[QUOTE=Shoopiwoop;41278213]this game is bad.[/QUOTE]
oh ok thank you for telling me, i've been playing it for years but now that i know this i will stop
Why are people bashing other people who can't get into a game because it has god awful graphics which don't help at all how little intuitive it is? You lot are just going all elitist neckbeard and that's pathetic.
DF is one of my favourite games, it's fucking amazing, but you can't refuse that the game's graphics are absolutely terrible compared to those of modern games. While the graphics are actually like that on purpose to let your imagination run wild (as some of you have dickishly pointed out), not everyone is used to going from a very graphical game to one where everything is just letters numbers and symbols.
It is a hard change, and it takes a while to get used to, and not everyone has the patience or feels compelled enough to go through it. That's a fact and you can't discredit people automatically just because they aren't supreme DF master race.
Furthermore, while graphics are something that can be excused due to being designed like that in purpose, what really hurts DF is the lack of tutorials, explanations, or anything really. The game alone lacks any of that, and relies on the community to fulfill that role. While the community has done an excellent job at that, it still should be in the game, and it can be daunting for new players at first, especially if they don't have anyone tutoring them.
Additionally, the massive complexity is also a turn off for a lot of people. Not everyone wants to exprience such an overwhelming game, perhaps they just want to chill playing videogames without having to dedicate hours to learn the game, and hey, that's totally fine.
Realise as well that not everyone, especially those who've just heard about the game, knows why there are no graphics, why there's no tutorials yet, where are they, there's tilepacks, etc.
It's moronic to bash people for these obvious reasons. Not everyone forms part of the glorious ASCII-neckbeard master race, not everyone is looking for the same experience and not everyone is looking to dedicate the same amount of time. You're only going to turn off even more those who were already in the first place. The DF community is usually one of the friendliest ones, and acting like elitist douchebags is not going to help you at all. You should encourage people to take on this game helping them and all that yadda-dadda, not call them toddlers.
[editline]2nd July 2013[/editline]
DF is like modern art.
You can't understand modern art if you don't have some art history knowledge. People look at modern art and point out how simple, stupid and childish it is, but there's a reason for all of that. Wether once you value all of that, you take it seriously or not, that's up to you, but there's definitely some background to all of it.
People see DF just like modern art, they go all 'wtf is this shit why should i even care'.
If anyone needs help to get into DF the DF thread is one of the best places to go, we're generally pretty helpful.
[url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1250337]Over Here[/url]
[QUOTE=Doom14;41274734]It's daunting, but the keyboard controls end up being faster once you grit through them.
As for the graphics? Pff. It becomes like reading a book. You don't yell at books for bad graphics now do 'ye?[/QUOTE]
I can play DF well enough to the point that I'll give out advice and such to people, and can make forts last for the ages (if I was boring enough to wall myself in and not allow enemies / traders in) but my one main issue with DF is the inconsistancy of the controls. Want to designate an up/down stair? Easy, designate (d) and then that stair. (if memory serves, it's i) Want to build the same stair? Go to build constructions (b -> C), but then the same up/down stair is x instead of i. Not a problem after you know what you're doing, but it makes it hard to approach for newer players.
Then again, I imagine that Tarn will get around to adding consistancy to the UI once he's managed to simulate every individual nerve in a dorfs body. He's essentially focusing on chucking in features as fast as possible, and will get around to polsihing some time in the next 20 years. That glorious bastard. :v:
[t]http://horobox.co.uk/u/Orkel_1365836756.png[/t]
DF adventure mode in a nutshell.
[QUOTE=gnisasas;41279381]Why are people bashing other people who can't get into a game because it has god awful graphics which don't help at all how little intuitive it is? You lot are just going all elitist neckbeard and that's pathetic.
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The problem isn't that they can't get into it, the problem is that they're completely discrediting and/or bashing the game for the graphics and depth without even trying to understand what people enjoy about it.
I guarantee you if people in the thread were just like "meh, DF ain't my cup of tea" there wouldn't have been any stones thrown. But discrediting something based solely on your ignorance is insulting.
