[QUOTE=Swilly;43136892]THe Orks are amazing.
Then there's the Tau, which is basically the Japanese Mecha Communism Empire of Space.[/QUOTE]
Tau Battlesuits are awesome.
[t]http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/b/b2/TauCommanderArt.jpg[/t]
I'm surprised so many people have posted in this thread, we've had an actual W40K thread in the general games section for the past few years but it seems there are quite a few more people here that are interested in W40K than i thought.
[QUOTE=Swilly;43136892]THe Orks are amazing.
Then there's the Tau, which is basically the Japanese Mecha Communism Empire of Space.[/QUOTE]
Interesting how the Tau are a young species and somehow they are more technologically evolved than the milleniums-old Imperium.
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;43140004]Interesting how the Tau are a young species and somehow they are more technologically evolved than the milleniums-old Imperium.[/QUOTE]
In some aspects. They can't even use interstellar space.
[QUOTE=Winters;43140048]In some aspects. They can't even use interstellar space.[/QUOTE]
That's because the Warp hasn't affected them yet and such, no psykers. Their tech is amazing nonetheless.
If everyone will ignore them long enough, they might grow big enough to be an actual threat.
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;43140004]Interesting how the Tau are a young species and somehow they are more technologically evolved than the milleniums-old Imperium.[/QUOTE]
That's mostly because the Imperium collapsed, if they still had all the standard template constructs they'd be better than the Tau by a long shot.
Plus I don't see the Tau using anything that could match an Emperor class titan. Hell they'd probably even struggle with the Reaver.
40k, where the space nazi mecha dudes that regularly sterilize conquered populations are the most benevolent race in the entire fiction.
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oh god I can't wait the the inquisition episode.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;43140498]40k, where the space nazi mecha dudes that regularly sterilize conquered populations are the most benevolent race in the entire fiction.[/QUOTE]well, from a loyalist human viewpoint, the 7 ft tall ash black guys with glowing red eyes known as Salamanders just might be the friendliest and most well-meaning people one can ever come across
i seriously hope Games Workshop doesn't fuck them over anytime soon, an entire chapter of Adeptus Astartes dedicated to screwing all the rules on their quest to ensure the wellbeing of civilians in a galaxy full of death and incomprehensible terror is definitely what the setting needs, just to increase the contrast of everything in relation to everything if nothing else
This is hilarious even though I don't really like WH40k.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;43140282]That's mostly because the Imperium collapsed, if they still had all the standard template constructs they'd be better than the Tau by a long shot.
Plus I don't see the Tau using anything that could match an Emperor class titan. Hell they'd probably even struggle with the Reaver.[/QUOTE]
The Imperium collapsed? How are the humans still fighting? From what I've heard they're the ones losing the hardest, yet that info is probably years old by now.
[QUOTE=doomevil;43142618]The Imperium collapsed? How are the humans still fighting? From what I've heard they're the ones losing the hardest, yet that info is probably years old by now.[/QUOTE]
Well collapsed as in they lost tons of technology and got sent to a sort of technological dark age (still advanced, but nowhere near close to what they used to be), then of course the horus heresy which again damaged the imperium yet again, thats what I mean by the Imperium collapsed/is collapsing.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;43140282]That's mostly because the Imperium collapsed, if they still had all the standard template constructs they'd be better than the Tau by a long shot.
Plus I don't see the Tau using anything that could match an Emperor class titan. Hell they'd probably even struggle with the Reaver.[/QUOTE]
afaik the guys who had that technology weren't the Imperium, they were just super advanced humans with a comparatively normal society. the Imperium didn't exist until the Emperor had united the entirety of Terra and set out for space, and before he did that it was just a big Mad Max wasteland with warlords running around.
