• Bioshock Infinite : Burial at the Sea
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Its about time to reinstall Infinite, time to look for a season pass.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;41659608]The problem with this is that this should-be alternate Booker has the "AD" mark on his hand. [sp]This means that Booker have had Anna taken away (because he carved the letters into his hand out of guilt for losing Anna), which means that the Booker in this DLC must've been somehow pulled into the Rapture universe from the same universe that Bioshock Infinite begins within (because no other versions of Booker other than the ones who have had lost Anna would've had the AD signature)? I suppose one could just assume that Booker could've ended up in Rapture on his own volition in any of the possible universes where (minus the 112 + 1 universes where the Lutece's recruited him)[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]However, the man and the woman chilling at the balcony in Rapture could be this universe's versions of the Lutece's, which would explain why Elisabeth can still open rifts.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Géza!;41659834]I think we're way overthinking this. [sp]Booker is in Rapture because, well, that's where and when a man called Booker DeWitt exists in that particular universe. Why rope in theories about how he must've been dragged there from Columbia or something? We have clearly seen that the alternative universes don't necessarily "line up" in time, because Elizabeth opens a portal to an alternative Paris in the 80s, among other things.[/sp][/QUOTE] Well, I'm hoping they can make it come together somehow other than just stating "Oh this universe just came out of nowhere". Her [sp]opening those random tears doesn't really mess with the linearity as far as I understand; alternate universes aren't created from arbitrary tears but rather exist based on specific sequences of events with different possible outcomes (the "variables") with time just representing at what spatial points the universes connect. That's the whole reason the game ended the way it did; by eliminating the "Booker variable" all universes involving Comstock and Columbia were eliminated with it. If this is the way the multiverse works, I'm just curious as to what sequence of events (or possibly multiverse-fuckery) led to the universe where Booker is a Rapture denizen. [/sp]
oooooooh man [IMG]http://www.bioshockinfinite.com/images/media/downloads/WALLPAPER_standard_DLCC.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Retyuoligkl;41661934]oooooooh man [IMG]http://www.bioshockinfinite.com/images/media/downloads/WALLPAPER_standard_DLCC.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Can't help but NOT see it after someone mentioned it, its all speculation but... [sp]They have very similar eyes[/sp][img]http://i.imgur.com/JWOWO9W.gif[/img]
The avatar potential is limitless
Cool cosplay done by Anna Ormeli. [IMG]https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/995955_419859901466676_2038232413_n.jpg[/IMG]
Jeez we're not even a day into it and people are doing fanart and cosplay
Yeah, but Anna is the one Irrational modeled Liz's face after because her cosplay was just so good, so it makes sense for her to cosplay as new Rapture Elizabeth aswell. [url]http://irrationalgames.com/insider/we-love-our-bioshock-cosplayers-so-much-we-hired-one/[/url] [sp]also, Anna Ormelli cosplays as Elizabeth, and her real name is Anna. inside joke?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Retyuoligkl;41661934]oooooooh man [IMG]http://www.bioshockinfinite.com/images/media/downloads/WALLPAPER_standard_DLCC.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Aw man I hope this doesn't mean that Elizabeths gameplay is just the same as Bookers.
I just hope there's no Little Sister escorting
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;41651893]If they do, I can totally see feminist "gamer" outrages over it[/QUOTE] why the "inverted commas"? i'm pretty sure feminists or even (gasp) [b]real girls[/b] (with boobs and everything!!!!!!) play and enjoy games [editline]1st August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Takuat;41652076]Waifu fags are already freaking out because their innocent waifu is smoking even though it's not even the same character. And the whole slutting thing I mean acting the whole femme fatale role she seems to have this time round by alluring the main character and other characters so she can use them to her advantage. Bad wording on my part, sorry.[/QUOTE] femme fatale =/= "slutting it up" and yeah whenever I see women smoking I'm like fuck yeah what a slut know what that cigarette should be MY DICK
Is it true this DLC will have Sky Rails? Please say it isn't.
