• VICE Documentary on the Roma (Gypsy) with a Pro-Roma Stance
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[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;45505565]vice is a horribly biased, clickbaiting media corp anyway so[/QUOTE] Vice is one of the most interesting documentary corps though and I am okay with giving them clicks since their content is entertaining and well made.
it's entertaining but you shouldn't base your views on a political issue because of a vice documentary
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45505996]Vice is one of the most interesting documentary corps though and I am okay with giving them clicks since their content is entertaining and well made.[/QUOTE] they cover some ~interesting~ topics but they really don't give you good depth or objectivity it seems like you really haven't seen some of the shit they come out with on the vice uk site
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;45506570] it seems like you really haven't seen some of the shit they come out with on the vice uk site[/QUOTE] That's true, I only watch their youtube stuff and stuff posted on FP so I have no idea what shit goes on on their UK site.
VICE creates a lot of content you don't usually see but surely like any other news agency, I'm not taking everything as a truth just because they say so.
If I were to say "Geez, these Mexican people just have lots of babies, get tonnes of welfare, and just make a general mess of the place. They don't try to educate themselves, they steal things, they get in fights with police and just make my life a living hell. Fuck Mexicans", I would be branded a racist and an awful person. But if I say that about the Roma, I'm considered "acceptable", especially by most "progressive" European standards. It's sickening.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45506684]If I were to say "Geez, these Mexican people just have lots of babies, get tonnes of welfare, and just make a general mess of the place. They don't try to educate themselves, they steal things, they get in fights with police and just make my life a living hell. Fuck Mexicans", I would be branded a racist and an awful person.[/QUOTE] Well thats not true at all so its dumb. The Roma [I]culture[/I] is one that inherently goes against becoming a settled member of society who works and contributes to society. In fact it seems like it even makes them parasitical members of society who do more harm than good. Mexicans however do work. In fact VICE just released a great documentary about how American farming basically needs Mexican labor to survive.
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;45506570]they cover some ~interesting~ topics but they really don't give you good depth or objectivity it seems like you really haven't seen some of the shit they come out with on the vice uk site[/QUOTE] IF you want to know whats going on on the ground, use VICE. If you want to know about the policy and the issues with getting said policy going, go somewhere else. [editline]26th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;45506795]Well thats not true at all so its dumb. The Roma [I]culture[/I] is one that inherently goes against becoming a settled member of society who works and contributes to society. In fact it seems like it even makes them parasitical members of society who do more harm than good. Mexicans however do work. In fact VICE just released a great documentary about how American farming basically needs Mexican labor to survive.[/QUOTE] Their are plenty of nomadic peoples in the Middle East and Africa and they don't cause shit or get discriminated against.
[QUOTE=Swilly;45506818]Their are plenty of nomadic peoples in the Middle East and Africa and they don't cause shit or get discriminated against.[/QUOTE] I highly doubt nomads in Middle East and Africa are comparable since Europe doesn't compare to Africa or Middle East, same way Africa doesn't compare to the Middle East and vice-versa. Europe certainly lives very differently from those two areas.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45506684]If I were to say "Geez, these Mexican people just have lots of babies, get tonnes of welfare, and just make a general mess of the place. They don't try to educate themselves, they steal things, they get in fights with police and just make my life a living hell. Fuck Mexicans", I would be branded a racist and an awful person. But if I say that about the Roma, I'm considered "acceptable", especially by most "progressive" European standards. It's sickening.[/QUOTE] That's because thats what they do.
[QUOTE=Swilly;45506818]IF you want to know whats going on on the ground, use VICE. If you want to know about the policy and the issues with getting said policy going, go somewhere else.[/QUOTE] still that picture is obscured by editorial and subjective bias and mass market appeal
Regulated immigration =/= Anti immigration
[QUOTE=Swilly;45506818] Their are plenty of nomadic peoples in the Middle East and Africa and they don't cause shit or get discriminated against.[/QUOTE] Quite a lot of middle east and african countries are shitholes though unlike in Europe. Nomads don't matter in a place where there are no parks or nothing to steal.
I'm always confused as to why people associate gypsy with Roman people. But I think it's because in Norway there is a term called "sigøynere" which refers specifically to the travelers. I kind of always assumed they had no real origin. I always kinda liked the idea of traveling around the world without being tied to any country in a big family. It doesn't really work well in the modern world though. Maybe if it was 200 years ago.