The way it works is
Planet is post apocalyptic relatively super advanced battlescape
Emperor establishes galactic empire, seals a magic space dragon inside mars, then uses it's influence to inspire a golden technological revolution of scientific magical science
Horus a shit, everything goes to shit, emperor gets put on a giant golden toilet
everyone forgets everything and becomes a complete and total dick to everyone else for the next 10,000 years. War is now waged with super advanced mega lawn mowers because they forgot how to make proper tanks.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;43143998]The way it works is
Planet is post apocalyptic relatively super advanced battlescape
Emperor establishes galactic empire, seals a magic space dragon inside mars, then uses it's influence to inspire a golden technological revolution of scientific magical science
Horus a shit, everything goes to shit, emperor gets put on a giant golden toilet
everyone forgets everything and becomes a complete and total dick to everyone else for the next 10,000 years. War is now waged with super advanced mega lawn mowers because they forgot how to make proper tanks.[/QUOTE]
You are a little mistaken. The Emperor sealed the Void Dragon away much, much earlier. He is St. george from the legend with the dragon. And once he reunited Terra after the Age of Strife, even that glory of the Imperium was built on the scraps of the Golden Age of Technology which was about 10k years before the Great Crusade. Then half of Mars went rogue in the Horus Heresy and even a lot of -that- was lost again.
I love this thread. When I get home I will start playing some WH40K games straight away!
[QUOTE=nightlord;43133156]
I really don't like the idea of "Orks believe it so it's true", and from what I've seen there isn't any actual proof for it working like that. There are plenty of explanations for things like red painted vehicles going faster, if an Ork Mek is going to put a lot of work into a vehicle he's obviously going to give it some red paint when it's done, to the other Orks it's the same vehicle despite all the changes made, the only noticeable different is it's now painted red, but it is faster than before, therefore they think it was the Red paint that makes it faster. [/QUOTE]
That makes a heck of a lot more sense than what I've heard from other people.
As for the OP, hilarious even to someone who knows very little of the lore.
[QUOTE=Buck.;43144350]I love this thread. When I get home I will start playing some WH40K games straight away![/QUOTE]
Space Marine is actually a really good lore and atmospherically accurate game for people who don't like RTS games btw
[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;43128155]Idk why but I was thinking the Emperor's New Groove :>[/QUOTE]
I was expecting Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars.
[QUOTE=Cone;43144427]Space Marine is actually a really good lore and atmospherically accurate game for people who don't like RTS games btw[/QUOTE]
I think the only two big problems there are lore-wise is that ork blood is red in it instead of green and the game pretends ultra-marines are cool.
The multiplayer was really fun too, shame it's dead. You could make your own little chapter and it had a TON of armor customization.
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;43144605]arent there like, a decent amount of "ancient space dragons" around the universe, and it was (to make it simple for people not familiar with 40K) like a prothean thing, except instead of just finding an artifact they found a being that could destroy fucking everything inside mars
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I'm going off of what people who like 40k have told me[/QUOTE]
The Void Dragon is a C'Tan (Or in current fluff, maybe just a shard? It is unclear)
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43144489]I think the only two big problems there are lore-wise is that ork blood is red in it instead of green and the game pretends ultra-marines are cool.
The multiplayer was really fun too, shame it's dead. You could make your own little chapter and it had a TON of armor customization.[/QUOTE]i've literally never seen green Ork blood in any artwork or other visual representation of the franchise; afaik the green blood thing is is something from the 80's or early 90's and was retconned a long ago. and just imagine how dumb and not brutal or grimdark at all green blood would look. the much bigger Ork-related mistake is that they don't do funny Ork speak at all (compared to the Dawn of War series)
and Ultramarines can be cool, if they're Titus and not Leandros. the game is like a giant middle finger to the strictly Codex-following mattwardian Ultramarines in the form of Leandros who's a narrow-minded naive idiot. meanwhile Titus says fuck the rules and surfs an Ork kroozer down to the planet's surface and starts chainsword raping everything. he's most likely either an undercover Angry Marine with severe amnesia or slowly turning khornate though
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;43144605]arent there like, a decent amount of "ancient space dragons" around the universe, and it was (to make it simple for people not familiar with 40K) like a prothean thing, except instead of just finding an artifact they found a being that could destroy fucking everything inside mars
[editline]11th December 2013[/editline]
I'm going off of what people who like 40k have told me[/QUOTE]not just Mars. the Void Dragon (as said above, in the older fluff, not sure about the current status) is a C'Tan, an energy being that can manifest itself in a necrodermis (living metal) body/chassis and which feeds on the energy of suns. a star god, in short. the Void Dragon stands out because it's said to be the master of all artificial constructs, the Machine God, and thus ironically the Omnissiah that the priests of Mars worship. there's some serious ambiguity to this of course, but we've still gotten some strong hints at an ability to control machines and mechanics. if some asshole releases it from the Noctis Labyrinth it's going to be an apocalypse on a galactic scale (like most of the what-if scenarios in 40k). this was fairly recently actually attempted by the Necrons, who managed to sneak a small fleet into the most heavily fortified solar system in the galaxy and land on Mars before being blown to atoms
the "ancient space dragons" are probably the C'Tan, who're now stored in fragmented pieces in energy crystals by the Necrons who rose against them ages ago. one of them just happens to be the Grim Reaper by the way, the very reason everyone (except the Orks) fears death after it majorly fucked shit up millions of years ago, and p. much one of the few things (besides Slaanesh) in existence that can make the Eldar scream their souls out in pure terror
Seemingly the only reasons why Ultramarines get so much shit is because they're the poster boys for the Space Marines and Matt Ward. They're not the most interesting chapter to me personally but the whole 'Ultramarines are always boring and lame' is silly.
