• VICE Documentary on the Roma (Gypsy) with a Pro-Roma Stance
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[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;45505081] They aren't forced to be nomads? If anything, they are forced to be civilized.[/QUOTE] Explain to me how running them out of towns and destroying their homes does that. I know I'm gonna get shot down for being a "stupid American", but seeing this level of racism embedded into what's supposed to be a modern society is disgusting.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;45510627]Explain to me how running them out of towns and destroying their homes does that. I know I'm gonna get shot down for being a "stupid American", but seeing this level of racism embedded into what's supposed to be a modern society is disgusting.[/QUOTE] I have never heard of Roma people being ran out of towns or having their homes destroyed. Mostly because most of them dont got a home?
Like, you know it's bad. You know the entire world community is like "you're doing awful stuff to these people". The UN says it's bad, the EU says it's bad. Even this guy, whatever he is: [quote]So no, you don't know shit about the issue, as shown by you coming in every thread about gypsies shouting racism and how its the fault of Europeans not offering them jobs. As hard as it is for Americans to understand, you do not know everything about world and the world usually does not want your condescending lectures about how to be a true champion of freedom and tolerance.[/quote] He's even admitting that the rest of the world thinks it's embarrassing. Imagine if you're this sovereign proud European and get criticized by the United States which has an appalling human rights record, and they make a criticism that's completely consistent with the international community. That must suck, like suck real hard. Suck so bad that when you're on an internet forum and you see people talking about it you feel super-defensive so you start defend it. You know it's wrong but you just cannot admit it because it hurts too much, it's gnawing at you like 200 years of black slavery gnaws at a Southern-educated white person. I don't feel bad for you at first but then I remember that you're on a videogame forum trying to sound authoritative about hating "gypsies" and then I feel real bad.
[QUOTE=Sailor Mars;45510653]Like, you know it's bad. You know the entire world community is like "you're doing awful stuff to these people". The UN says it's bad, the EU says it's bad. Even this guy, whatever he is: He's even admitting that the rest of the world thinks it's embarrassing. Imagine if you're this sovereign proud European and get criticized by the United States which has an appalling human rights record, and they make a criticism that's completely consistent with the international community. That must suck, like suck real hard. Suck so bad that when you're on an internet forum and you see people talking about it you feel super-defensive so you start defend it. You know it's wrong but you just cannot admit it because it hurts too much, it's gnawing at you like 200 years of black slavery gnaws at a Southern-educated white person. I don't feel bad for you at first but then I remember that you're on a videogame forum trying to sound authoritative about hating "gypsies" and then I feel real bad.[/QUOTE] Personal insults ain't gonna do shit. As you can see from the video, entire countries hate the poor, innocent gypsies. Up from the authorities, down to the random bloke that's walking on the street. So might as well start talking shit about the countries, not only the 1 guy from millions that's talking from the same experience his co-nationals have with this minority.
(It's a troll, ionuttzu)
[QUOTE=CrucialSeBBi;45510641]I have never heard of Roma people being ran out of towns or having their homes destroyed. Mostly because most of them dont got a home?[/QUOTE] There was an example right here in this video...
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;45510758]There was an example right here in this video...[/QUOTE] The homes are illegally built, I'm sure he's talking about gypsies with actual homes, homes that they pay taxes for.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45510712](It's a troll, ionuttzu)[/QUOTE] a troll that provides more actual sources and unbiased views than anyone else in the thread [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] but please continue basing your hatred for this ethnic group with your little personal anecdotes
[QUOTE=.Lain;45511489]but please continue basing your hatred for this ethnic group with your little personal anecdotes[/QUOTE] what Please do tell me in any of my posts where I said I hated this ethnic group and how I'm racist for it. [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] I guess I can't even explain the situation that happened here without being labeled something because if you're a white European, you're racist for anything you say against a different ethnicity. Hell, I don't even need to be involved, just merely being born white makes me racist at this point.
