Lady freaks out over Veteran bringing in a"PTSD" service dog to a restaurant. - General

I see service dogs in training come into the store I work at all the time. I didn't even know people could ever think to react like that since they're essentially employed dogs.

[QUOTE=Aman;52695716]Am I an asshole for questioning the concept of "PTSD dog"?[/QUOTE] yes. [editline]19th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Nitro836;52696534]You have to wonder. What would make a person wake up in the morning, go to a restaurant and scream at an innocent person and their dog like it's some sort of capital offense to have helper dogs? What sort of psychological makeup makes your first response to dogs inside buildings be yelling incoherently? What is with people not trying to FIGURE OUT the WHY, instead of ASSUMING that the WHY is because of what THEY think it is? Was this angry person not taught deductive reasoning?[/QUOTE] 1. Insulation: "whatever I think is automatically right because I thought it, so naturally it is the correct thing, and I need not reflect on that, ever" 2. Ignorance + ego: pursuant to 1: "my narrow slice of life experience is the only experience necessary to travel through life, and therefore I need not ever experience any other stimuli, for my experience and worldview are inherently perfect, because I had them"

[QUOTE=Pascall;52695770]Service dogs are task trained. For someone who suffers from PTSD, they can provide Deep Pressure Therapy (DPT), a visual block if their handler has a nervous breakdown in public, can keep someone with self-harming ticks from hurting themselves by pawing at the arm or hand that does it, alerting someone else nearby for assistance, or retrieving things like medication or water when the handler is unable to do so. They fall under the umbrella of "Psychiatric Service Dogs" along with dogs that provide assistance for individuals with OCD, anxiety, depression, schizophrenia, bpd, and suicidal tendencies. As long as a dog is trained to perform specific tasks and is public access trained, they don't need any sort of "certification" be a service dog. However, a business can ask a handler to leave if they're not 100% in control of the dog. Meaning if the dog is barking, using the bathroom indoors, acting aggressive, etc. But if it's behaving, is out of the way, and is on the floor, then they're allowed to remain. The only places that dogs aren't allowed are places where it could be a health hazard (like in a restaurant's [I]kitchen[/I] or an ICU in a hospital) or where the presence of the dog could become a disturbance, like at a zoo or other animal-care facility where the other animals may react to it. ANYWAY. I've researched them a lot because I wanted to get one at one point and I still might some day but service dogs are great. [editline]18th September 2017[/editline] To note: Psychiatric service dogs (or any service dogs) are different from Emotional Support Animals which are [I]not[/I] task trained but just provide comfort by simply being a pet. ESA's are also not allowed in public spaces and can only be allowed on flights or in housing accommodations with notes from a doctor, therapist, or psychiatrist. Gotta know the difference.[/QUOTE] i was going to say i think esa's are bullshit and just an excuse for people to take there shitty dogs places they shouldnt like planes

[QUOTE=waylander;52698397]i was going to say i think esa's are bullshit and just an excuse for people to take there shitty dogs places they shouldnt like planes[/QUOTE] ESA's should be vetted more appropriately when considering flight and housing allowances (like I said, they [I]do[/I] require a doctor's note) but ESA's [I]do not[/I] have public access rights. I still wouldn't take it upon yourself to police people for doing so, but businesses do have the ability to tell them to leave in that case. ESA's are a valid thing when used appropriately though. They provide a lot of support for certain people who benefit from companionship as well as the physical benefits that have been proven to come from petting dogs/cats, etc like lower heart rate and reduced stress.

I want to know how that escalated. If she doesn't want to eat with a dog in the business, then just leave? I wonder who started it. I thought her at first but maybe I'm jumping to conclusions.

I don't know why, but when that soft old man voice came in saying "Stop it" I started laughing.

[QUOTE=Skerion;52695629]Aren't service dogs trained to not to go potty unless they're given permission to? Why is she freaking out over the service dog if she doesn't have to worry about him shitting on the floor?[/QUOTE] She doesn't know that. That's the root of all evil.

I'm a veteran and have seen/heard of dogs like this being used to help with PTSD. It works and it's a great thing available to veterans. It's just mind-boggling there's 3 minutes of this (and who knows how long before it started being recorded). Just leave and go to another restaurant. I can't stand people that go absolutely apeshit over such tiny things. It's not like this was some dirty stray dog from the street roaming around the place because the owner felt bad for it being outside. No. It's a trained dog with a serious purpose and I'm sure the dog is well groomed. Ugh, what an obnoxious asshole. I'm sure she has had plenty of outbursts like this before.

The lady made a second video. [url]http://www.projectrepublictoday.com/2017/09/22/watch-woman-abused-veteran-service-dog-blames-racism/[/url]

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;52695765]I never got the concept of therapy animals myself, but only because I personally couldn't see how the comfort of a dog could help [I]me[/I] deal with trauma or stress, at least not anymore than my normal pets could. But I still think it's absolutely amazing that they do indeed work and can be trained to do things like waking up a PTSD sufferer from a nightmare. Melts my hearts actually, dogs really are mans best friend.[/QUOTE] This one dog that lives somewhat close by that I now sure have some history with managed to be a unlicensed therapy dog last years when I was waning off some anti-depressants that had made me emotionally dead :cry: And that same dog recognized me last week when I was passing by, so I went to pet him and when I noticed that he was home alone I hung out for a while. And he was smart enough to articulately ask me to flip his food bowl that had flipped over and trapped the food inside, by whining, grabbing my hand with his mouth and dragging me to his bowl and then scratching his bowl.

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[QUOTE=Aman;52695716]Am I an asshole for questioning the concept of "PTSD dog"?[/QUOTE] Not for questioning, but for not googling for information about it. Err I am not calling you an asshole. Just uninformed. [editline]24th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=V12US;52712536][b]Welcome to argument simulator, what would you like to do?[/b] [i]- Start an argument[/i] <----- [i]- Join an existing argument[/i] [i]- Exit (quit)[/i] [b]You have chosen to start an argument. What would you like to argue about?[/b] [i]- Religion[/i] [i]- Racism[/i] [i]- Politics[/i] [i]- Your opinion (other)[/i] <----- [b]You have started an argument about your opinion. Someone disagrees with you. What do you do?[/b] [i]- Back your opinion up with facts[/i] [i]- Refute their points to prove they're wrong[/i] [i]- Walk away (quit)[/i] [i]- Raise your voice and repeat yourself[/i] <---- [b]You have raised your voice and repeated your opinion. The other person is now annoyed. They disagree with you again. What do you do?[/b] [i]- Calm down, back up your opinion with facts.[/i] [i]- Calm down, refute their points to prove they're wrong.[/i] [i]- Walk away (quit)[/i] [i]- Interrupt them and start screaming like a little bitch[/i] <---- [b]You've walked up to the other person and started screaming in their face. They've also started screaming. What do you do?[/b] [i]- Scream louder until you get removed from the scene (quit)[/i] [i]- Scream louder until you pass out (quit)[/i] [i]- Walk away, screaming, ranting and raving like a fucking lunatic (quit)[/i] <----[/QUOTE] Can I have the Prepare to Die edition which adds options with guns and more violence?

[QUOTE=Aman;52695716]Am I an asshole for questioning the concept of "PTSD dog"?[/QUOTE] Hypothetically, yes you would be. I don't even have a trained service dog and my dog actually really helps me a lot.