Also was it specifically stated that Dragon of Mars was in fact the Void Dragon? I remember it being only *hinted* (cough) at. Anybody correct me if I'm wrong though, it's been awhile.
[sp]I think there was this one Black Library novel that described the Dragon of Mars having scales that were silver in colour and rippling if hard enough. I'm pretty sure that was its necrodermis.[/sp]
[QUOTE=kimchimafia;43144786]Seemingly the only reasons why Ultramarines get so much shit is because they're the poster boys for the Space Marines and Matt Ward. They're not the most interesting chapter to me personally but the whole 'Ultramarines are always boring and lame' is silly.
Also was it specifically stated that Dragon of Mars was in fact the Void Dragon? I remember it being only *hinted* (cough) at. Anybody correct me if I'm wrong though, it's been awhile.
[sp]I think there was this one Black Library novel that described the Dragon of Mars having scales that were silver in colour and rippling if hard enough. I'm pretty sure that was its necrodermis.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Well, the reason most people hate the ultramarines is because they have nothing special about them. Almost every other notable space marine chapter has some form of quirk or something they're good at, but the ultramarine's 'quirk' is how unquirky they are.
they're chucked into stories where the writers want to have space marines, but don't want to deal with the lore or backstory of the space marines they throw in, so they throw in ultramarines because ultramarines basically have no backstory. (not true, but they have no backstory that comes to define them other than 'when every other chapter was getting fucking bummed in the arse, the ultramarines were doing something else'
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;43145241]Well, the reason most people hate the ultramarines is because they have nothing special about them. Almost every other notable space marine chapter has some form of quirk or something they're good at, but the ultramarine's 'quirk' is how unquirky they are.
they're chucked into stories where the writers want to have space marines, but don't want to deal with the lore or backstory of the space marines they throw in, so they throw in ultramarines because ultramarines basically have no backstory. (not true, but they have no backstory that comes to define them other than 'when every other chapter was getting fucking bummed in the arse, the ultramarines were doing something else'[/QUOTE]
The Ultramarines do have a slight Roman-empire theme to them, though. i don't mind the Ultramarines but i'd prefer it if other Chapters appeared more often, there are many more interesting chapters than the Ultramarines.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;43145241]Well, the reason most people hate the ultramarines is because they have nothing special about them. Almost every other notable space marine chapter has some form of quirk or something they're good at, but the ultramarine's 'quirk' is how unquirky they are.
they're chucked into stories where the writers want to have space marines, but don't want to deal with the lore or backstory of the space marines they throw in, so they throw in ultramarines because ultramarines basically have no backstory.[/QUOTE]
I see the problems the Ultramarines have such as them being overexposed and many instances of author favoritism claiming them to be the bestest chapter ever but I disagree with the notion of Ultramarines having no backstory. They're one of the founding chapters, of course there's gonna be backstory and lore behind the Ultramarines. I admit from what I know, the lore isn't as interesting as some of the other chapters however they do have specialties. Weren't logistics/tactics/governance and their numbers the famed capabilities of the Ultramarines during Pre-Heresy (who was also second to the Luna Wolves in terms of victories)?
