This automatic un-sub shit has been bugging me for weeks. Glad it's not just me.
YouTube does mess with other things too for some reason they blocked searching "Pulp fiction soundtrack ".
Good. Maybe this will breed competition.
[QUOTE=Toothpick;51446885]Because it's a hobby. Not a career. You're not being contracted OR being employed. It is not a job.[/QUOTE]
We pay taxes filed under independent contractors.
The IRS sees it as a job.
That's as real as it's gonna get.
[QUOTE=Smoovedawg1;51449423]Good. Maybe this will breed competition.[/QUOTE]
As far as I know, youtube operates at a loss, that's why we haven't got any real competitors so far.
That plus they got their fingers in the door with so many under the table shady contracts with viacom and such.
[QUOTE=Toothpick;51446969]But, he is literally being holier-then-thou in this video complaining about Youtube treating them without the utmost respect. They are expecting to be thrown onto the front page because they have 2 million subs. He literally thinks he doesn't do anything wrong to be treated the way he's being treated.
I understand you guys like him but maybe you should take an outside perspective and try to understand why Youtube is throwing him under the bus; considering he makes a "YOUTUBE SUCKS!!!" video every couple of weeks.[/QUOTE]
Uhh, so what? I believe the point is that youtube is not treating their content creators fairly, not whether or not we like someone.
The subscription loss has basically destroyed any hope I ever had about possibly making a living off of animations & art on YouTube.
Below is my net subscriber gain between February this year to today. I gained a bit at the start of the year, only because of a collaboration I did with Markiplier. But after that, it's just been downhill. Even "successful" animations / videos I did really ended with a net [I]loss[/I] in subscribers.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/mqWr4Ii.png[/t]
Every time I upload a video now, regardless of subject matter, I'll lose on average ~200 subscribers. There's also a steady drop of ~5-10 unsubs a day. That's what the entire year has been. I've made videos like my old ones, I've made new attempts, I've made parodies, I've made original work. Anything I try presents a loss. Views can be decent like on an Overwatch animation I did around release, which hit 300k (in the graph you can see a small bump near the middle), but the constant sub loss negates the gain - and there's no viewer retention. And in the end, when only stuff like parodies rakes in views, it discourages original content.
All that, mixed with this and the experiences of people like RubberRoss, Egoraptor, PsychicPebbles, OneyNG and many other animators is that even if you're established since before, it's basically impossible to either [I]remain[/I] established or make a living as an animator or infrequent uploader on YouTube anymore. To me, personally, YouTube can't be more than a pet project where I put up something once every few months. I don't have the will or energy to put down the time and effort into working on something for a platform that is ultimately unfair & broken for the content me and other artists make.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51450136]The subscription loss has basically destroyed any hope I ever had about possibly making a living off of animations & art on YouTube.
Below is my net subscriber gain between February this year to today. I gained a bit at the start of the year, only because of a collaboration I did with Markiplier. But after that, it's just been downhill. Even "successful" animations / videos I did really ended with a net [I]loss[/I] in subscribers.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/mqWr4Ii.png[/t]
Every time I upload a video now, regardless of subject matter, I'll lose on average ~200 subscribers. There's also a steady drop of ~5-10 unsubs a day. That's what the entire year has been. I've made videos like my old ones, I've made new attempts, I've made parodies, I've made original work. Anything I try presents a loss. Views can be decent like on an Overwatch animation I did around release, which hit 300k (in the graph you can see a small bump near the middle), but the constant sub loss negates the gain - and there's no viewer retention. And in the end, when only stuff like parodies rakes in views, it discourages original content.
All that, mixed with this and the experiences of people like RubberRoss, Egoraptor, PsychicPebbles, OneyNG and many other animators is that even if you're established since before, it's basically impossible to either [I]remain[/I] established or make a living as an animator or infrequent uploader on YouTube anymore. To me, personally, YouTube can't be more than a pet project where I put up something once every few months. I don't have the will or energy to put down the time and effort into working on something for a platform that is ultimately unfair & broken for the content me and other artists make.[/QUOTE]
I don't even know that I should bother uploading with the situation as is. Not that I have much in the way of subscribers but if it literally hurts my channel to upload, why bother? Might as well let it sit there until this either sorts itself out or it becomes clear nobody has a future on youtube except pregnant elsa spiderman shit videos.
