Yale students sign petition to repeal the first amendment - General

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49333975]This is people being ignorant, not hating the first amendment.[/QUOTE] If you read the comments from people who were there, a lot of them just said anything to shoo the guy away. Those that actually engaged in conversation with him had their words twisted and carefully edited with jump cuts and omitting a majority of the encounter. I haven't seen a single person who has said they explicit supported abolishing the first amendment altogether. Are people really this desperate to find some excuse to hate on ESS JAY DOUBLEYAs that they rely on a [i]satirical segment[/i] on Fox news of all places? Furthermore, I thought you were all about ethics in journalism? You can't claim to support ethics in journalism in one post, then go and take at face value a news report using the blatantly unethical techniques of careful video editing and reporting of satirical clips as actual news in the next post. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Ban me longer if I twist an argument into SJW, feminism, etc" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49333975]This is people being ignorant, not hating the first amendment.[/QUOTE] It's all about the wording, really, and this is the problem with petitions, you are going to get people who sign just because they were mislead into doing so through the charisma of the petitioner, even if it's not what they really believe in. If you were to do an actual, unbiased survey, or a simple opinion poll on any sample of the population of Yale students, and asked them plainly if they would like to repeal the First Amendment to remove protections for hate speech and microagressions, you would find that basically none of them want the First Amendment repealed. This is why petitions like this aren't really legally binding. And the fact that they aren't legally binding makes people not take them seriously either.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;49334105]If you read the comments from people who were there, a lot of them just said anything to shoo the guy away. Those that actually engaged in conversation with him had their words twisted and carefully edited with jump cuts and omitting a majority of the encounter. I haven't seen a single person who has said they explicit supported abolishing the first amendment altogether. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Wowza!;49333069] [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6909475/ShareX/2015/12/2015-12-16_20-36-52.png[/IMG] [/QUOTE] You can just say "no" to people asking you to sign a petition. Also, adding a clause that basically "protects peoples feelings" undermines the entire amendment, practically abolishing it.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49334192]You can just say "no" to people asking you to sign a petition. Also, adding a clause that basically "protects peoples feelings" undermines the entire amendment, practically abolishing it.[/QUOTE] You likely won't. A petitioner REALLY wants you to sign its petition, either because he or she doesn't get paid unless they really get a bunch of signatures, or because they're the ones who made the petition itself and its on their best interest for you to sign it. They will accost you and phrase the petition's question in a way they think you will reply positively for. Again, they're not legally binding, people will just sign it so the petitioner fucks off. Even then, the question is idiotic, you don't need to repeal the First Amendment to add a clause for hate speech. Freedom of speech per se isn't absolute, libelous statements and defamation are covered by tort law, and hate speech that will lead to immediate violence is indeed illegal, the Supreme Court has decided as such. You can thank Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church for guaranteeing your right to spew hate in a way that doesn't immediately trigger violence, which is a protection SJWs can't really take away from you.

[QUOTE=Killer900;49332985]This video is really just the equivalent of the "Americans are dumb" video where they ask people questions and cherry pick the 10 dumb people out of a pool of like over 100. Really it is pretty sad that people actually agreed to this but he also didn't show us all of the people who said "no" or "that's a terrible idea".[/QUOTE] Yeah, show me the B-roll of the people who told him to get lost.

i would def not be stupid enough to think this video had not been edited selectively but at the same time its generally a bad idea to sign anything youre not fully in support of whether its a petition or otherwise. if someone runs up to me and tries to get me to sign a petition i will plainly tell them, "no, thank you." pretty much regardless of what it is because petitions are stupid and im not going to do something just to "get them to leave me alone".. just walk away

If I can tell someone "in New York City who's trying to get me to "donate" 20 bucks to them for their mixtape "no" (Even after I told them no repeatedly and they're standing there trying to get me to go to the ATM around the corner), I'm pretty sure anyone can say "no" to a petition they don't agree with.

the fact that a) some of you chose to believe a Fox News bit comic addicted to jump cuts over your gut instinct and b) had to wait for Wowza's post and then probably ignored it says everything anyone reasonable needs to know about this