I used to think of them as the WH40k version of the famed Roman armies.
[t]http://picsfab.com/download/image/57608/1920x1110_bitva-ultramarinyi-monolit-warhammer-40k.jpg[/t]
Well-trained and disciplined + quick to replace their losses + focus on superior established tactics and logistics that are 'expected' to be followed by others
They can have some interesting flaws you can explore such as their pride in 'strictly following the superior Codex Astartes in which you MUST NOT deviate from' that Joazz pointed out.
I just think that the notion of that Ultramarines being always inherently bad/boring to be a bit silly.
[editline]11th December 2013[/editline]
Okay I just read your bit saying ultramarines having no backstory wasn't true. Still, they did have a little bit more than that.
[QUOTE=nightlord;43145355]The Ultramarines do have a slight Roman-empire theme to them, though. i don't mind the Ultramarines but i'd prefer it if other Chapters appeared more often, there are many more interesting chapters than the Ultramarines.[/QUOTE]
Something other than Ultramarines being plastered everywhere would be nice for once.
this whole Void Dragon/necrodermis thing also always raises questions about what the heck that beast of living metal that Ferrus Manus gave a new behind was
maybe some radical inquisitor will look into it at some point
[editline]11th December 2013[/editline]
also when i was first getting into 40k i called all astartes Ultramarines lol
[QUOTE=kimchimafia;43145400]
I used to think of them as the WH40k version of the famed Roman armies.
[t]http://picsfab.com/download/image/57608/1920x1110_bitva-ultramarinyi-monolit-warhammer-40k.jpg[/t]
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Every Marine in that picture seems to be ignoring all the Necron Monoliths floating directly above them. They don't seem to have any heavy weapons either. That's going to go well.
[QUOTE=nightlord;43145484]Every Marine in that picture seems to be ignoring all the Necron Monoliths floating directly above them. They don't seem to havy any heavy weapons either. That's going to go well.[/QUOTE]
Well, it was the cover art for the Fall of Damnos so it definitely did go well. For the Necrons that is.
wasn't the Damnos incident a massive disaster anyway
[editline]11th December 2013[/editline]
damnable ninja
[QUOTE=Joazzz;43144724]
and Ultramarines can be cool, if they're Titus and not Leandros. the game is like a giant middle finger to the strictly Codex-following mattwardian Ultramarines in the form of Leandros who's a narrow-minded naive idiot. meanwhile Titus says fuck the rules and surfs an Ork kroozer down to the planet's surface and starts chainsword raping everything. he's most likely either an undercover Angry Marine with severe amnesia or slowly turning khornate though
not just Mars. the Void Dragon (as said above, in the older fluff, not sure about the current status) is a C'Tan, an energy being that can manifest itself in a necrodermis (living metal) body/chassis and which feeds on the energy of suns. a star god, in short. the Void Dragon stands out because it's said to be the master of all artificial constructs, the Machine God, and thus ironically the Omnissiah that the priests of Mars worship. there's some serious ambiguity to this of course, but we've still gotten some strong hints at an ability to control machines and mechanics. if some asshole releases it from the Noctis Labyrinth it's going to be an apocalypse on a galactic scale (like most of the what-if scenarios in 40k). this was fairly recently actually attempted by the Necrons, who managed to sneak a small fleet into the most heavily fortified solar system in the galaxy and land on Mars before being blown to atoms
the "ancient space dragons" are probably the C'Tan, who're now stored in fragmented pieces in energy crystals by the Necrons who rose against them ages ago. one of them just happens to be the Grim Reaper by the way, the very reason everyone (except the Orks) fears death after it majorly fucked shit up millions of years ago, and p. much one of the few things (besides Slaanesh) in existence that can make the Eldar scream their souls out in pure terror[/QUOTE]
Don't forget the fact that the story of Saint George and the Dragon is supposed to be when the Emperor fought the Void Dragon and imprisoned it on Mars (how he got it to mars I do not know, but he did)
I understood none of this and laughed like a silly bitch
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