[QUOTE=milkandcooki;44143341]she has a really good point about the gendered products
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like, what???[/QUOTE]
So what, there are tons more of gender neutral ear plugs like this
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Those that you posted are just a gimmick to stand out in the wide ocean of gender neutral products. It is basicly marketing to make people remember that stuff.
So she talks about 2 things. Gender roles and hating on people for not sticking out of gender roles which she referred to as femmephobia.
Everything about expectations how people should behave based on their gender is bullshit and just hurtful. Gender specific legos are giant bullshit. I don't mind variety, maybe someone wants to play with tanks and someone wants to play with dogs and cats but forcing kids to chose the sets is terrible. And so the black manly iron isn't a problem by itself, the problem is when men can only use the black ones and can't possibly use the pink or white one or else they'll be a fag or something.
So that was about demanding men to behave masculine and demanding women to behave feminine. Now the opposite, hating on women for being so feminine... that shit came from some weird branches of feminism. It's not a trend of thinking that feminine things are worse than masculine. It's a trend of thinking that not sticking out of gender roles is sustaining and supporting gender roles. You can't be a masculine man either, even she makes fun of that in the beginning of the vid.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;44143576]I disagree. It's damaging and stupid to insinuate this kind of bullshit in the 21st century. There's absolutely [I]nothing[/I] inherently "manly" or "feminine" about the color pink, dresses, bullets, GIANT BOLD METAL TEXT, the smell of gasoline, etc. Like, look at Lego for example.
Compare the lego sets targeted towards little girls...
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... to the ones targeted towards boys.
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What's the point? The "girly" lego kits have bleh color palettes, less pieces, and less variety. Do they make planes, ships, city sets, cars, tanks, ninja battles, [I]cool licensed shit,[/I] and all that bullshit that's targeted towards girls? No, they don't, because the dumb fucking suits at Lego think that they'll make fat stacks by making kits based off of completely archaic gender roles. Last time I checked [I]kids [/I]who like Lego like to BUILD SHIT, not play around with like 1 solid pink premade megablocks-tier block. (It's fucking dumb and shouldn't exist. There's literally no justification for any of this shit.
The only time gender/sex-targeted marketing could be [I]remotely[/I] justified is if it's something specific to someone's sex, like condoms for male genitals, tampons, bras, or something else like that.[/QUOTE]
Do the boxes specifically say "Only for boys!"? How should the box of the Batman toy look like to cater more to girls? Should it be pink? What do you want? If a girl wants LEGO friends then she should be able to get it, and because this stuff still exists, it is probably what some girls want. On the one hand you complain about it being too gendery, but not giving any solution to the so called "problem" (which doesn´t exist, companies don´t force any agenda, all they care about is money. And it worked pretty well so far). Do you want to get rid of Barbie, too? How do you know what girls want? You are not one.
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I don´t see anything genderspecific here. It is pretty neutral. Just like with male clothing. I don´t want to wear female clothing because female clothing emphasizes on the round curves of a woman. Female clothing is simply not gender neutral.
[QUOTE=MittRomney;44146259]Do the boxes specifically say "Only for boys!"? How should the box of the Batman toy look like to cater more to girls? Should it be pink? What do you want? If a girl wants LEGO friends then she should be able to get it, and because this stuff still exists, it is probably what some girls want. On the one hand you complain about it being too gendery, but not giving any solution to the so called "problem" (which doesn´t exist, companies don´t force any agenda, all they care about is money. And it worked pretty well so far). Do you want to get rid of Barbie, too? How do you know what girls want? You are not one.
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I don´t see anything genderspecific here. It is pretty neutral. Just like with male clothing. I don´t want to wear female clothing because female clothing emphasizes on the round curves of a woman. Female clothing is simply not gender neutral.[/QUOTE]
Two things. One, companies only care for money so they market their products clearly for boys and girls because that's what the society expects. Like you said, they don't care about anything else than money, if making the boxes for girls pink and making the boxes for buys black/blue/gray wasn't profitable, they wouldn't do it.
Two, technic by itself isn't gender specific, but if you compare it to the legos marketed for girls, which are pretty much all pink and with little hearts above the letter i , then you clearly see they are gender marketed.
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;44143540]The point is literally "why"
Just
Earplugs
Here, buy these earplugs
Why is there even a need to market gender wise. I'm even wondering why at all. Not even "Oh, it should be equal!" but rather... What made them think "we need to sell these by gender?" I can't imagine.[/QUOTE]
By selling them by Gender you can make twice the profit off of idiots.
people called me a fag because i wore purple pants a few years back
i think purple is a great color.
I don't really care or value received gender roles, and these facts were fairly obvious. But what I can't escape is the irony of combating these things whilst keeping her cleavage more apparent, centered, and steady throughout the whole video than her face; even throughout the jump cuts where her head is all over the place, there's her low cut shirt hardly holstering those big wobbly things.
But anyways, yes this type of marketing has been going on for decades. Look at old tobacco adverts, most of those were targeting younger to mid-aged men. If there was ever an insight to advertisement propaganda, the tobacco industry is it.