[QUOTE=Hoboiam;41281760]The problem isn't that they can't get into it, the problem is that they're completely discrediting and/or bashing the game for the graphics and depth without even trying to understand what people enjoy about it.
I guarantee you if people in the thread were just like "meh, DF ain't my cup of tea" there wouldn't have been any stones thrown. But discrediting something based solely on your ignorance is insulting.[/QUOTE]
Just like a lot of people do with modern art as I set in example, or a lot of other things. A good majority of people do just that, perhaps not you or perhaps it is you one of those, I don't know and I don't care, but there's some fucking hypocrisy around here all the time.
Someone being a moron doesn't give you a moral high ground regardless.
I only played this in adventure mode and I somehow was able to punch like 20 wild animals to death including a baby dragon and I rolled amazingly and bit off it's leg.
The actual game is way too hard for me, I tried looking at tutorials and stuff but the barrier is just too large for an action gamer like myself. I wish they would make the UI much more understandable as well.
[QUOTE=gnisasas;41282064]Just like a lot of people do with modern art as I set in example, or a lot of other things. A good majority of people do just that, perhaps not you or perhaps it is you one of those, I don't know and I don't care, but there's some fucking hypocrisy around here all the time.
Someone being a moron doesn't give you a moral high ground regardless.[/QUOTE]
My big thing is about giving credit where credit is due. I'd be saying the same thing if it was a thread about film or music. The product in question may not be for you, but don't go waving your dick around saying "man this sucks blah blah blah" when you literally have no knowledge about why people enjoy it or why it's impactful.
You may not like it, but respect the art.
[QUOTE=Hoboiam;41282419]My big thing is about giving credit where credit is due. I'd be saying the same thing if it was a thread about film or music. The product in question may not be for you, but don't go waving your dick around saying "man this sucks blah blah blah" when you literally have no knowledge about why people enjoy it or why it's impactful.
You may not like it, but respect the art.[/QUOTE]
Yes that's the point and what everyone should do, I do agree with that in the first place.
But not everyone follows that and they usually get eaten alive by those defending whatever in the first place. It's just especially frustrating when I see the same case happening with another subject, where suddenly it's okay to bash something with no real knowledge, and it happens too many times on FP, or anywhere really.
The way I see it, to understand just how good DF really is, all you really need to do is look in the forum.
When you see, and read, the players efforts at [B]domesticating and training war sharks to keep in their moats[/B], then you know how hardcore the game really is.
Not to mention the fact that insides the thread in question, someone offered help by linking to a thread where another person detailed how he'd [B]emptied out an ocean[/B] to catch a breeding pair of sea serpents, of the loch ness kind.
And why would people want to do either of those things?
Because it's FUN!
[QUOTE=gnisasas;41283834]Yes that's the point and what everyone should do, I do agree with that in the first place.
But not everyone follows that and they usually get eaten alive by those defending whatever in the first place. It's just especially frustrating when I see the same case happening with another subject, where suddenly it's okay to bash something with no real knowledge, and it happens too many times on FP, or anywhere really.[/QUOTE]
There's having legitimate complaints with a game, and then there's calling a game made by 2 people a horrible retroripoff piece of lazy shit and that he "played it for 5 minutes years ago"
That's not enough to come into a thread, shit all over the game and pretty much everyone playing it. It's not respectful, tasteful, or acceptable so there's no reason to be respectful, tasteful, or acceptable to him even though the people in the thread weren't even half as rude.
I haven't played Dwarf Fortress, it's not my type of thing, yet I can totally respect, even admire the work the developers have put in and how loyal the fanbase is of a dev who is practically lower than indie and survives off of donations.
Dwarf Fortress is legendary tier gaming
If you can play and master the art of dwarf fortressing you are basically the delta force of gamers
I want to say I'd love to see someone do a fully "3D" or at least iso 2D game based on DF, but I can respect the creator's wishes to keeping is ASCII
In a way, DF is like reading a book vs watching a movie. It leaves everything to your imagination and there aren't any visuals, while a movie spells things out for you. It's pretty much the definition of what it would be like if books were games.