Ethnicity and culture are completely different. Related but not the same.
It's actually quite the simple solution, pay for a plane ticket and see for yourself, a non-biased view from the source itself. Literally the only way for you to get out of your shell where the mere difference in point of view is enough to name everything and their mother a negative adjective.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;45501871]Maybe they should stop being forced to be nomads in a civilized society?[/QUOTE] They aren't forced, you git. They get free housing from the government on money payed by British taxpayers. And what do they do? They rip up the cables to sell the copper inside, shit up the house, sell anything remotely valuable and spend the money on booze, girls, and gold, then go back to living in a tent at the local park. They leave that town and repeat the cycle in the next. I have nothing against gypsies as a people, but their way of life is glorifies thievery, leeching, and cheating others.
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;45512600]They aren't forced, you git. They get free housing from the government on money payed by British taxpayers. And what do they do? They rip up the cables to sell the copper inside, shit up the house, sell anything remotely valuable and spend the money on booze, girls, and gold, then go back to living in a tent at the local park. They leave that town and repeat the cycle in the next. [B]I have nothing against gypsies as a people,[/B] but their way of life is glorifies thievery, leeching, and cheating others.[/QUOTE] so you don't have anything against gypsies, but you think their way of life is trash and terrible. like, what? you say you're alright with them, then you say [I]in the next sentence [/I]​that you think they're a bunch of thieving scum? if you're going to be a [synonym for racist because somebody's going to call me out by saying racism doesn't apply to gypsies], at least be consistent, dude.
It's not all Gypsies people hate, it's the ones who come into communities and just do what they want. Thos who steal and wreck the communities they move into for a short amount of time- you do not know what that's like until it has happened where you live. They were taking copper out of different places to sell, getting drunk and getting into fights etc. My neighbours used to be travellers, the son used to steal when they first moved here but over time they have become great neighbours - they have settled down considerably living in the same place.They live off benefits still, but are nice people. Of course, not all are like that - as with everything. You have to realise that it's a massive problem over here, with many traveller groups coming into communities and not working or doing anything - other travellers do work and contribute to the community, but most communities are too afraid they will be the bad ones.
It mostly is not gypsies as an etn icity that people hate: in Hungary, there are centuries-old traditions of an entire practical caste of gypsies whose lives and livelihood are centered around music. They've been playing gypsy music for centuries and in general have much higher standards of livelihood, as well as much higher acceptance. They also separate themselves from other gypsies like they were lepers or something. The blame does not lie solely with the majority's discrimination, because that actually developed due to Roma society's vast differences and outright refusal of the values of general European society. This social conflict was manageable in Hungary, for example, while the Roma lived a mostly nomadic lifestyle, as they were physically as separate from the majority as socially. However, when the Eastern Bloc formed, a socialist dictatorship could not allow an entire ethnicity to cruise around the countryside completely outside the system, and they were forcibly settled. However no effort was made to integrate them into society at large, and as such, the discrimination on one side and the refusal of the majority's values, moral or otherwise on the other has been escalating since, stuck in a vicious cycle. Believe me, the Roma are not innocent in this, and the same goes for society at large. A good story to illustrat ethis is a Roma paramedic guy my mother worked with when she was a young doctor. Dude wanted to rise out of the miserable conditions he grew up in, studied to be a paramedic and worked nightly. Then his family beat him up and disowned him for working instead of coming and helping them steal some metal.