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[QUOTE=Limed00d;44146483]people called me a fag because i wore purple pants a few years back
i think purple is a great color.[/QUOTE]
My dad has called me a fag, retard, prick, etc. any time I've disagreed with him, or worn anything he didn't like. I've never really had the mind to pay attention to what anyone else had called me while I was younger. Though I assure you, I would have never worn purple then. Basic T-shirt and jeans it was.
Valid points but why does she have the camera so damn low? I feel like I'm ducking under something the whole time.
[QUOTE=Viper_;44147769]Valid points but why does she have the camera so damn low? I feel like I'm ducking under something the whole time.[/QUOTE]
How else is she going to keep her substantial cleavage in view?
Maybe I'm being a bit of a captain obvious here, but has anyone considered the possibility that companies market their products this way [b]because it works[/b]?
If I had a product, and making it pink while targetting it at women would mean an increase in sales, I would make my product pink and target it at women.
People use ear dildos?
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;44143341]she has a really good point about the gendered products
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like, what???[/QUOTE]
I always felt that these products are so over the top and hilarious that it's taking a piss on gender roles. It's making me feel ashamed to be my gender and thus making me more gender neutral.
I cannot imagine anyone buying these because they're actually cute or cool.
[QUOTE=MittRomney;44146259]Do the boxes specifically say "Only for boys!"? How should the box of the Batman toy look like to cater more to girls? Should it be pink?[/quote]
That's the fucking point. Why DOES it need to cater to girls? Or boys? And why do we have specific things that appeal to the two sexes? Are women naturally fond of the color pink? Are men's brains hardwired to like fast cars? The answer is, of course, no. Gender roles are what tell boys to be manly and girls to be girly, and that's what he was talking about
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[QUOTE=V12US;44147931]Maybe I'm being a bit of a captain obvious here, but has anyone considered the possibility that companies market their products this way [b]because it works[/b]?
If I had a product, and making it pink while targetting it at women would mean an increase in sales, I would make my product pink and target it at women.[/QUOTE]
Nobody's arguing against that though? What people are saying is that the fact that it works is bad, because it only perpetuates stupid ideals
Since we're having a Lego argument, I think they were just trying to reach a wider audience. Those girly sets didn't exist until like the early 2000s if I'm not mistaken.
I personally don't see the harm of targeting your product towards a specific gender, it's just pure and simple marketing. Even with the dumb earplugs. When a woman walks through a store and sees the gender neutral earplugs and then the pink ones right next to it, isn't there a chance she'll go for the pink ones eventually? Ridiculous example but it's exactly what companies are trying to achieve.
But in the end you can still buy whatever the fuck you want so w/e really.
[QUOTE=Larry_G;44149072]Since we're having a Lego argument, I think they were just trying to reach a wider audience. Those girly sets didn't exist until like the early 2000s if I'm not mistaken.
I personally don't see the harm of targeting your product towards a specific gender, it's just pure and simple marketing. Even with the dumb earplugs. When a woman walks through a store and sees the gender neutral earplugs and then the pink ones right next to it, isn't there a chance she'll go for the pink ones eventually? Ridiculous example but it's exactly what companies are trying to achieve.
But in the end you can still buy whatever the fuck you want so w/e really.[/QUOTE]
Gender specific marketing isn't the problem it's a symptom of a problem which is that there are toys for girls and toys for boys and if they use toys for the other gender then there's something wrong with them. If it wasn't like that, you wouldn't have gender specific products.
[QUOTE=Limed00d;44146483]people called me a fag because i wore purple pants a few years back
i think purple is a great color.[/QUOTE]
Since when is purple considered a feminine colour?
[QUOTE=V12US;44147931]Maybe I'm being a bit of a captain obvious here, but has anyone considered the possibility that companies market their products this way [b]because it works[/b]?[/QUOTE]
the ability for people to completely miss the point in these threads is always amazing
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Now I can sleep at night, knowing that there are CAT-5 cables designed SPECIFICALLY for girls, the shiny stones guiding them as they perform the insurmountable task of cord management. :v:
[QUOTE=Limed00d;44146483]people called me a fag because i wore purple pants a few years back
i think purple is a great color.[/QUOTE]
Roman Emperors wore Purple.
They were pretty gay sometimes.
I remember a month or two ago someone tried to protest a show I was in because it "supported the gay cross-dressing transvestite agenda."
It was a Scottish culture production and I was one of the bagpipers, and most of us were wearing kilts, of course.
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Now I can sleep at night, knowing that there are CAT-5 cables designed SPECIFICALLY for girls, the shiny stones guiding them as they perform the insurmountable task of cord management. :v:[/QUOTE]
Thaaaaats for breast cancer dude.
I used coconut shampoo once because it was on sale
it was nice
[QUOTE=V12US;44147931]Maybe I'm being a bit of a captain obvious here, but has anyone considered the possibility that companies market their products this way [b]because it works[/b]?
If I had a product, and making it pink while targetting it at women would mean an increase in sales, I would make my product pink and target it at women.[/QUOTE]
just because the shitty marketing works doesn't mean that it's not detrimental. every time a company comes out with a ~for her~ gardening trowel or a >>>BOOOYYSSSS ONLY<<<< razor, they're upholding pointless gender roles.
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