[QUOTE=JesterUK;41673205]Is it true this DLC will have Sky Rails? Please say it isn't.[/QUOTE] if it does then the gameplay is gonna be underwhelming as fuck because you know that they haven't gone to much effort to differentiate it
[QUOTE=J!NX;41658547]"Dull and BORING" "AVERAGE TO GOOD STORY" Bioshock all around has a very above average story, no matter how much "Boring" the game is. Have you even beat the game? The ending DEFINES what a good story is all about. Fuck, do you even understand what the stories meaning is? i really don't see how you can call the story average when no other a"average" story really exists like it. [editline]31st July 2013[/editline] Jesus Christ thinks all DLC across the board is "Evil" "Horrible" "GREEDY", even the kind thats OK. You know, the kind well after the game was made that wasn't even a thing when the game was released, and actually has NEW content, is secondary to the story at most. no, just the DLC that actually IS "Evil" "Horrible" "GREEDY", like 15$ for 3 maps, or 20$ to unlock everything in a game. or day 1 DLC that has shitload of actual needed story info. 1 day DLC for a character, etc.[/QUOTE] ugh this is all just new-age "STORY IS EVERYTHING" journalistic bullshit i play a game for [b]gameplay[/b] and you flat out admitted in the third sentence that the game is pretty boring [b]that being said,[/b] going back to rapture will allow them to make alphas that aren't feral and pretty fun to fight because it will [i]hopefully[/i] be like fighting an enemy equal to yourself (look at who you play as in Bioshock 2)
[QUOTE=TWPTooth;41673297]ugh this is all just new-age "STORY IS EVERYTHING" journalistic bullshit i play a game for [b]gameplay[/b] and you flat out admitted in the third sentence that the game is pretty boring[/QUOTE] how is saying 'story is important too' some 'new age' hippy bullshit? i'd argue that story and gameplay can be more or less important in different contexts; e.g. in a pure sanbox game the gameplay is all that matters while in, idk, a visual novel it's all about the story. BI DID compromise its gameplay in favour of story I do not deny that, but it still worked
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;41673146]why the "inverted commas"? i'm pretty sure feminists or even (gasp) [b]real girls[/b] (with boobs and everything!!!!!!) play and enjoy games[/QUOTE] what the fuck i already explained this I'm not referring to all feminists, only to the "gamer" ones (the inverted commas being there because I'm not talking about actual gamers who happen to be feminists, but instead the infamous ones who call themselves gamers for the sake of having more credit when complaining about things in games, such as whoever that one chick who complained about mirror's edge having complex control schemes was)
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;41673490]what the fuck i already explained this I'm not referring to all feminists, only to the "gamer" ones (the inverted commas being there because I'm not talking about actual gamers who happen to be feminists, but instead the infamous ones who call themselves gamers just so that they have more credit when complaining about things in games)[/QUOTE] which ones are these?
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;41673358]how is saying 'story is important too' some 'new age' hippy bullshit? i'd argue that story and gameplay can be more or less important in different contexts; e.g. in a pure sanbox game the gameplay is all that matters while in, idk, a visual novel it's all about the story. BI DID compromise its gameplay in favour of story I do not deny that, but it still worked[/QUOTE] I cannot understand what manufactured you to want story to be a bigger factor in games, than [i]gameplay[/i], but I do pity you. See, if I couldn't have fun in a game simply because its story wasn't up to par with a book or movie, then I wouldn't really want to play video[i]games[/i] anymore
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;41673490](such as whoever that one chick who complained about mirror's edge having complex control schemes was)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;41673525][/QUOTE] lole 'that one chick' anita sarkeesian has demonstrably played a shitload of games; as for her opinion on simplifying the mirrors edge controls it makes no sense so me but I'm pretty sure I haven't heard the context for that. regardless even if it was as retarded as it sounds the fact remains she's still a "gamer" as in someone who plays games
what's wrong with me not knowing her name? and there is no context needed, it was a stupid notion in any way you see it, and her having played a shitload of games doesn't seem to make any difference as in, she has declared a lot of stuff that you'd hear from someone who hasn't had any experience whatsoever but also, why start a shitstorm? I mean, if I had said something like "wow I bet there's a lot of "gamers" out there who'd like this", everyone would have taken it as "people who think they're gamers", but since I said "feminist "gamers" wouldn't like this", people take it as "no feminists can be true gamers"?