Can Americans [U]please[/U] stop coming in this thread and screaming racism without having any idea what they're talking about?
[QUOTE=waylander;45501963]in my town they set up there shit tip in the middle of a public park, i havnt passed it in the last week or so but [b]i hope the local residents got pissed of and burned there illegal encampment to the ground[/b][/QUOTE] typical savage british arson-promoting culture being incompatible with civilized roma ways you should assimilate or be deported [editline]26th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Noss;45507712]Can Americans [U]please[/U] stop coming in this thread and screaming racism without having any idea what they're talking about?[/QUOTE] Any European that says Americans can't comment on the Roma because they don't understand them should check wikipedia and see which country has the largest Roma population.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;45505323]I don't recall it going like that. iirc, one of them read it wrongly and even admitted it, but nobody cared and he got banned anyway because of "this is social justice town boy, have the same opinion as us or BANNED", but I don't remember him going "i'll kill them all" or anything either.. Think he was even from my country, hence why it caught the attention... rest got banned because some just went "lol burn them all" style and the others who had more mild opinions and just stated facts or whatever, without making any racist comments, got banned aswell because of biased moderation and favouritism + mobbing on from the sjw's[/QUOTE] is there some kinda sjw conspiracy or something? watch out don't get banned literally [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1220846&p=38186573&viewfull=1#post38186573"]three[/URL] [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1235804&p=39012105&viewfull=1#post39012105"]times[/URL] [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1307542&p=42209538&viewfull=1#post42209538"]in a row[/URL] for being a scary, genocidal shitbag or else the sjw's will get you!! oh heavens not the regular posters whose entire capacity for "mobbing" you is calling you a dick and getting banned for flaming!
Social justice warriors have ruined facepunch, I can't even advocate ethnic cleansing anymore :(
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45507993]Social justice warriors have ruined facepunch, I can't even advocate ethnic cleansing anymore :([/QUOTE] back in the day i could have fellated Ratko Mladić all i wanted but now you cant... might offend the bosniaks on the pecking order eh! [editline]26th July[/editline] because of course anyone offended by my calls for the genocide of ethnic minorities has to be doing so to personally slight me
[QUOTE=Cone;45507975]is there some kinda sjw conspiracy or something? watch out don't get banned literally [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1220846&p=38186573&viewfull=1#post38186573"]three[/URL] [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1235804&p=39012105&viewfull=1#post39012105"]times[/URL] [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1307542&p=42209538&viewfull=1#post42209538"]in a row[/URL] for being a scary, genocidal shitbag or else the sjw's will get you!! oh heavens not the regular posters whose entire capacity for "mobbing" you is calling you a dick and getting banned for flaming![/QUOTE] From what I see, almost every single one of the guys there are hardcore sjw's who just "defend because I'm a good social boy". I remember that first thread, the guy said later on that he read it wrong and didn't quite think his post through and worded it kind of wrong, but nobody cared. I see where he was going with that post, but it was worded extremely wrong with the worst of quotes to boot (as in a bad response to someone's quote). To MY understanding, that was one of those replies like, "my soul for icecream", which aren't meant literaly. I mean, who the hell would just go out plain literal in a thread like that? I hate a lot of people (mind you, no race included or anything, just a few people that piss me off in a general fashion), and I don't go around saying "I wish they were dead" and meaning it... The second thread, I could even bet he got hit with a ban because of it being apparently second time offense to speak about one's experiences with a [B]culture[/B] that hasn't been doing very well these days. Gets banned for [B]racism[/B] though. The third thread, he just got banned because opinions were against him lol. Laughable thread that just shows how many members here, including mods, can flip flop between different opinions from one thread to another. Terrible ban history? I've seen people with much worse ban records who keep getting banned, and never get perma'd. And don't jest. We all know theres a bunch of social justice warriors around the forum ready to spit out their opinions, masked as facts by themselves. Hell, Max is one of them.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45507857] Any European that says Americans can't comment on the Roma because they don't understand them should check wikipedia and see which country has the largest Roma population.[/QUOTE] The US has 320 million people and spans 9,629,091 km2, with 1 million Roma. Spain spans 504,645 km2 and has a population of 46 million, with 650000 Roma. See the point I'm making? Also that they can't cross the Atlantic in caravans, so you only get (at worst) the ones that are at the very least moderately removed from their culture. So no, you don't know shit about the issue, as shown by you coming in every thread about gypsies shouting racism and how its the fault of Europeans not offering them jobs. As hard as it is for Americans to understand, you do not know everything about world and the world usually does not want your condescending lectures about how to be a true champion of freedom and tolerance.