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;45510627]Explain to me how running them out of towns and destroying their homes does that. I know I'm gonna get shot down for being a "stupid American", but seeing this level of racism embedded into what's supposed to be a modern society is disgusting.[/QUOTE] Homes? They live in shacks most of the time, and as said before, they ARE given homes which they later turn into a complete utter mess, unable to live in and posing a sanitary risk, right before or after fucking up everything for everyone else. How is this racism? Again and again with racism... Since when is criticizing a nomadic culture who doesn't even tries to fit in with other cultures AND EVEN COMPLAINS ABOUT SAID CULTURES being racist? Or are you just pointing out how their aren't white so you can make it about race? [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=asteroidrules;45510758]There was an example right here in this video...[/QUOTE] Showing the pretty, sob story side of something doesn't makes it true. I highly doubt someone whould kick them out of their home if they didn't do something very wrong. Theres a few near where I live, they got their own home and everything, built by themselves, sure they run some shady businesses there but they don't mess with anyone that doesn't messes with them, and nobody kicks them out of there. Why? Because they don't bother anyone. And they actually keep their place pretty clean. The house keeps getting bigger by the year, with more interesting things built. [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Géza!;45513054]It mostly is not gypsies as an etn icity that people hate: in Hungary, there are centuries-old traditions of an entire practical caste of gypsies whose lives and livelihood are centered around music. They've been playing gypsy music for centuries and in general have much higher standards of livelihood, as well as much higher acceptance. They also separate themselves from other gypsies like they were lepers or something. The blame does not lie solely with the majority's discrimination, because that actually developed due to Roma society's vast differences and outright refusal of the values of general European society. This social conflict was manageable in Hungary, for example, while the Roma lived a mostly nomadic lifestyle, as they were physically as separate from the majority as socially. However, when the Eastern Bloc formed, a socialist dictatorship could not allow an entire ethnicity to cruise around the countryside completely outside the system, and they were forcibly settled. However no effort was made to integrate them into society at large, and as such, the discrimination on one side and the refusal of the majority's values, moral or otherwise on the other has been escalating since, stuck in a vicious cycle. Believe me, the Roma are not innocent in this, and the same goes for society at large. A good story to illustrat ethis is a Roma paramedic guy my mother worked with when she was a young doctor. Dude wanted to rise out of the miserable conditions he grew up in, studied to be a paramedic and worked nightly. Then his family beat him up and disowned him for working instead of coming and helping them steal some metal.[/QUOTE] The only way to rise up, is to disappear forever from the sight of one's family. My mom told me about this Roma girl who was "taken" (she pretty much accepted it so, not really taken) from her parents, who did no good whatsoever for her growth. Since then, she's lived a happy life, studying and shaping up like any normal teen. [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=milkandcooki;45512651]so you don't have anything against gypsies, but you think their way of life is trash and terrible. like, what? you say you're alright with them, then you say [I]in the next sentence [/I]​that you think they're a bunch of thieving scum? if you're going to be a [synonym for racist because somebody's going to call me out by saying racism doesn't apply to gypsies], at least be consistent, dude.[/QUOTE] Wait, I don't understand this... You're condoning gypsies for their thievery and general bad deeds, that would be considered scumly for anyone else, just because they are gypsies? And I'm VERY SURE nobody would have a problem with them if they didn't do what they usually do... [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Gwoodman;45512184]It's actually quite the simple solution, pay for a plane ticket and see for yourself, a non-biased view from the source itself. Literally the only way for you to get out of your shell where the mere difference in point of view is enough to name everything and their mother a negative adjective.[/QUOTE] "but... then muh only experience with a gypsy who appeared on a morning show will be shattered!"