[QUOTE=TWPTooth;41673297]ugh this is all just new-age "STORY IS EVERYTHING" journalistic bullshit i play a game for [b]gameplay[/b] and you flat out admitted in the third sentence that the game is pretty boring [b]that being said,[/b] going back to rapture will allow them to make alphas that aren't feral and pretty fun to fight because it will [i]hopefully[/i] be like fighting an enemy equal to yourself (look at who you play as in Bioshock 2)[/QUOTE] I thought Night Sky, Stealth Bastard, Hard Reset, Garrys mod, UT99, Serious Sam, TF2, and a bunch of other games that don't focus a lot of the game on story are amazing games. Some even have nearly NO story Mars: War logs is a game about story, and suffers because of a poor one (and poor... everything but thats not the point). Then Bioshock Series, is very fun ( I didn't say the game was boring, I said no matter how "Boring" the game is, in, the sense that, even if you find it boring, the games story is still well above average... because he called it "BORING"), and the story would ruin the game a very large amount of the storyline was poor. Story is very important in many many games. Without a good story, these games will turn very terrible and much more bland. Why? Because theres no longer a PUSH onto the next "Mission", there's no logic behind the next scene and all that other shit. Some games can allow this, but Fallout and Bioshock and Far Cry 3 and GTA series simply NEED a good story otherwise it'll VERY MUCH kill a lot of the fun. Story, Audio, Visuals, are all just as important as gameplay in some cases, however this varies on a lot of things. And, a LOT of things, is meant when it's said. Most games need good audio, visuals and Story to go along WITH the gameplay. This is why Gnomeria can fail for example, its pretty much all gameplay. Most of the time gameplay is most important, obviously, but gameplay and all 3 of the other 'element's REALLY go hand in hand. just like spies masks when he's disguised and on your team, thats a visual mechanic to tell you something. As well as Good soundtrack to keep flow, dialog, etc. Without music, somegames can even become very boring, and horror games ESPECIALLY VERY MUCH NEED non music audio such as screams and such that are good, in fact, that is literally a part of the gameplay itself. also, "NEW AGE journalist bullshit" oh my god is that for real, being told a story is a huge part of games and its been a huge part for a very long time now. What are you, stuck in the late 80's? god damn, get with the picture [QUOTE=TWPTooth;41673523]I cannot understand what manufactured you to want story to be a bigger factor in games, than [i]gameplay[/i], but I do pity you. See, if I couldn't have fun in a game simply because its story wasn't up to par with a book or movie, then I wouldn't really want to play video[i]games[/i] anymore[/QUOTE] I never said story is more important for gameplay (not that you said I did). But it is very important. Sometimes, yeah, the story IS more important (Dear Esther) but thats kind of insanely rare and needs a game thats actually ABOUT the story that being said if GMod had a campaign that'd be stupid
[QUOTE=Takuat;41671738]Aw man I hope this doesn't mean that Elizabeths gameplay is just the same as Bookers.[/QUOTE] Part of me actually hopes it is. I mean, with the whole [sp]alternate universes[/sp] thing, it'd make some sense if the roles between Booker and Elizabeth were reversed to some extent.
[QUOTE=J!NX;41674343]I thought Night Sky, Stealth Bastard, Hard Reset, Garrys mod, UT99, Serious Sam, TF2, and a bunch of other games that don't focus a lot of the game on story are amazing games. Some even have nearly NO story Mars: War logs is a game about story, and suffers because of a poor one (and poor... everything but thats not the point). Then Bioshock Series, is very fun ( I didn't say the game was boring, I said no matter how "Boring" the game is, in, the sense that, even if you find it boring, the games story is still well above average... because he called it "BORING"), and the story would ruin the game a very large amount of the storyline was poor. Story is very important in many many games. Without a good story, these games will turn very terrible and much more bland. Why? Because theres no longer a PUSH onto the next "Mission", there's no logic behind the next scene and all that other shit. Some games can allow this, but Fallout and Bioshock and Far Cry 3 and GTA series simply NEED a good story otherwise it'll VERY MUCH kill a lot of the fun. Story, Audio, Visuals, are all just as important as gameplay in some cases, however this varies on a lot of things. And, a LOT of things, is meant when it's said. Most games need good audio, visuals and Story to go along WITH the gameplay. This is why Gnomeria can fail for example, its pretty much all gameplay. Most of the time gameplay is most important, obviously, but gameplay and all 3 of the other 'element's REALLY go hand in hand. just like spies masks when he's disguised and on your team, thats a visual mechanic to tell you something. As well as Good soundtrack to keep flow, dialog, etc. Without music, somegames can even become very boring, and horror games ESPECIALLY VERY MUCH NEED non music audio such as screams and such that are good, in fact, that is literally a part of the gameplay itself. also, "NEW AGE journalist bullshit" oh my god is that for real, I never said story is more important for gameplay (not that you said I did). But it is very important. Sometimes, yeah, the story IS more important (Dear Esther) but thats kind of insanely rare and needs a game thats actually ABOUT the story that being said if GMod had a campaign that'd be stupid[/QUOTE] I'm [i]literally[/i] having trouble understanding what you actually mean with all of those grammar and sentence structure mistakes. Also you have a problem with going off track, halfway through you started talking about the spies mask being a visual cue in TF2 and that literally has no segway into what we're talking about, I'm sorry but really, your point is all over the place. I can't follow it.
