• Smokey Nagata hitting 197MPH on UK public roads, circa '99
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[QUOTE=Rixxz2;49962939]From an engineering standpoint guns have beauty to them as well, that doesn't make it right or "cool" to fire them into targets with random people in between[/QUOTE] It sure as hell makes you appreciate the nerves and skills of the guys with the guns, though. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI01qKAqYts[/media] This is literally insane, the gun safety nazi inside me is clawing to get out and strangle these guys. But I can't help but watch and think "man you know what that's kinda tight."
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49970642]There is no amount of talent or skill to justify reckless driving on public roads. Yes, its done and obviously lambasting this dude over something that happened seventeen years ago isn't going to change that, but there are a ton of people that still do this shit and that is not okay. Hell, we even had a Facepuncher get arrested for illegal road racing after one of his friends was killed. The idea that anybody can be too good of a driver to ever get in an accident is stupid as fuck. All it takes is another car showing up where or when you don't expect it, and you have just killed yourself and somebody else (or several somebodies). It couldn't be more stupid and dangerous if you were randomly firing a gun out the window. I don't care if you think I'm a buzzkill. There is nothing cool about pulling this shit on open public roads. Keep it on tracks.[/QUOTE] Well, you are being sort of a buzzkill. Everyone knows this, especially on facepunch where we listen to our heads before anything else. Theres a reason why everyone else is saying "we know this, get over it."
Lol, I just bought a Supra like the one Smokey drives, except mine has about a billion horsepower less. The day I got it, I tried to floor it to see how fast it'd go, and when I got to 90 mph my balls were already crawled up inside my stomach so I hit the brake pedal :v: I guess I don't have what it takes. It's no joke going as fast as he does. Nor if if he succeeds, and especially not if he fails. This is my baby: [t]http://i.imgur.com/dFRY7VT.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Duck M.;49964231]The JDM culture is so cool and fascinating and is definitely my favorite branch of automotive history. Great thread, thanks to rampage and roby esp. for all the great info and history.[/QUOTE] Yeah definitely. It could just be because I'm getting the romanticized filtered version of it, but car culture in Japan has always seemed like something else. It's why I really wish somebody would make a hardcore racing sim set on Japan's freeways. I'll never race at 150mph on Japan's Hot Wheels-esque highways, so a racing sim would be a natural fit for the subject.
[QUOTE=Ferosso;49970699]Lol, I just bought a Supra like the one Smokey drives, except mine has about a billion horsepower less. The day I got it, I tried to floor it to see how fast it'd go, and when I got to 90 mph my balls were already crawled up inside my stomach so I hit the brake pedal :v: I guess I don't have what it takes. It's no joke going as fast as he does. Nor if if he succeeds, and especially not if he fails. This is my baby: [t]http://i.imgur.com/dFRY7VT.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Na?
this is the C1 Loop in Tokyo, this really was crazy with lots of weaving between non-racers and narrow 2-lane carriageways. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUsxrU1KNBg[/media] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLV7K8wCPyE[/media] The loop on the map: [IMG]http://speedhunters-wp-production.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Map1.jpg[/IMG] Done at a more pedestrian speed: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daVDdqGa0m4[/media] I'm quite sad that the UK doesn't have these intercity highways, they look just wonderful to just take a cruise on, because you don't really end up anywhere far from where you started, whereas with normal motorways they're quite ugly, no scenery and you end up far from where you started.
I had to come back to this thread after all the videos were posted; it reminded me of this Jalopnik article that featured this guy drifting his M5 in a parking lot. Not something you see very often, but I creamed by pants at the sound of that v8 and his very apparent skill behind the wheel. Where he whips around at :40 is just so satisfying to watch! [video=youtube_share;ox_wIsgjssc]http://youtu.be/ox_wIsgjssc[/video] "dem dang bee-em-ahduhbwahus dang damn" at the end gets me every time.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eno46ooYm0[/media] A little off topic since it's a more controlled environment, but I wanted to share this since we're talking about drifting skill...
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49970423] There's nothing wrong with enjoying your vehicle, but it is NOT a toy. It's size, weight, and speed makes it a weapon, and it should be respected as such. Have you any idea how many people are killed each year by reckless drivers? I watched my own damn neighbor die in my driveway after being hit and thrown by somebody speeding through our neighborhood. It's not fucking cool, it's not just a bit of harmless fun. If you want to drive like a racer driver, go to a private track. Don't gamble with other peoples' lives for an adrenaline rush.[/QUOTE] You're being a bit of a killjoy here. It depends where you do it. I've done around 200 on a highway near me that is completely clear at night time. In addition to being able to see traffic from over a mile away the only person at risk is myself. Shit is fun yo, and not everyone has access to a race track. This being said, the shit where people are weaving in and out of traffic. No fucking way, that shit is not ok.
