the war in Iraq whatsoever, should have never been there[/QUOTE] It's good that you didn't watch the video, because now I can tell you that there is a distinct military culture in the armed forces in Iraq that not only condones but ORDERS soldiers to use 360 degree rotational fire if they are hit, being allowed to shoot civilians if they so much as look at their helicopter, and clearing entire streets of life if they are attacked. And all of this will be covered up by the NCOs. [QUOTE=Aman VII;31838545]The Heli gunner is in a loud ass circling Apache at xx meters up in the sky. You really think in seconds he could distinguish civilians from possible enemies let alone the pixel sized specks that were the children in the van? Obviously it wasn't a good call but I would rather assume enemy first else I could get killed (or in the case of the gunner guys on the ground)[/QUOTE] Heh this is also funny because you can clearly see peoples' silhouettes and apache operators are trained to be able to distinguish those silhouettes effectively. It's also good the situation's so fucked up they are allowed to shoot someone if "They look dodgy". They were circling for far longer than a few seconds. And the behaviour of the man in the van showed no sign of taking weapons or concealing evidence. Did I mention that there was no obvious weapon-like silhouettes either except a camera? If the pilot and gunner had any respect for the lives of those people, they would have waited ten more seconds and seen what he was doing. But they shot, because I'm certain to them it's just another mud-man that has no worth. [QUOTE=Aman VII;31838570]It may sounds heartless or durp internet badassy but people die in war and you have to desensitize yourself to it. Really not only in war, people die everyday. You can't play mother to the world and try to save every single life you meet some people die it is the way things work.[/QUOTE] Yeah. Why try and fix an obvious issue in the army? Why address the issue that dozens of civilians die daily due to current American tactics, and that these "pre-emptive" measures cause at least five-fold the deaths of suicide bombers in the region? Why try and fix the mindset that condones and encourages slaughtering of civilians to eliminate not even a real threat, but a perceived threat? Do you honestly think that shooting people on suspicion is normal conduct? Because to me it sounds just as bad if not worse than all the other occurances of war crimes, if not worse because America has the audacity to take the high ground in this situation. It's so bad that speaking to people about your issues with slaughtering civilians on a weekly/monthly basis is grounds to be not only ostracised from your unit but actually be charged with a legitimate offence. [QUOTE=gokuman4594;31838724]Kind of looks like Call of Duty. Sad though.[/QUOTE] Hahaha oh jesus I can really see you contributing to society [QUOTE=Incognito;31841346]Because obviously the US has killed all those civilians and none have died due to the constant suicide bombers, car bombs, roadside bombs, and the general civil war between the Sunni and Shi'a.[/QUOTE] not really [QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;31847186]If we don't finish the war we look like a bunch of pussys[/QUOTE] not exactly an issue imo
They still had no right to fire. The men were doing nothing illegal. As far as the helicopter was concerned, because they had guns and an RPG, they were targets, however, it is legal in Iraq to own assault rifles and pistols, and the government can give permits for large weapons and explosives, such as RPGs. They jumped to a hasty conclusion and fired upon the group that not only presented no threat, but was visually relaxed. But the more disturbing thing is then firing upon the van, with contained civilians looking to get an injured man to a medical station. Not only despicable, but unjustified. And the even more disturbing thing is the soldier's taunts and want to fire. Begging for the injured man to pick up a weapon so as to fire on them, and becoming irritated when not getting confirmation to fire fast enough. He wanted to kill them, he wanted to shoot the unarmed injured man, the group of men not presenting a threat, and the van that was trying to pick the injured man up. While Wikileaks may have been hasty in their judgement and may have neglected to state certain facts, they were right in releasing this footage and making it known, as there were illegal and despicable acts occurring in the video. Also, there was an RPG, I guess, but I never saw it in this video the multiple times I've watched it. It's been confirmed that the long object over the one man's shoulder was a camera tripod, but I haven't seen the RPG yet. Not saying there wasn't, just saying that I haven't seen it, but be aware there was.
I feel fucking sick watching this. I knew back when I first heard that there was going to be war it would be like this. First they would try to make it look like it was a 'clean', 'proper' and 'just' war. But I was very well aware that such a thing doesn't exist. Because at some point the would't be able to hide the inhuman cruelty of any war and the crushing facts would become public just like fucking vietnam all over again. I think that point is approaching, and I don't think that anyone can yet fully grasp just how fucked up everything is down there. And I am fucking sick of people defending incidents that are just fucking with peoples right to live. Because the question is not if any of this shit is justified. If you can justify killing anyone you want, that argument is no longer an option and all you really try to compensate is your own desensitation and lack for a sense of morale or ethics. The question is not anymore if stuff like that is agreeable with the ROE, but rather if they agreeable with the value of human life. And If in our society, a human life is not seen valuable enough to wake your disgust for scenes like that, that our society is fucked and we are brainwashed into accepting even the most horrible shit
[QUOTE=Aman VII;31838382]Guess what. Civilians die in all wars/conflicts. It's called collateral damage, and even in some cases civilians are targeted on purpose. Also this is old news, Also those 2 reporters were hanging out with armed men in a warzone patrolled by helicopters and US military. (HINT: NOT A GOOD IDEA) [editline]20th August 2011[/editline] and no I do not support the war in Iraq whatsoever, should have never been there[/QUOTE] *toot* *toot* You're a dick.
[QUOTE=Aman VII;31838382]Guess what. Civilians die in all wars/conflicts. It's called collateral damage, and even in some cases civilians are targeted on purpose. Also this is old news, Also those 2 reporters were hanging out with armed men in a warzone patrolled by helicopters and US military. (HINT: NOT A GOOD IDEA) [editline]20th August 2011[/editline] and no I do not support the war in Iraq whatsoever, should have never been there[/QUOTE] Internet tough guy.
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