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49334797]the fact that a) some of you chose to believe a Fox News bit comic addicted to jump cuts over your gut instinct and b) had to wait for Wowza's post and then probably ignored it says everything anyone reasonable needs to know about this[/QUOTE] There are plenty of videos that are more honest about the subject. People are prioritizing feelings over free speech and instead of it being moralist religious nuts defending their god its progressive nuts trying to protect minorities. [video=youtube;i_4-BqSIUD8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_4-BqSIUD8[/video] [video=youtube;xRlRAyulN4o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRlRAyulN4o[/video]

This is very good news. The constitution has no place in a modern progressive society. Hopefully soon America will become a trigger-free safe space for all women, men, intersex, transwomen, transmen, xegendered, panninites, xanites, pabloonas, rokarizans, floorbees, dicklicknisess, bantachabbas, banbamkooparfakaz, charkazintangs, zipzapzippyzoops and all other of the current but expanding list of 520,769 binary, non-binary, transbinary and interzenbinary (including not otherwise specified) genders and gender identities.

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;49335129]This is very good news. The constitution has no place in a modern progressive society. Hopefully soon America will become a trigger-free safe space for all women, men, intersex, transwomen, transmen, xegendered, panninites, xanites, pabloonas, rokarizans, floorbees, dicklicknisess, bantachabbas, banbamkooparfakaz, charkazintangs, zipzapzippyzoops and all other of the current but expanding list of 520,769 binary, non-binary, transbinary and interzenbinary (including not otherwise specified) [B]genders and gender identities.[/B][/QUOTE] Or lack thereof, you insensitive little shit. :v:

[QUOTE=Big Bang;49334382]You likely won't. A petitioner REALLY wants you to sign its petition[/QUOTE] Saying no and/or speed walking away takes less effort than signing. I don't see what you mean.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49335301]Saying no and/or speed walking away takes less effort than signing. I don't see what you mean.[/QUOTE] I don't see what [I]you[/I] mean. Literally what even is the point of arguing about people responding to people like petitioners? While stating they could have said no is valid, it is also valid to assume that people react differently in order to make a petitioner go away. It's almost as if everyone is different! Crazy shit, right?

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49335301]Saying no and/or speed walking away takes less effort than signing. I don't see what you mean.[/QUOTE] Ok since apparently you struggle to understand why petitions are biased, the simplest reason why they obtain skewed results is because you either sign agreeing to the petition, or you don't sign at all, in the end, it is only keeping track of the amount of people who signed, disregarding entirely what part of the population was surveyed, and what part of those who were asked and decided not to sign were in fact disagreeing or just indifferent. It also means that the petitioner can push an agenda by just manipulating the petition's question until they get somebody to sign, because their only interest is to get people to sign, regardless of what they think. The amount of signatures on a petition don't mean anything at all. If you presented this as a poll, with a simple yes-or-no question "Would you like to repeal the First Amendment?", and kept it up until you reached a significant sample of the total population (Yale has like 10000 students, the answers of just 50 people is not representative enough, another demerit for the petition in the video), you would get different results. With all the variables being taken into account, you can then make correct, scientifically valid assumptions about the Yale alumni population, but until then these petitions are nothing but shams fishing for views, they're telling you what you want to hear.

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[QUOTE=Octavius;49338326]To be fair, the Constitution is backwards, outdated, and oppressive.[/QUOTE] I'd like to hear more about this, can you elaborate?

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49335301]Saying no and/or speed walking away takes less effort than signing. I don't see what you mean.[/QUOTE] You're trying too hard.

[QUOTE=woolio1;49333273]College student here. Feelings are overrated. Give me more coffee, and you can insult me all you want.[/QUOTE] Coffee? Give me free credits and you can own me.