Also "pro-Roma stance" in this case was more like complete and total bias and cherry picking.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45512651]so you don't have anything against gypsies, but you think their way of life is trash and terrible. like, what? you say you're alright with them, then you say [I]in the next sentence [/I]​that you think they're a bunch of thieving scum? if you're going to be a [synonym for racist because somebody's going to call me out by saying racism doesn't apply to gypsies], at least be consistent, dude.[/QUOTE] He never called them "thieving scum", where did that come from? Who said racism doesn't apply to gypsies? There are people that hate gypsies because they're gypsies and those are the racists, there's a whole different thing that is NOT hating them for who they are but for what they do. Just because I don't approve a gangster life style with calling every women hoes and spending money on prostitutes, strip clubs and expensive cars doesn't mean I hate every single black person for being black, that doesn't make sense. "Be consistent", how about gain some sense and stop pulling the race card, we treat them as a group that lives wrongfully by illegal activities, not as a group that has a different skin color.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45512651]so you don't have anything against gypsies, but you think their way of life is trash and terrible.[/QUOTE] I have nothing against arabs but the culture of Saudi Arabia is backwards and disgusting, etc. Nobody is talking about genetics or skin color. Its about the general culture displayed by the people.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45509490]This would be a good response if the american media was all over the internet throwing every type of report around 24/7, so I doubt that. Compared to Roma, who get no news even here 99,9% of the time.[/QUOTE] Just because you have the news doesn't mean you understand, especially if you haven't been to the States or know the intimacies of it. Hell, a good portion of Americans don't understand the intimacies. My point however, is that we can comment on your issues if you can comment on ours. And just because ya'll have countries trying to do multiculturalism and then turning right back around and holding up the middle finger to said immigrants, doesn't mean you get mad at us when we call out your bullshit. All of these arguements are the exact same, redneck, white trash, inbred American logic and bullshit they've been spewing about Latinos, Chinese, the Irish, Italian, Russian, Roma. Just because ya'll are Europeans and think you're somehow superior to us in the idea of [B]IMMIGRANTS COMING AND TAKING WITH THEM THEIR CULTURE THAT REMINDS THEM OF HOME[/B], maybe ya'll should pause before calling out the nation made of a fucking immigrants. [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] I can spell and type when mad, I swear.
A lot of people in this thread are really missing the point. Racism is discrimination based on race, right? So whenever you make a sweeping generalization about Roma claiming that they're lazy, they steal, they're dirty, they're dumb, whatever - [I]that's racist[/I]. Because you're judging them not as individuals, but as a race. And when you say "But I've dealt with Roma my whole life and that's what they're like!" you're really saying "It's not racist if it's true!" As an example look at the US, since we're still dealing with this racism shit when it comes to black people. Suppose you grew up in inner city Detroit. You might notice that a disproportionate number of poor people, drug dealers, high school dropouts, etc. are black. Is this because black people are inherently stupid, lazy criminals? FUCK NO. We can see elsewhere in the US that in communities with better infrastructure and less racial tension, black people do just fine! There's a cruel feedback loop when it comes to racism. In a racist society, the people who are discriminated against have a massive disadvantage because the rest of their society assumes the worst of them. This makes it difficult for them to succeed and makes it easier for them to end up marginalized in a life of poverty or crime. The racists then view this "bad behavior" as justification for their racism, further marginalizing the discriminated group. And so on. This also applies to the other argument I've seen a lot in this thread, "I don't hate their [I]race[/I], I hate their culture! If they chose to live like the rest of us, we'd get along just fine!" Their culture is directly influenced by the racist society they're forced to live in. The cartoon caricature of a racist who hates all people of a certain skin color is not the issue here (I'm optimistically convinced that such people are pretty rare). There is a much more insidious, dangerous form of racism where the race and culture are conflated as in the feedback loop above. This is by far the more common form of racism in America. It can be hard to find an American who will say straight up "I hate black people," but it's pretty easy to find someone who will say "I just don't like the way they talk, dress, the music they listen to, their obsession with drugs and gangs," etc. There's really not much of a practical difference between the two - they both lead to bias and oppression.
[QUOTE=freaka;45509120]What really pisses me off about gypsies is because they ALWAYS sit and beg next to a mall. In Sweden, we have all these types of Social Welfare systems that will give them more than enough money to live a happy middle class life in a nice apartment in a city. But instead of accepting it, they isolate themself and refuse to accept what our government propose. Its no wonder that gypsies are so hated around the world when they deliberately isolate themself from society.[/QUOTE] Haha, what? All beggars are "gypsies" out to exploit our welfare and generousity? These people have no choice. They've faced loads of hardships after being born to a life of poverty in some eastern european village, and they've heard that they might earn some money to feed their children over here as their own country can't provide for them/lacks sufficient safety nets. People don't travel across Europe to beg in 35 degrees celsius because it's fun. They're desperate. -snipped part- misinterpreted a lot of his post, if you want to give me shit do it via PM, thread isn't about begging in sweden, i don't want to derail it.