YouTube needs to understand, even if they themselves want longer videos/activity or whatever. Not all of the audience wants that. Some prefer shorter, more entertaining videos. Those viewers are left behind, in part that's damaging to YouTube as well.
I think the best thing Youtubers could do is to 'unionize' in a sense. Individuals are unable to do anything but complain and raise awareness, but Youtube has already proven they can just ignore that easily. If major youtubers banded together and started protesting in an organized manner or hell, even striking, Youtube would have to actually listen because youtubers would be hurting their income directly as well as devastating what PR they do have.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51450194]I think the best thing Youtubers could do is to 'unionize' in a sense. Individuals are unable to do anything but complain and raise awareness, but Youtube has already proven they can just ignore that easily. If major youtubers banded together and started protesting in an organized manner or hell, even striking, Youtube would have to actually listen because youtubers would be hurting their income directly as well as devastating what PR they do have.[/QUOTE]
Isn't that what companies like Polaris and stuff are for?
Cmon guys we have to get this video to 100 trillion likes!
#savehila
[QUOTE=Mmrnmhrm;51450537]Isn't that what companies like Polaris and stuff are for?[/QUOTE]
I don't think so? I think they mostly just protect youtubers from shit ass copyright strikes, give miscellaneous tools, and sort of function as a way to further your youtube channel. Most of them suck though. I don't really think they do the kind of thing I'm thinking about.
[QUOTE=Mmrnmhrm;51450537]Isn't that what companies like Polaris and stuff are for?[/QUOTE]
MCN's can help you with copyright disputes, some issues you might have with YouTube (kind of acting as a "middle man" in some cases). Primarily they manage the adsense stuff for you as opposed to doing it yourself, at the cost of ~30% of your revenue + usually setting an earnings limit (earn X amount a month or you don't get paid). The good thing with that is in for instance an animation-heavy MCN you might get more help and resources relevant to you (which is good), and relevant ads (movies & animation) which increases revenue. [I]Or at least that's how it works in theory, but I've never seen a difference.[/I]
[QUOTE=Mmrnmhrm;51450537]Isn't that what companies like Polaris and stuff are for?[/QUOTE]
I feel like that brings up another variable to look into with this whole mess; not just what channels are being affected, but what network those channels are under, if any.
If I recall correctly, Ethan went independent from MCN's a long time ago- did he ever join another one?
Since AdSense was mentioned, what is the difference between doing it yourself and letting a network do it for you? Isn't it automated anyway?
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;51450190]Unsubbing and videos not showing is unrelated to what page you visit. People had emails that get send for every new video not arrive.
I really shit this shit never getting fixed.
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The sub-box has never ever worked for me, most of the time it just doesn't tell me there are new ones out. And when it does, it's those old ones I've already watched. I just go through my subscriptions a couple of times a day.
[QUOTE=RB33;51451412]Since AdSense was mentioned, what is the difference between doing it yourself and letting a network do it for you? Isn't it automated anyway?[/QUOTE]
Like I said above, a network is (or at least this is what I was sold on when I signed on) supposed to tailor ads to be more relevant and more high value to your channel. Just being with adsense gives a little of everything, but a network focused on say gaming would acquire higher-paying game-related ads, and a network focused on short films would get movie trailers and so forth.
However, I've never noticed this on my own videos. I seem to get a mixed bag anyway.
Kind of unrelated to the topic, but I still wan't [URL="http://i.imgur.com/6j3kIC4.png"]channel backgrounds[/URL] back (not the channel banner, the actual background that you could customise)
[QUOTE=PortalModIV;51453723]Kind of unrelated to the topic, but I still wan't [URL="http://i.imgur.com/6j3kIC4.png"]channel backgrounds[/URL] back (not the channel banner, the actual background that you could customise)[/QUOTE]
I remember back in 2008 when you could have gifs as background on your YouTube Channel. It lagged the fuck out of everyone when there was 200 displays of the same gif but it was awesome
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