An idiot baiting cops with a fucking AR-15 with his pregnant wife filming it all

[Curls]

[QUOTE=Saturn V;44390753]Oh my fuckign god these anti-cop idiots are the worst people ever.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJb4tUGx6FQ&list=TLVtdTov82S4TazZSvD1l2c3sURIelJm9i[/media]

"Are you drunk?" "I don't have to answer that"

These fucking assclowns seriously can't answer simple questions without resorting to their idiotic "rights"[/QUOTE]

it makes me wish this guy would get into a crash and break a leg or something because he was drinking

what an incestuous shitlord

[Aide]

Open carry is dumb. Hey I feel the need to protect my self when I'm out because anyone or everyone could be a treat. If you honestly feel that threaten there is either something wrong with you or the place your are living.

I have open carry in my state and I see no good reason for it to exist or to serve any use.

[Curls]

[QUOTE=nerdster409;44395483]It's not like this everywhere in the US.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44395909]that's obvious. there's still a large portion of americans that think that way, and that shouldn't be ignored[/QUOTE]

There are way too many places anyways like this

[Kuru]

[QUOTE=J!NX;44395979]There are way too many places anyways like this[/QUOTE]

The open carry law exists where I live, yet we never have incidents like in the OP. Something like that happens once in a blue moon, yet people treat it like it's everyday life.

[Curls]

[QUOTE=nerdster409;44396042]The open carry law exists where I live, yet we never have incidents like in the OP. Something like that happens once in a blue moon, yet people treat it like it's everyday life.[/QUOTE]

to be fair, it happens one too many times

[MadPro119]

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;44391597]In my town it's normal to walk from place to place. I bought a break-action shotgun and carried it home, and since it was an antique there was no way to fit a sling to it and they didn't have any cases left, so I carried it open to show it wasn't ready. A police officer stopped me and asked me what I was doing, I explained, he complimented me on the catch, offered me a ride, I declined since I was around the block from my house at the time, we shook hands and he sent me on my way.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Yet in this situation the officer got out of his car and immediately drew his weapon. The officer didn't ask and check up on the situation, he drew and targeted a deadly weapon on him.

Don't get me wrong this man is fucking retarded but still, the situation doesn't seem like it was handled too well.

[Ganix565]

[QUOTE=MadPro119;44396184]Exactly. Yet in this situation the officer got out of his car and immediately drew his weapon. The officer didn't ask and check up on the situation, he drew and targeted a deadly weapon on him.

Don't get me wrong this man is fucking retarded but still, the situation doesn't seem like it was handled too well.[/QUOTE]

if he had wanted to hurt someone, asking and checking up on the situation would end in disaster. most likely he wanted to immediately neutralize any threat so that the other officers could follow up and ask the man what's up.

[joost1120]

[QUOTE=MadPro119;44396184]Exactly. Yet in this situation the officer got out of his car and immediately drew his weapon. The officer didn't ask and check up on the situation, he drew and targeted a deadly weapon on him.

Don't get me wrong this man is fucking retarded but still, the situation doesn't seem like it was handled too well.[/QUOTE]

I don't know how things go in the US, but if a man walks on the street carrying an assault rifle in the Netherlands, he'd go behind bars for years, if he doesn't just get shot.
Walking around and waving a gun in people's faces should not be a right, it should be a crime.

[Chicken_Chaser]

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[MadPro119]

[QUOTE=Ganix565;44396257]if he had wanted to hurt someone, asking and checking up on the situation would end in disaster. most likely he wanted to immediately neutralize any threat so that the other officers could follow up and ask the man what's up.[/QUOTE]

If he had wanted to hurt someone he wouldn't have walked down the road with a rifle slung over his shoulder.

At what point does it become wrong to exit the car with a gun draw and tell them to get on the ground?

Its okay at an AR-15.

How about a SMG?

How about a pistol?

[smurfy]

What's open carry actually intended to be used for? What can you carry and not have the cops freak out? Is it meant to be just a small handgun or something?

[zukriuchen]

[QUOTE=MadPro119;44396334]If he had wanted to hurt someone he wouldn't have walked down the road with a rifle slung over his shoulder. [/QUOTE]

so if i actually DO want to hurt someone i can just carry my rifle like that until i get to a crowded enough place is what you're saying

[editline]30th March 2014[/editline]

my point is: you can't actually tell if someone's going to want to hurt someone or not just like that

[Supacasey]

Morons like these are why the rest of the world think we're all gun crazy "dont fring on muh rites" rednecks.