feel free to dislike individuals, but when you say 'i hate gypsies' you are undeniably being racist. you can't justify it as being anything else, it's nice that some people refuse to admit the fact that they're just basing their ridiculous prejudice off of stupid personal anecdotes though [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] and before anyone claims that racism isn't the correct term because it's an ethnic group; [quote=Wikipedia]While race and ethnicity are considered to be separate phenomena in contemporary social science, the two terms have a long history of equivalence in popular usage and older social science literature. Racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to the United Nations convention, there is no distinction between the terms racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination, and superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and that there is no justification for racial discrimination, in theory or in practice, anywhere.[/quote]
[quote]Haha, what? All beggars are "gypsies" out to exploit our welfare and generousity?[/quote] Where is that implied in my text? You might have read my post wrong, and even so, I never implied that all gypsies sit outside malls and beg. [quote]These people have no choice.[/quote] Uh, yes they do have a choice, get a job or get social welfare, sitting outside begging for money outside a mall isnt going to help it all. I dont know where you live, but in my city we got shittons of gypsies/romas that sit outside malls and shops begging for money. [quote]They've faced loads of hardships after being born to a life of poverty in some eastern european village [/quote] err ok... I still dont understand how it makes sense for them to travel across the world to go to Sweden and beg for money when they can just beg for money in the country they were born, right? [quote] and they've heard that they might earn some money to feed their children over here as their own country can't provide for them/lacks sufficient safety nets.[/quote] Havnt you read the posts in this thread? lots of them already says that they HAVE been offered help, but they've rejected it and decided to live their own way. [quote]People don't travel across Europe to beg in 35 degrees celsius because it's fun. They're desperate. [/quote] err, alright... [quote]Slight derail, but spreading this misinformation and prejudice is bullshit. If you seriously think that all beggars are gypsies or that they're causing Sweden any harm you should think again. [/quote] Err, what misinfortmation am I spreading? Go talk to a random human being on the street and ask them about their opinion about gypsies and you will be surprised. People arnt very fond of them. once again you say that I imply that all gypsies are thiefs and that they are the only ones begging? Did you even read what I wrote? [quote]wap the word "gypsie" with the word "muslim" you'll see that it's just standard us-vs-them scare-monegering racist rhetoric.[/quote] uh ok, but Im liberal so I dont see what you are trying to go with this.
[QUOTE=Swilly;45515251]Just because you have the news doesn't mean you understand, especially if you haven't been to the States or know the intimacies of it. Hell, a good portion of Americans don't understand the intimacies. My point however, is that we can comment on your issues if you can comment on ours. And just because ya'll have countries trying to do multiculturalism and then turning right back around and holding up the middle finger to said immigrants, doesn't mean you get mad at us when we call out your bullshit. All of these arguements are the exact same, redneck, white trash, inbred American logic and bullshit they've been spewing about Latinos, Chinese, the Irish, Italian, Russian, Roma. Just because ya'll are Europeans and think you're somehow superior to us in the idea of [B]IMMIGRANTS COMING AND TAKING WITH THEM THEIR CULTURE THAT REMINDS THEM OF HOME[/B], maybe ya'll should pause before calling out the nation made of a fucking immigrants. [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] I can spell and type when mad, I swear.[/QUOTE] Are you really comparing a country where people call each other racist shit just because they don't like their color, to a good few countries who generaly "don't like a race" (or better yet, the group of people within said race) NOT for being a different race, but for the trouble it causes?... Lol you're talking about people hating muslims and how they are trying to change some stuff outside of their countries so they can integrate better within other societies, which is the complete opposite of people who enter other societies, refuse to follow said society's rules, are handed out help, and STILL manage to fuck it up. Wow, what a great culture, stealing shit, get money for being a lazy person who dumps out babies every year and for starting shit. But its fine because they are