do you talk to people like that irl i bet youre a hoot
[QUOTE=acds;45508267]The US has 320 million people and spans 9,629,091 km2, with 1 million Roma. Spain spans 504,645 km2 and has a population of 46 million, with 650000 Roma. See the point I'm making? Also that they can't cross the Atlantic in caravans, so you only get (at worst) the ones that are at the very least moderately removed from their culture. So no, you don't know shit about the issue, as shown by you coming in every thread about gypsies shouting racism and how its the fault of Europeans not offering them jobs. As hard as it is for Americans to understand, you do not know everything about world and the world usually does not want your condescending lectures about how to be a true champion of freedom and tolerance.[/QUOTE] taking the holier than thou position doesn't make you correct. you can't look at flagdog and just assume that someone doesn't know anything about european life or roma/irish travellers of course it might be hard for some to visualise someone leaving their house
What really pisses me off about gypsies is because they ALWAYS sit and beg next to a mall. In Sweden, we have all these types of Social Welfare systems that will give them more than enough money to live a happy middle class life in a nice apartment in a city. But instead of accepting it, they isolate themself and refuse to accept what our government propose. Its no wonder that gypsies are so hated around the world when they deliberately isolate themself from society.
[QUOTE=Noss;45507712]Can Americans [U]please[/U] stop coming in this thread and screaming racism without having any idea what they're talking about?[/QUOTE] Can Europeans please stop commenting on American issues, it annoys me since they don't know what they're talking about.
[QUOTE=Swilly;45509450]Can Europeans please stop commenting on American issues, it annoys me since they don't know what they're talking about.[/QUOTE] This would be a good response if the american media was all over the internet throwing every type of report around 24/7, so I doubt that. Compared to Roma, who get no news even here 99,9% of the time.
[QUOTE=Satane;45509622]The gypsies of europe are not even comparable to the ones in US. the closest thing the americans have are black ghettos. and redneck trailer parks[/QUOTE] I'd say more like mini-favelas
[QUOTE=acds;45508267]as shown by you coming in every thread about gypsies shouting racism and how its the fault of Europeans not offering them jobs.[/QUOTE] where the hell did I say that
[QUOTE=Prism;45500302] Here in Bulgaria we have whole gypsy-only appartment buildings who REFUSE to pay their heating, water or electricity bills so their neighbours are forced to pay them for them, because if anyone were to try and cut them off, the gypsies start protesting about discrimination.[/QUOTE] So I googled this and I came up with this: [quote]The Council of Europe body ECRI stated in its June 2003 third report on Bulgaria that Romani encounter "serious difficulties in many spheres of life", elaborating that: "The main problems stem from the fact that the Roma districts are turning into ghettos. [..] Most Roma neighbourhoods consist of slums, precariously built without planning permission on land that often belongs to the municipalities [..]. As the Bulgarian authorities have not taken steps to address the situation, the people living in these districts have no access to basic public services, whether health care, public transport, waste collection or sanitation".[21] [/quote] [quote]On two occasions, the European Committee of Social Rights has found violations of the European Social Charter in situation with Bulgaria's Romani population: in 2006, concerning right to housing,[25] and in 2008, concerning right to health,[26] in both cases on complaints from the European Roma Rights Centre.[/quote] [quote]Romani children are also often sent to special schools for children with intellectual disabilities, or boarding schools for children with "deviant behavior" (so-called "delinquent schools"). According to reports of the Bulgarian Helsinki Committee (BHC), Romani made up half the number of students in schools for children with intellectual disabilities and about two-thirds of the students of the boarding schools, where the BHC found a variety of human rights abuses, including physical violence. In both sets of special schools, the quality of teaching is very poor, and even essential things such as desks, textbooks and teaching materials are inadequate or altogether lacking.[24][/quote] How sad of a person do you have to be to defend your shitty country's treatment of an ethnic group on a videogame forum? Serious question.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45507857]typical savage british arson-promoting culture being incompatible with civilized roma ways you should assimilate or be deported [editline]26th July 2014[/editline] Any European that says Americans can't comment on the Roma because they don't understand them should check wikipedia and see which country has the largest Roma population.[/QUOTE] yeah it isn't like cultural differences or population density has anything to do with it that would be too rational
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