Some rare photos being posted publicly by one of the only English speaking people who have gotten their head in with some of the Mid Night Clubs former members. The machines are beautiful. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5ZLr4XW.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1gg5hap.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/19Bg9fV.jpg[/IMG] Currently at this thread: [URL]http://boards.4chan.org/o/thread/14743753[/URL]
Bunch of legends right there
You people don't know the amount of engineering that went into making these cars "controllable" to drive at 200mph. At the level of modification these guys had it at, they would be at the same level of GT2 race cars. The Midnight Club wasn't about "hitting the 200mph" mark. It's about reaching 200mph and staying there, without killing yourself and others. Go on youtube and you'll find any retarded bogan stripping their car inside and out with the cheapest civic they could find. The Midnight Club's famous Porsche 930 Turbo ([url]http://oppositelock.kinja.com/wangans-infamous-blackbird-porsche-930-turbo-1520243773[/url])had over [B]2 million USD [/B] dropped into it. The leader of the group spent most of the money filling it top to bottom with body reinforcement, down to the car's frame. The cooling and suspension work you need to put into a car to stop it from snap-oversteering, the engine itself exploding, not to mention the absolute hazard in such a moment, seeing they probably had huge gas-tanks to handle so much gas-consumption. All this was factored in to the car, like any professional built race car. The car has to withstand 200mph for 15 minutes straight. The Midnight Club's "Blackbird" did that [I]night after night,[/I] before the Bugatti Veyron ever could. The Lambo Diablo at the time could only do that for 3 minutes before overheating. [I]The Bugatti runs out of gas before that amount of time.[/I] Like I said, they were no less than full-on FIA engineered race cars. I could never give the Blackbird justice, because no-one has ever gone that far in-depth in examining the car nowadays, and no-one really knows the ALL details of the Blackbird itself. All the Midnight Club members are unidentified besides Smokey Nagata and a few others are publicly known for being in the club. Obviously they were professionals in a way. The Fast and Furious has always been a more negative impact to road safety, and way more teens are inspired by the dangerous-ness of FNF because the series itself never addressed the engineering, stupid amounts of money, and superior driving discipline needed to actually achieve those heights of racing.[I] It was a hollywood movie that probably killed more kids than the Midnight Club ever did[/I], seeing no-one of their own group killed anyone, or has died during their races. Any millionaire turd could do the same in a modern supercar (and many have, and ended up causing millions in damage), but no-one pays them attention, and many scold them, and not the Midnight Club. Why? Because street supercars are engineered at a limit, the Midnight Club vehicles, all the major ones (Blackbird, the "ABR 280Z", a certain red R32, a dark blue RX7, Smokey's many Top Secret cars, and even a fully-fledged AW11 MR2,)-- became fully engineered race cars for the road.
i dont believe this 200mph for 15 minutes stuff. maybe a minute or so at a time, several times over 15 minutes, but theres no way they were up there for 15min straight
[QUOTE=Ridley;50036073]The Fast and Furious has always been a more negative impact to road safety, and way more teens are inspired by the dangerous-ness of FNF because the series itself never addressed the engineering, stupid amounts of money, and superior driving discipline needed to actually achieve those heights of racing.[/QUOTE] If I could, then I would plaster this in every public place possible. Because that's exactly why the FnF movie series pisses me off something incredibly fierce, as both someone with interests in engineering and as a automotive racing enthusiast.
[QUOTE=Van-man;50036643]If I could, then I would plaster this in every public place possible. Because that's exactly why the FnF movie series pisses me off something incredibly fierce, as both someone with interests in engineering and as a automotive racing enthusiast.[/QUOTE] Hence why Tokyo Drift is the only good one of the bunch, and that's speaking highly of it. I feel like it had the most racing of all the movies, and even then it was extremely lacking. They're just movies in the end. But the Midnight Club and the culture behind it is mysticly mesmerizing as fuck. Had no idea how hardcore those machines were.