[QUOTE=Octavius;49338326]To be fair, the Constitution is backwards, outdated, and oppressive. Just look at the reasoning for and effects of many of its pieces and this is plainly seen. Amendments have helped change this in practice, but its still true. It's not like this is some extremely fringe position or one that supports the removal of good pieces of it.[/QUOTE] The way your voting system works is kinda oppressive (meant to give masses less representation) but they amended the black people stuff quite quite a while ago. [editline]17th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;49340184]You're trying too hard.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Big Bang;49337033]Ok since apparently you struggle to understand why petitions are biased, the simplest reason why they obtain skewed results is because you either sign agreeing to the petition...[/QUOTE] People are signing these petitions in the first place. It obviously means that people hold these views. Also, linked videos earlier in the thread showing that college goers (a sizable chunk at least) support censorship in the name of protecting feelings and stated that amending the 1st amendment to protect feelings is practically appealing it.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49340303]People are signing these petitions in the first place. It obviously means that people hold these views. Also, linked videos earlier in the thread showing that college goers (a sizable chunk at least) support censorship in the name of protecting feelings and stated that amending the 1st amendment to protect feelings is practically appealing it.[/QUOTE] It doesn't mean jack because it isn't objective, it isn't scientific, and it's edited for effect. You don't know if the students that want censorship are nothing more than a vocal minority because you don't have anything following an actual methodology to back that up. You're falling victim to the manipulations of a group with an agenda.

I don't even understand what you're trying to prove ranger. It's clearly edited to show a specific and most likely untrue and unfounded message

[QUOTE=capital;49332477]these people will be the downfall of america[/QUOTE] they already run the country anyways, the class reunions have practically enough government and corporate officials to be considered a state of the union gathering. these types of videos can be misleading though because they can edit out the 100 "you crazy man" responses and keep all the insane yes responses

[QUOTE=Sableye;49340863] these types of videos can be misleading though because they can edit out the 100 "you crazy man" responses and keep all the insane yes responses[/QUOTE] The Yale protests were a pretty big deal and had quite a bit of support.

[QUOTE=bdd458;49332969]Someone in my friend's PolySci class actually said that the constitution is entirely "Oppresive and Backwards", so I wouldn't be surprised if that individual would sign something like this.[/QUOTE] not to stereotype but [quote]PolySci class[/quote] this isn't exactly the best place to get common sense opinions, the politicical science majors i know are great at making black = white to fit their mindset [editline]17th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;49340877]The Yale protests were a pretty big deal and had quite a bit of support.[/QUOTE] i'm just saying that this guy could have cut out the 100 no answers and only chosen to show the yes answers, he doesn't make a point whether people disagreed with him at any time

These stupid fucks are [I]ruining america[/I]

[QUOTE=Bynine;49332736]real life is the scariest movie of all because you can't turn it off[/QUOTE] You can with a helium tank.

[QUOTE=Wowza!;49333069]This video was heavily edited to make it seem that students were wholeheartedly agreeing with the idea of repealing the 1st Amendment, when most of the students were either saying vaguely positive things to make the guy go away or agreeing with the idea of an alternative amendment. I'm currently a student here, and this is what students who appeared in the video are saying on Facebook. [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6909475/ShareX/2015/12/2015-12-16_20-36-52.png[/IMG] [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6909475/ShareX/2015/12/2015-12-16_20-16-29.png[/IMG] You can clearly see the person in the second post at 1:05 about to say something else before the editing cuts him off, and similar things appear to happen to other people in the video. I really hate revealing personal information over the Internet, but I feel like someone had to clear things up.[/QUOTE] This was the kind of thing i thought might have happened. Most youtubers are not to be trusted, they WILL fake stuff for views, especially this kind with lots of edits and "social experiment" shit. Not that you should never trust them, quite a few have built up good reputations but when there's so much editing involved from a nobody whose channel looks like this... also the shit eating smile.

yeah if some guy came up to me while I'm walking to class or some shit I'd just be dismissive or be "oh yeah sure no problem" because I know that scrawling a fucking scribble on a board isn't going to remove the first amendment. There's plenty of examples of college youth being dumb, no need to manufacture ones.

I would just say sorry not interested,.