immigrants... If it was someone white, you'd have to prepare the guillotine! We call out the nation made of immigrants, because it keeps talking shit even about immigrants who work for a living and are good upstanding citizens. [QUOTE=Larikang;45516462]A lot of people in this thread are really missing the point. Racism is discrimination based on race, right? So whenever you make a sweeping generalization about Roma claiming that they're lazy, they steal, they're dirty, they're dumb, whatever - [I]that's racist[/I]. Because you're judging them not as individuals, but as a race. And when you say "But I've dealt with Roma my whole life and that's what they're like!" you're really saying "It's not racist if it's true!" As an example look at the US, since we're still dealing with this racism shit when it comes to black people. Suppose you grew up in inner city Detroit. You might notice that a disproportionate number of poor people, drug dealers, high school dropouts, etc. are black. Is this because black people are inherently stupid, lazy criminals? FUCK NO. We can see elsewhere in the US that in communities with better infrastructure and less racial tension, black people do just fine! There's a cruel feedback loop when it comes to racism. In a racist society, the people who are discriminated against have a massive disadvantage because the rest of their society assumes the worst of them. This makes it difficult for them to succeed and makes it easier for them to end up marginalized in a life of poverty or crime. The racists then view this "bad behavior" as justification for their racism, further marginalizing the discriminated group. And so on. This also applies to the other argument I've seen a lot in this thread, "I don't hate their [I]race[/I], I hate their culture! If they chose to live like the rest of us, we'd get along just fine!" Their culture is directly influenced by the racist society they're forced to live in. The cartoon caricature of a racist who hates all people of a certain skin color is not the issue here (I'm optimistically convinced that such people are pretty rare). There is a much more insidious, dangerous form of racism where the race and culture are conflated as in the feedback loop above. This is by far the more common form of racism in America. It can be hard to find an American who will say straight up "I hate black people," but it's pretty easy to find someone who will say "I just don't like the way they talk, dress, the music they listen to, their obsession with drugs and gangs," etc. There's really not much of a practical difference between the two - they both lead to bias and oppression.[/QUOTE] Actually... You're the one judging them on race. We're talking about their nomadic culture, not race. Does being black make someone steal and kill and enter a drug dealing world? Does being a muslim grant you the ability to blow yourself up? Does being chinese... Actually, I don't even know what people complain about when refering to chinese people. That's the thing. Roma people enter societies with extremely good infrastructures, and yet, most of them end up going the wrong way. Hell, theres roma people who actually get out of their circles for the precise reason that their culture doesn't fits in the advanced societies of today. It's not because they aren't white. No, it isn't. They've had a nomadic culture since the dawns of time. Someone else in this thread has mentioned it. And even if they didn't, they are handed out lots of help, and still fuck it all up. [QUOTE=VikCreamCake;45516664]Haha, what? All beggars are "gypsies" out to exploit our welfare and generousity? These people have no choice. They've faced loads of hardships after being born to a life of poverty in some eastern european village, and they've heard that they might earn some money to feed their children over here as their own country can't provide for them/lacks sufficient safety nets. People don't travel across Europe to beg in 35 degrees celsius because it's fun. They're desperate. Slight derail, but spreading this misinformation and prejudice is bullshit. If you seriously think that all beggars are gypsies or that they're causing Sweden any harm you should think again. Swap the word "gypsie" with the word "muslim" you'll see that it's just standard us-vs-them scare-monegering racist rhetoric.[/QUOTE] Bullshit. Pure bullshit. You know why? Because most of the people you catch doing that, at the end of the day, get picked up by people in cars that rival the Average Joe. Hell, I've lost count to how many have gold teeth. You know the irony in you pointing fingers that we generalize, and then generalizing all beggars as having no choice? If you think all beggars need to beg, you should also think again. Oh, and by the way... I'm pointing out their messed up culture, not their race. You guys are the ones who keep assimilating everything to race, just so you can play the "you're racist" card.