[QUOTE=Ridley;50036073]You people don't know the amount of engineering that went into making these cars "controllable" to drive at 200mph. At the level of modification these guys had it at, they would be at the same level of GT2 race cars. The Midnight Club wasn't about "hitting the 200mph" mark. It's about reaching 200mph and staying there, without killing yourself and others. Go on youtube and you'll find any retarded bogan stripping their car inside and out with the cheapest civic they could find. The Midnight Club's famous Porsche 930 Turbo ([url]http://oppositelock.kinja.com/wangans-infamous-blackbird-porsche-930-turbo-1520243773[/url])had over [B]2 million USD [/B] dropped into it. The leader of the group spent most of the money filling it top to bottom with body reinforcement, down to the car's frame. The cooling and suspension work you need to put into a car to stop it from snap-oversteering, the engine itself exploding, not to mention the absolute hazard in such a moment, seeing they probably had huge gas-tanks to handle so much gas-consumption. All this was factored in to the car, like any professional built race car. The car has to withstand 200mph for 15 minutes straight. The Midnight Club's "Blackbird" did that [I]night after night,[/I] before the Bugatti Veyron ever could. The Lambo Diablo at the time could only do that for 3 minutes before overheating. [I]The Bugatti runs out of gas before that amount of time.[/I] Like I said, they were no less than full-on FIA engineered race cars. I could never give the Blackbird justice, because no-one has ever gone that far in-depth in examining the car nowadays, and no-one really knows the ALL details of the Blackbird itself. All the Midnight Club members are unidentified besides Smokey Nagata and a few others are publicly known for being in the club. Obviously they were professionals in a way. The Fast and Furious has always been a more negative impact to road safety, and way more teens are inspired by the dangerous-ness of FNF because the series itself never addressed the engineering, stupid amounts of money, and superior driving discipline needed to actually achieve those heights of racing.[I] It was a hollywood movie that probably killed more kids than the Midnight Club ever did[/I], seeing no-one of their own group killed anyone, or has died during their races. Any millionaire turd could do the same in a modern supercar (and many have, and ended up causing millions in damage), but no-one pays them attention, and many scold them, and not the Midnight Club. Why? Because street supercars are engineered at a limit, the Midnight Club vehicles, all the major ones (Blackbird, the "ABR 280Z", a certain red R32, a dark blue RX7, Smokey's many Top Secret cars, and even a fully-fledged AW11 MR2,)-- became fully engineered race cars for the road.[/QUOTE] Smokey was not part of the club iirc
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;50037011]Smokey was not part of the club iirc[/QUOTE] Really? I was for sure he's was. Nvm
[QUOTE=Ridley;50038518]Really? I was for sure he's was. Nvm[/QUOTE] apparently he was too reckless.
[QUOTE=Ridley;50036073]You people don't know the amount of engineering that went into making these cars "controllable" to drive at 200mph. At the level of modification these guys had it at, they would be at the same level of GT2 race cars. The Midnight Club wasn't about "hitting the 200mph" mark. It's about reaching 200mph and staying there, without killing yourself and others. Go on youtube and you'll find any retarded bogan stripping their car inside and out with the cheapest civic they could find. The Midnight Club's famous Porsche 930 Turbo ([url]http://oppositelock.kinja.com/wangans-infamous-blackbird-porsche-930-turbo-1520243773[/url])had over [B]2 million USD [/B] dropped into it. The leader of the group spent most of the money filling it top to bottom with body reinforcement, down to the car's frame. The cooling and suspension work you need to put into a car to stop it from snap-oversteering, the engine itself exploding, not to mention the absolute hazard in such a moment, seeing they probably had huge gas-tanks to handle so much gas-consumption. All this was factored in to the car, like any professional built race car. The car has to withstand 200mph for 15 minutes straight. The Midnight Club's "Blackbird" did that [I]night after night,[/I] before the Bugatti Veyron ever could. The Lambo Diablo at the time could only do that for 3 minutes before overheating. [I]The Bugatti runs out of gas before that amount of time.[/I] Like I said, they were no less than full-on FIA engineered race cars. I could never give the Blackbird justice, because no-one has ever gone that far in-depth in examining the car nowadays, and no-one really knows the ALL details of the Blackbird itself. All the Midnight Club members are unidentified besides Smokey Nagata and a few others are publicly known for being in the club. Obviously they were professionals in a way. The Fast and Furious has always been a more negative impact to road safety, and way more teens are inspired by the dangerous-ness of FNF because the series itself never addressed the engineering, stupid amounts of money, and superior driving discipline needed to actually achieve those heights of racing.[I] It was a hollywood movie that probably killed more kids than the Midnight Club ever did[/I], seeing no-one of their own group killed anyone, or has died during their races. Any millionaire turd could do the same in a modern supercar (and many have, and ended up causing millions in damage), but no-one pays them attention, and many scold them, and not the Midnight Club. Why? Because street supercars are engineered at a limit, the Midnight Club vehicles, all the major ones (Blackbird, the "ABR 280Z", a certain red R32, a dark blue RX7, Smokey's many Top Secret cars, and even a fully-fledged AW11 MR2,)-- became fully engineered race cars for the road.