[QUOTE=J!NX;44400714]they would make you believe the government is after them or something retarded though so yeeeeaaaah[/QUOTE]
*FEMA deathcamps and chemtrails etc etc*
You should view like 1 or 2 video's on Alex Jones youtube channel, shits hysterical.
[QUOTE=arthuro12;44400866]*FEMA deathcamps and chemtrails etc etc*
You should view like 1 or 2 video's on Alex Jones youtube channel, shits hysterical.[/QUOTE]
believe it or not there are worse people than that fucking idiot
and by worse I'm talking about his viewers & the people that "Do something about it"
and by "Do something about it" I mean shooting up a school because they can
I love how he let's it dangle by his right leg, I don't know much about being an operator; but that just looks childish/dangerous/ignorant to carry it like that.
I used to work at a gas station on the night shift. One time, this guy comes in to buy cigarettes and just happens to stretch in an obnoxious way to reveal his gun.
Like, he was doing it to show off that he could carry. He then proceeded to say something like "Can you believe someone has called the cops on me for this thing? This is AMERICA! Fucking pussies get scared when they see a gun! They wouldn't last a second back when our found fathers were around!"
My only run in with a concealed carrier and he was a complete idiot. The process to get a permit for this sort of thing should be able to weed out idiots like the guy in the OP. Concealed carry isn't meant to be for flaunting your 2nd Amendment as much as you can.
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[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44398541]TLDR: Gun Control promotes racism, class warfare, and bigotry.[/QUOTE]
which is why states with less gun control are such shining examples of a lack of racism. texas, arizona, kentucky... oh, wait.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;44401243]I used to work at a gas station on the night shift. One time, this guy comes in to buy cigarettes and just happens to stretch in an obnoxious way to reveal his gun.
Like, he was doing it to show off that he could carry. He then proceeded to say something like "Can you believe someone has called the cops on me for this thing? This is AMERICA! Fucking pussies get scared when they see a gun! They wouldn't last a second back when our found fathers were around!"
My only run in with a concealed carrier and he was a complete idiot. The process to get a permit for this sort of thing should be able to weed out idiots like the guy in the OP. Concealed carry isn't meant to be for flaunting your 2nd Amendment as much as you can.[/QUOTE]
You probably have encountered a lot of people who do conceal carry and if they were doing their part and not being an idiot like the one you encountered, you'd have no idea if they were.
Heck I met loads of people in Denver who carry, in general they're just ordinary nice folks. As I said, if they're doing their part you would never know if they were carrying or not.
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[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;44400041]The statement I find retarded is not the question whether or not it increases cost of the guns, it's your statement beforehand:
Okay first and foremost, a gun is not a basic human need. You have the right to bear arms, but a gun is still a luxury and thus you can't really say that "the price is wrong"[/quote]
We define things like water, food, and human rights a necessity to life. One of the rights described in Charter VII Article 51 of the United Nations is that no inherent law passed by the UN shall ever trump the collective(nation/governing body) or individual right to self-defense, so long as it's in protection of one's self determination and one's human rights. Firearm ownership is not any different from ownership of other weapons, such as knives, blunt objects, or anything else you choose to defend yourself with, it's just a matter of efficency. What would you trust your life with, and what would you trust your life with?
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Secondly, regarding your example, you do not need an assault rifle or any heavier type of gun to protect yourself and/or your home. Unless you're expecting massive riots in the US (which I don't believe will happen anytime soon), you're not going to need the guns much even.[/quote]
Massive Riots have happened in the past, and honestly, I don't own any major "assault rifles" I own two bolt actions, two pellet rifles, and a handgun. My handgun on it's own would be lackluster for home defense and my current model would not allow me to use P+ or anyform of hollow-point without damaging my handgun. Which is a Bulgarian Makarov by the way.
In a home defense situation, I would trust my life with efficency, and honestly, I would prefer to have a semi-auto in a varmint caliber like .223, because even if I miss, that .223 won't travel very far.
Think of it like a balancing act: Knock down power > CQ Capability > Travel after Hit/Miss
Some people would recommend a shotgun, but it does far to much damage for something I consider humane at points, if given reason, I would choose a semi-auto because I could hit once, and the person would still be savable, or in most cases... Not shoot at all, and try to talk the person down.
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Third, the last thing you need in a crime ridden area is more fucking guns. I mean jesus christ, do you WANT desperate people to have access to cheap guns in order to hold someone at gunpoint?[/quote]
I want everyone to have the right to decide their own choices in life. Good, Bad, Neutral. It's a matter of human rights to me, not a matter of where they live.
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Fourth, class warfare, for sure. I don't believe rich people go out flaunting their guns in the face of the poor, let alone use it against them. I'd also imagine the poor have much more pressing needs to complain about that actually do induce class warfare, such as the access to affordable homes and food. There are loopholes, sure, and those can be exploited by those who have enough money. But that is an error made by the system, that's not what happens in gun control "by nature".[/quote]
My reason for calling class-warfare like was because Gun Control tends to increase the restrictions and amount of regulations regarding gun ownership, limiting to certain classes of people. For example in the UK, it's considered a rich man's sport.