I encounter soo much racism on a daily basis, sorry if I get kind of wound up over it and see things where there are none. No intent to offend etc. [QUOTE=freaka;45516968]Where is that implied in my text? You might have read my post wrong, and even so, I never implied that all gypsies sit outside malls and beg. [/QUOTE] I assumed that you implied beggars in general were gypsies, and I thought you assumed they were when you saw them outside malls etc. [QUOTE=freaka;45516968] Uh, yes they do have a choice, get a job or get social welfare, sitting outside begging for money outside a mall isnt going to help it all. I dont know where you live, but in my city we got shittons of gypsies/romas that sit outside malls and shops begging for money. [/QUOTE] it's hard to get a job or welfare when you don't have a citizenship or a permanent place to live in the country, not to mention the people who have to resort to begging usually lack the education required to be employed. Also, how would you know they're "gypsies" without asking them? [QUOTE=freaka;45516968] err ok... I still dont understand how it makes sense for them to travel across the world to go to Sweden and beg for money when they can just beg for money in the country they were born, right?.[/QUOTE] It's hard to beg in a country where people are barely able to provide for themselves. In Romania one in five people live in poverty, and I met a Moldavan girl whose father worked three jobs. He earned the equivalent of €500, and €300 of that went to paying the rent. She would be considered middle class. The people who come to beg are literally at the bottom of society. I can totally see their desperation. [QUOTE=freaka;45516968] Havnt you read the posts in this thread? lots of them already says that they HAVE been offered help, but they've rejected it and decided to live their own way. [/QUOTE] I'll admit, yes, it seems like a problematic group, I'll look into it more tomorrow, gotta sleep soon. [QUOTE=freaka;45516968]Err, what misinfortmation am I spreading? Go talk to a random human being on the street and ask them about their opinion about gypsies and you will be surprised. People arnt very fond of them. once again you say that I imply that all gypsies are thiefs and that they are the only ones begging? Did you even read what I wrote? [/QUOTE] I misinterpreted alot of the post. We should discuss this shit via PM or something tomorrow. :)
[QUOTE=.Lain;45516817]feel free to dislike individuals, but when you say 'i hate gypsies' you are undeniably being racist. you can't justify it as being anything else, it's nice that some people refuse to admit the fact that they're just basing their ridiculous prejudice off of stupid personal anecdotes though [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] and before anyone claims that racism isn't the correct term because it's an ethnic group;[/QUOTE] Guess what? Normal people also leave nomadic cultures. Nobody likes them when they do it near people who don't Also, guess what? Roma people don't all follow nomadic cultures. Does anyone care about them? No, they even congratulate them for not going the same way as others keep hammering the same nail...
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;45517425]Guess what? Normal people also leave nomadic cultures. Nobody likes them when they do it near people who don't Also, guess what? Roma people don't all follow nomadic cultures. Does anyone care about them? No, they even congratulate them for not going the same way as others keep hammering the same nail...[/QUOTE] what do you mean when you say normal people?
Btw the people who are saying that disliking romani culture is racist are wrong, Roma is an ethnicity, not a race. It's also a bit hard to be xenophonic towards the Roma as they're not in a single country, they're spread across the whole world. This means that people living in different countries have a different experience of the culture, as the culture varies country to country. The Americans who are coming in here shouting 'racism' have not experienced the effect that the nomadic [U]culture[/U] has had on countries such as the UK. I don't think anybody here is saying that they hate the Roma people, but instead the culture that a significant proportion adhere to. So, instead of insulting each other, throwing around the term 'racism', how about you people actually take the time to read what people are saying.
[QUOTE=Cone;45517702]what do you mean when you say normal people?[/QUOTE] Not those dirty gypsies, that's for sure, haha :rolleyes: The cherrypicking is strong.
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