[/QUOTE] I come across threads like this from time to time. I don't mean to sound like a dickhead, if I do it's not my intention, but all that above ^^^ is mainly none sense. You have about 10% of the details correct. Pretty much every, and I mean 95% of all midnight cars were street cars. No race cars, or race mods, or FIA this or that. They all had a cage, and that was about it. Your information is mainly taken from an article about 'blackbird' and 'devil Z' which is mainly story based, and the facts are no where near. The car people call 'Blackbird' was not black, not called blackbird, wasn't actually capable of doing much over 300kph (actually last test conditions speed was 301) let alone 200mph. It had zero race car mods or preparation. It was a full fat street car in every sense, it would take seconds in its presence to see this. No weight saving, no body strengthening, it had a FULL CUSTOM LEATHER interior. There was no super duper mods that kept it from blowing up, it did, a few times, as did many many owners cars. Japanese tuning at the time was moving forward at a crazy pace, but even by the late 90s was still very primative in its approach. But.... The driving skill part is very very true. They did many tracks days, and still do, at least 10 of the guys have done at least one track day in the last 3 weeks alone. The pictures above are not technically midnight cars, only one was used for midnight racing, all the others are owned by members.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;50035173]Some rare photos being posted publicly by one of the only English speaking people who have gotten their head in with some of the Mid Night Clubs former members. The machines are beautiful. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5ZLr4XW.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1gg5hap.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/19Bg9fV.jpg[/IMG] Currently at this thread: [URL]http://boards.4chan.org/o/thread/14743753[/URL][/QUOTE] As I've mentioned below, there is probably only one of these cars that was used in anger on the street during the 'racing period' the others are members owned cars. The top picture and bottom picture are kinda linked. The middle picture is the most recent, taken only a few months ago at a meet up. That's not to say these cars didn't get used and used hard. Black Ferrari was very track focused! And the green porsche does thousands of Kms on drives and many track days. These pictures to 99% of people will be just pictures, there is more details and stories in them than you could imagine
[QUOTE=Hosoki;51231844]As I've mentioned below, there is probably only one of these cars that was used in anger on the street during the 'racing period' the others are members owned cars. The top picture and bottom picture are kinda linked. The middle picture is the most recent, taken only a few months ago at a meet up. That's not to say these cars didn't get used and used hard. Black Ferrari was very track focused! And the green porsche does thousands of Kms on drives and many track days. These pictures to 99% of people will be just pictures, there is more details and stories in them than you could imagine[/QUOTE] Did you make an account just to post in this thread? How do you know these things, just research? That black F355 is absolutely gorgeous, like a lot of their cars.
[QUOTE=Zombii;51232066]Did you make an account just to post in this thread? How do you know these things, just research? That black F355 is absolutely gorgeous, like a lot of their cars.[/QUOTE] Research alone would only get you so far. I've followed the group since they were active, now I'm lucky enough to have formed friendships. Their world is very small and very private. The thread title was discovered through Google. I met Nagata San back in 2008, and he has always been of interest. I find it interesting people still discuss the club/team. But there is so much mis information out there. People take what is written then regurgitate it, like its gospel, when much of it is utter rubbish
[QUOTE=Hosoki;51232209]Research alone would only get you so far. I've followed the group since they were active, now I'm lucky enough to have formed friendships. Their world is very small and very private. The thread title was discovered through Google. I met Nagata San back in 2008, and he has always been of interest. I find it interesting people still discuss the club/team. But there is so much mis information out there. People take what is written then regurgitate it, like its gospel, when much of it is utter rubbish[/QUOTE] You're so lucky... tell us more!
[QUOTE=Hosoki;51227912]I come across threads like this from time to time. I don't mean to sound like a dickhead, if I do it's not my intention, but all that above ^^^ is mainly none sense. You have about 10% of the details correct. Pretty much every, and I mean 95% of all midnight cars were street cars. No race cars, or race mods, or FIA this or that. They all had a cage, and that was about it. Your information is mainly taken from an article about 'blackbird' and 'devil Z' which is mainly story based, and the facts are no where near. The car people call 'Blackbird' was not black, not called blackbird, wasn't actually capable of doing much over 300kph (actually last test conditions speed was 301) let alone 200mph. It had zero race car mods or preparation. It was a full fat street car in every sense, it would take seconds in its presence to see this. No weight saving, no body strengthening, it had a FULL CUSTOM LEATHER interior. There was no super duper mods that kept it from blowing up, it did, a few times, as did many many owners cars. Japanese tuning at the time was moving forward at a crazy pace, but even by the late 90s was still very primative in its approach. But.... The driving skill part is very very true. They did many tracks days, and still do, at least 10 of the guys have done at least one track day in the last 3 weeks alone. The pictures above are not technically midnight cars, only one was used for midnight racing, all the others are owned by members.[/QUOTE] I'm not entirely sure about the other cars, but the Porsche was definitely not stock or near stock. Maybe on the exterior, but the engine was completely rebuilt and made around 620hp.