I wish Toady had a little team of people at his disposal so updates could be churned out quicker and features added in faster. The waiting times between updates make previous versions fade to myth and legend.
[QUOTE=KorJax;41285614]I want to say I'd love to see someone do a fully "3D" or at least iso 2D game based on DF, but I can respect the creator's wishes to keeping is ASCII[/QUOTE]
Check out Timber and Stone, Gnomoria, Stonehearth and Towns, all are based on DF in some way but have better graphics and easier interface, the downside is obviously that none of them have DF-tier complexity.
[QUOTE=loopoo;41286085]I wish Toady had a little team of people at his disposal so updates could be churned out quicker and features added in faster. The waiting times between updates make previous versions fade to myth and legend.[/QUOTE]
The next update is going to be so nice though, they have been working so hard at adding new mechanics and refining some.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;41285266]There's having legitimate complaints with a game, and then there's calling a game made by 2 people a horrible retroripoff piece of lazy shit and that he "played it for 5 minutes years ago"
That's not enough to come into a thread, shit all over the game and pretty much everyone playing it. It's not respectful, tasteful, or acceptable so there's no reason to be respectful, tasteful, or acceptable to him even though the people in the thread weren't even half as rude.
I haven't played Dwarf Fortress, it's not my type of thing, yet I can totally respect, even admire the work the developers have put in and how loyal the fanbase is of a dev who is practically lower than indie and survives off of donations.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, had he not worded his posts in such a rude way, no one would've gotten this massively butthurt over it, I can honestly see more people thinking like him and I can understand why. You're also certainly blowing this even more out of proportions; excluding his 1st post he wasn't shitting that hard, he was rather giving his opinion and anwering what people told him. That is until people started really bashing him and he got banned. Granted, looking at his historial he looks like a massive shitposter, but I feel like people have jumped on the trigger really fast.
Perhaps he should've been explained some of the details he probably wasn't aware of as was being done, instead of discrediting him.
I really need to get back into Dwarf Fortress, when I left it I had recently constructed a massive tomb to a cook who was able to slay a dragon with a fork by decapitating it and shattering all its bones. After the entire military failed to land a single hit(They were a bunch of new recruits since the old guys died horrifically due to a mishap with a lava system meant to kill children if there were to many).
DF 0.28.181.40d is best DF
[QUOTE=Kyle902;41272991]The only thing that makes me angry about the interface is how hard it is to get symmetry in your fort.
I can't tell you how many times my fortress has been 1 block off from being symmetrical.[/QUOTE]
And that's made even worse once you realize the default tileset isn't even square.
[QUOTE=Teh Zip File;41288965]And that's made even worse once you realize the default tileset isn't even square.[/QUOTE]
That bothers me to no end
[QUOTE=Liem;41289006]That bothers me to no end[/QUOTE]
it is fixable, though i cannot remember off the top of my head how to make it sqare
download a square tileset
[editline]3rd July 2013[/editline]
cooz tileset is the best
But Jollybastion!
[url]http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=104261.0[/url]
[t]http://www.alexanderocias.com/jollybastion/screenies2-1.png[/t]
In my current world I've had this Jackal devil that escaped from hell, that then decided impersonate a human god and commanded them to make a civilization with the Jackal devil as its hidden master. I love the world creation this game utilizes!
I started playing using only the wiki and bothering the FP thread with questions (it's not really a bother everyone there is very helpful.) There's an ASCII tileset that is square and has easier to read colors that you should install, it used to be in the OP, not sure if it is anymore. Then just go to a tame environment, make sure there are no aquifers and you have access to water, trees and a mountain. You can basically go indefinitely. That way you can learn the controls and such without too much worry of messing up.
I tried playing again, I didn't think making workshops and burrows could be this exciting :v:
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;41289982]it is fixable, though i cannot remember off the top of my head how to make it sqare[/QUOTE]
There's a Fixed tile set
I just use Phoebus though
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