[MadPro119]

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44396364]so if i actually DO want to hurt someone i can just carry my rifle like that until i get to a crowded enough place is what you're saying

[editline]30th March 2014[/editline]

my point is: you can't actually tell if someone's going to want to hurt someone or not just like that[/QUOTE]

So, how do you open carry a rifle where open carrying rifles is legal?

[angelangel]

The first time I ever saw a 'regular person' carrying a firearm was at LAX airport, this guy was just unloading his car boot and his pistol was just casually poking out of his waistband for all the world to see.

[Fhenexx]

[QUOTE=MadPro119;44396184]Exactly. Yet in this situation the officer got out of his car and immediately drew his weapon. The officer didn't ask and check up on the situation, he drew and targeted a deadly weapon on him.

Don't get me wrong this man is fucking retarded but still, the situation doesn't seem like it was handled too well.[/QUOTE]
Maybe he was on patrol and it just caught him off-guard. He's human, too, maybe he just got scared. I mean it's not [I]everyday[/I] that someone just walks around with an AR-15 over his shoulder.

I'm not saying what he did was right, but just put yourself in the guy's shoes.

[LAMDA]

[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;44390276]is this illegal? I'm not familiar with laws in America.[/QUOTE]

It's not illegal, but its unnecessary. Gives responsible, and I mean responsible in a rational sense, gun owners a bad name. Kid is walking around with a self defense weapon into a mob of cops, seems like he's going to start shit.

[smfE]

would scare me if i saw a person walk with a gun like that on the street, a pistol even when it's not a cop

[RR_Raptor65]

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44395909]that's obvious. there's still a large portion of americans that think that way, and that shouldn't be ignored[/QUOTE]

A lot of people move to places like this specifically to get away from people like you and IceWarrior, so small wonder that they get angry when people try to change their new home into the thing they were trying to escape from in the first place. Sorry if that hurts but it's the truth, so you better take a long hard look at yourselves before you judge other people.
This is also the reason why you'll never see another Federal gun ban put in place, and a lot of states won't even recognize one if it were to pass.

[QUOTE=joost1120;44396267]I don't know how things go in the US, but if a man walks on the street carrying an assault rifle in the Netherlands, he'd go behind bars for years, if he doesn't just get shot.
[B]Walking around and waving a gun in people's faces should not be a right, it should be a crime.[/B][/QUOTE]

This is already a crime in the US, it's called "Assault with a deadly weapon".
Carrying a gun slung or holstered is legal and people don't do it to be threatening.

When it comes to open carry, some people do it because they can, others because they don't want to pay for a CCW permit (And thus support laws they don't agree with) and others because it's part of their own philosophy. People who lawfully carry weapons don't consider it paranoia, they consider it preparedness, it's not the law they want to take into their own hands, just their own lives.

Quite frankly CCW laws are bullshit anyway. For example, if you have a CCW permit and cover the gun up with a coat, then decide to take your coat off thus exposing the gun, you just broke the law even if you live in a place that allows Open carry. The only legal way to go from Concealed carry to Open carry is to go where no one can see you, then you can take your coat off, hell if someone ACCIDENTALLY sees the gun you broke the law. But you can go from Open carry to Concealed carry anywhere, doesn't matter if someone can see you.
Oh and by the way, the charge for breaking the law is the aforementioned "Assault with a deadly weapon". A felony because someone saw you take your coat off.

[Grenadiac]

[QUOTE=Covalency;44391969]how to properly handle a situation like this

instead of looking like a jackass, and behaving like a twat like so many of these people do in their videos.[/QUOTE]

Honestly that's probably how it goes in most such stops.

[zukriuchen]

[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;44396619]A lot of people move to places like this specifically to get away from people like you and IceWarrior, so small wonder that they get angry when people try to change their new home into the thing they were trying to escape from in the first place. Sorry if that hurts but it's the truth, so you better take a long hard look at yourselves before you judge other people.
This is also the reason why you'll never see another Federal gun ban put in place, and a lot of states won't even recognize one if it were to pass.[/QUOTE]

what are you even talking about? i'm honestly curious, i have no clue what you mean by "people like you"

[MadPro119]

[QUOTE=Fhenexx;44396477]Maybe he was on patrol and it just caught him off-guard. He's human, too, maybe he just got scared. I mean it's not [I]everyday[/I] that someone just walks around with an AR-15 over his shoulder.

I'm not saying what he did was right, but just put yourself in the guy's shoes.[/QUOTE]

I get that 100%. Its a scary sight especially as a police officer who would have to deal with that man if he made any poor decisions.