[QUOTE=joost1120;51232697]I'm not entirely sure about the other cars, but the Porsche was definitely not stock or near stock. Maybe on the exterior, but the engine was completely rebuilt and made around 620hp.[/QUOTE] Not once did I ever say it was stock or near stock. It was far from stock. It was also rebuilt, and tuned many times. The point I was making in that particular reply was in response to the notion that midnight cars were rebuilt as race cars, with race car preparation, with extensive weight saving and body strengthening. This is utter rubbish when talking about their cars. May I ask how you know 'it was rebuilt and made around 620hp'
[QUOTE=Hosoki;51232733]Not once did I ever say it was stock or near stock. It was far from stock. It was also rebuilt, and tuned many times. The point I was making in that particular reply was in response to the notion that midnight cars were rebuilt as race cars, with race car preparation, with extensive weight saving and body strengthening. This is utter rubbish when talking about their cars. May I ask how you know 'it was rebuilt and made around 620hp'[/QUOTE] It was rebuilt and tuned by Mid Night Porsche Works, as was shown on the car itself. The car itself is now in hands of a Premier Cars dealership. They've released a few pictures of the engine and it definitely doesn't look stock. The HP is what's said about the car. On the first rebuild it had around 500hp, as Yoshida said that was a good number. He still couldn't do 350km/h like the Yellow Bird, so he took it back. After the second rebuild it was rumored to be around 620. Which seems pretty plausible, considering the car went 302km/h. [editline]20th October 2016[/editline] Although nothing's really confirmed about it.
[QUOTE=joost1120;51232811]It was rebuilt and tuned by Mid Night Porsche Works, as was shown on the car itself. The car itself is now in hands of a Premier Cars dealership. They've released a few pictures of the engine and it definitely doesn't look stock. The HP is what's said about the car. On the first rebuild it had around 500hp, as Yoshida said that was a good number. He still couldn't do 350km/h like the Yellow Bird, so he took it back. After the second rebuild it was rumored to be around 620. Which seems pretty plausible, considering the car went 302km/h.[/QUOTE] So your answer is 'I read it in dinos speedhunters article' ? No, the car doesn't reside in any car dealership for sale. The car wasnt handed over to midnight porsche works, the car 'is' midnight porsche works! So either the author made that mistake on purpose or you'd want to question his information ;)
[QUOTE=Hosoki;51232923]So your answer is 'I read it in dinos speedhunters article' ? No, the car doesn't reside in any car dealership for sale. The car wasnt handed over to midnight porsche works, the car 'is' midnight porsche works! So either the author made that mistake on purpose or you'd want to question his information ;)[/QUOTE] "The car wasnt handed over to midnight porsche works, the car 'is' midnight porsche works!" So it is rebuilt and tuned by midnight porsche works, just like I said. I doubt the car is for sale. The dealer has a lot of custom and unique cars. Either way, the fact that there's a large article with a lot of photos of the car sure beats having no source at all.
[QUOTE=joost1120;51233101]"The car wasnt handed over to midnight porsche works, the car 'is' midnight porsche works!" So it is rebuilt and tuned by midnight porsche works, just like I said. I doubt the car is for sale. The dealer has a lot of custom and unique cars. Either way, the fact that there's a large article with a lot of photos of the car sure beats having no source at all.[/QUOTE] As I said in a previous reply, I can come across in a certain way, like a bit of a dickhead. This is born out of frustration to a response like your very response. If you want to read the very limited information on the club posted online, and think, oh well, it must be true, then that's your choice. But you choose to ignore my comment of the car 'is' midnight porsche works. I guess I'll just forget it and move on. If you doubt the car is for sale then why not question why the author said it?
[QUOTE=Hosoki;51233223]As I said in a previous reply, I can come across in a certain way, like a bit of a dickhead. This is born out of frustration to a response like your very response. If you want to read the very limited information on the club posted online, and think, oh well, it must be true, then that's your choice. But you choose to ignore my comment of the car 'is' midnight porsche works. I guess I'll just forget it and move on. If you doubt the car is for sale then why not question why the author said it?[/QUOTE] I never said the car wasn't midnight porsche works? It even says so right on car. I don't know if the information on this source is right, but the car is rumored to have 700hp. 620hp is even more believable.
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