[QUOTE=TWPTooth;41673523]See, if I couldn't have fun in a game simply because its story wasn't up to par with a book or movie, then I wouldn't really want to play video[i]games[/i] anymore[/QUOTE] Appreciating a good story in a video game with or without grade-A gameplay isn't the same as being outright unable to enjoy a game that lacks a good story. People can enjoy a video game with great gameplay and crap story just as much as they can enjoy a game with uninteresting gameplay for its intriguing story. If I can read a book for its story I can darn well play a video game for its story.
[QUOTE=TWPTooth;41674464]I'm [i]literally[/i] having trouble understanding what you actually mean with all of those grammar and sentence structure mistakes.[/QUOTE] I don't see that many. You couldn't understand a much shorter post, maybe you're just incapable if understand this one? I really don't understand why you can't just read the thing. You'd have to be foolish to not understand how story and gameplay, as well as visuals and audio additionally can go hand in hand with gameplay. [QUOTE=TWPTooth;41674464]Also you have a problem with going off track, halfway through you started talking about the spies mask being a visual cue in TF2 and that literally has no segway into what we're talking about, I'm sorry but really, your point is all over the place. I can't follow it.[/QUOTE] thats because I'm trying to talk about more than just what makes a game, story alone doesn't do that, you also need more than gameplay and story mainly because something tells me you'd complain about people wanting "graphics focused games" Some games suffer from no story, others are amazing because of it.
[QUOTE=Anonymous?;41674444]Part of me actually hopes it is. I mean, with the whole [sp]alternate universes[/sp] thing, it'd make some sense if the roles between Booker and Elizabeth were reversed to some extent.[/QUOTE] "Elizabeth, catch!"
[QUOTE=J!NX;41674490]I don't see that many. You couldn't understand a much shorter post, maybe you're just incapable if understand this one? I really don't understand why you can't just read the thing. You'd have to be foolish to not understand how story and gameplay, as well as visuals and audio additionally can go hand in hand with gameplay.[/QUOTE] Okay if you're just going to straight up go into "you can't understand my vision you're dumb lel u cant reed", then you're trying too hard to win(?) this discussion and you're not worth anymore key strokes. [QUOTE=TWPTooth;41674566] the games story is still well above average... because he called it "BORING"), and the story would ruin the game a very large amount of the storyline was poor.[/QUOTE] Ugh and you had the nerve to make me out to be stupid... Everyone likes to jump to quick little zingers to win "arguments" now it seems.
[QUOTE=TWPTooth;41674566]Okay if you're just going to straight up go into "you can't understand my vision you're dumb lel", then you're trying too hard to win(?) this discussion and you're not worth anymore key strokes.[/QUOTE] No, its because you pretty much don't seem to try to understand what I was actually saying. that and "ugh this is all just new-age "STORY IS EVERYTHING" journalistic bullshit" doesn't even make sense... are you stuck in the late 80's? Story has been a major part of games for a long time now. At least over 10 years at best. How is that "New age journalist bullshit" [QUOTE=TWPTooth;41674566]Ugh and you have the nerve to make me out to be stupid... Everyone likes to jump to quick little zingers to win "arguments" now it seems.[/QUOTE] Now I've literally not a clue what you're actually trying to say. That a large post I actually thought out is nothing but a big "Zinger grab" How is that a zinger? I was right, you don't even want to read anything, I actually feel like the only one here that wants a quick little zinger is you. Yeah no wonder I called you stupid (indirectly). You don't even try to read and understand. And I can see this because you obviously glanced through then tried to 'dissect' the paragraphs. Some people have spent hours and hours talking about the games story and nothing else, thats how important story can be.
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