However, anyone transporting a rifle openly should not have to lie down in the middle of the road with a gun drawn on him everytime he intends to transport a rifle on foot.

[Grenadiac]

It'd have helped if the rifle was secured properly instead of just dangling wantonly by its strap, and the dude stood up straight instead of loping along.

[editline]29th March 2014[/editline]

And not loaded

[RR_Raptor65]

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44396793]what are you even talking about? i'm honestly curious, i have no clue what you mean by "people like you"[/QUOTE]

People who seek to put laws in place that ban the use and carrying of weapons, it's typically people from outside the area that try to enforce this. We do not want to become California or New York, we even go so far as to resist the current Federal firearm laws.

Recently a law was passed in Idaho which makes it illegal for a Federal employee to enforce any new firearm laws under threat of 1 years prison sentence, and there is another headed for a public vote later this year which would make every Idaho citizen a member of the militia by default, the goal there is to make everyone exempt from Federal firearm laws though I doubt the Federal Government will allow this.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;44396827]And not loaded[/QUOTE]

Well if it's not loaded then it defeats the purpose of open carrying.

[Grenadiac]

Toting around a loaded AR-15 on a loose dangly strap is asking for trouble, sorry. I'm very pro-gun, pro-carry, I own seven guns. But that guy looked and acted like a fucking idiot. I'd have stopped him, too, and I won't say I wouldn't have a bead on him from the beginning.

[MadPro119]

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;44396964]Toting around a loaded AR-15 on a loose dangly strap is asking for trouble, sorry. I'm very pro-gun, pro-carry, I own seven guns. But that guy looked and acted like a fucking idiot. I'd have stopped him, too, and I won't say I wouldn't have a bead on him from the beginning.[/QUOTE]

I get ya. Same account has a video of a white man in Oregon open carrying where the gun is properly secured and the police don't immediately, or ever for that matter, draw their weapons.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9N7OaMUJU0[/media]

[BulletofHell]

If I was that first officer I'd be more than damn-well ready to cap that Riff Raff motherfucker. Anyone who says otherwise wouldn't survive long as a cop. There's been plenty of crazy fucks who've decided one day that they've had enough and honestly "open carry" would be the last thing I'd be thinking he was doing. Looks like someone straight outta Los Santos

[zukriuchen]

[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;44396947]People who seek to put laws in place that ban the use and carrying of weapons, it's typically people from outside the area that try to enforce this. We do not want to become California or New York, we even go so far as to resist the current Federal firearm laws.

Recently a law was passed in Idaho which makes it illegal for a Federal employee to enforce any new firearm laws under threat of 1 years prison sentence, and there is another headed for a public vote later this year which would make every Idaho citizen a member of the militia by default, the goal there is to make everyone exempt from Federal firearm laws though I doubt the Federal Government will allow this.[/QUOTE]

have you ever thought that maybe it'd be good to "become california or new york"

[MadPro119]

[QUOTE=BulletofHell;44397053]If I was that first officer I'd be more than damn-well ready to cap that Riff Raff motherfucker. Anyone who says otherwise wouldn't survive long as a cop. There's been plenty of crazy fucks who've decided one day that they've had enough and honestly "open carry" would be the last thing I'd be thinking he was doing. Looks like someone straight outta Los Santos[/QUOTE]

Uhm, but in all of 2013 only 33 cops died to gunfire. The majority of the 33 were to handgun fire. Meaning [B]at the most [/B]16 deaths were to rifle fire. Meaning as a police officer in the United States (one of 794,300) you have a 0.00002% chance of dieing to rifle fire per year of policing.

33: [url]http://articles.latimes.com/2013/dec/30/nation/la-na-nn-police-deaths-20131230[/url]
#ofpolice: [url]http://www.bls.gov/ooh/protective-service/police-and-detectives.htm[/url]

[Grenadiac]

[QUOTE=MadPro119;44397017]I get ya. Same account has a video of a white man in Oregon open carrying where the gun is properly secured and the police don't immediately, or ever for that matter, draw their weapons.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9N7OaMUJU0[/media][/QUOTE]

It'd [I]really[/I] help if the people who did this didn't act so jumpy and shady all the time honestly. I understand he has the right not to tell the officers his name but when they're trying to be open and amicable it's frankly asinine to go "JUST EXERCISIN MY RIGHTS LOL"

These kinds of people expect all cops to be assholes and treat them like that even when they aren't. It's a really shitty thing to do.