Whenever I make comparisons to gun ownership or weapon ownership in general, as said before... I compare it to voting. Every time someone brings up voting tests, people call foul, saying it is racist, promotes class warfare, and all this and that because it adds an educational limit to elections. This is true. It's fucked up to a degree because it stops people with a lesser-education from voting, or at worse... Locked Elections like NY.
Another thing about gun rights and voting rights is the key difference between how many people get killed. Some people point out that guns are responsible for roughly 30,000 deaths each year... 20,000 suicide, 10,000 murders. And what of voting? How much death and destruction is our government responsible for, the one which we voted in.
The only difference between guns is it's individual deaths, one of which is decreasing every year. Our government can atomize a group of farmers in Afghanistan, and no one will think a damn thing. It's sorta odd really.
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Fifth, how the fuck does all of this relate to bigotry, let alone racism? Why does Gun control promote this "by nature"? To whom is this intolerant and hateful?
Are gun owners a race now? I don't understand![/quote]
The same way voting tests do it.
You cause the lower-class to become unable to get into gun(weapon) ownership by increasing the prices of firearms individually, and the restrictions on top of that. In NY, most people can barely own guns because of the amazing amounts of restrictions that are topped off on people to own them, and what with laws changing every night, it's really a guessing game of when you could get a letter bitching at you to get rid of the guns. As you said yourself, "the last thing you need in a crime ridden area is more fucking guns" all an officer has to do is see this, drops the paper back into the file, and that person isn't get a background check approved because their neighborhood has slightly more crime, or might be comprised of mostly minorities. It's pretty sickening really.
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Lastly, you don't need heavy weapons for hunting either. So unless you love to collect them, you're not going to be affected much. Otherwise, go and collect something less deadly and threatening to the ordinary person.[/QUOTE]
People should quit being hopolophobes.
[QUOTE=Saturn V;44390753]Oh my fuckign god these anti-cop idiots are the worst people ever.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJb4tUGx6FQ&list=TLVtdTov82S4TazZSvD1l2c3sURIelJm9i[/media]
"Are you drunk?" "I don't have to answer that"
These fucking assclowns seriously can't answer simple questions without resorting to their idiotic "rights"[/QUOTE]
There was one guy who kept silent when he was going through a border, so he literally stood around outside for hours until they finally let him go, and he still hadn't spoken a word.
My conclusion: Everyone is nutty.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;44399632]Man, the American gun laws are messy as hell.
I've no clue how I believe it [I]should[/I] be, but I think it's fairly clear that the current state of things is messy.
Here in Denmark, you can't even carry a knife with a few exceptions. The idea of carrying a firearm of any kind, in any way, is just surreal from my perspective. I realize that there's some problems associated with this system as well, but it seems to work well here. So I'm not going to say that America should just do like Denmark and ban all weaponry outright, in fact I have no idea what should be done. But it's clear as day that it's currently a mess.[/QUOTE]
You have five million people in about 42k square kilometers.
The state of Montana has about one million people in 381k square kilometers.
You have 130 people per square kilometer. We don't even have three.
This isn't uncommon in the United States and we aren't even the state with the lowest population density.
As you might imagine, with such a low population density, the majority of the people in the state are going to have a very, [I]very[/I], long wait for the police to arrive if they are ever in trouble. I live in the largest city in Montana and even they are seriously understaffed because there simply aren't enough people to support the size of a police force that is needed for good coverage.
Meanwhile I don't really understand why you can't carry knives. They are the most basic tool possible and I use my folding knife almost every day, but have never used it for anything other than utilitarian purposes.
First thing I noticed was that he had the mag in, big no-no when it comes to open carry.
[QUOTE=GunFox;44407444]
Meanwhile I don't really understand why you can't carry knives. They are the most basic tool possible and I use my folding knife almost every day, but have never used it for anything other than utilitarian purposes.[/QUOTE]
I carry a knife in Australia, just a small folding one with a glass breaker and belt cutter, and I use it almost everyday to cut stuff, open stuff, clean my nails, ect. Yet by carrying it I can be charged, fined, and even sent to prison. Why?
I genuinely would be unafraid if I saw someone carrying a gun, regardless of what the gun was, walking down the street. Unless he's pointing it at someone or not indexing properly, I have absolutely no reason to believe they're about to do anything wrong. Everyone seems to think that the people who want to own a firearm are paranoid and delusional about feeling a need to protect themselves, but you're just as paranoid and delusional for assuming he's about to go kill somebody, people die less every year from shootings than they do from getting stabbed by screwdrivers. Let people own and carry their guns as they please. Maybe it's just because I was instructed on how to safely use a firearm since I was a little kid, but the sight of one, public or not, doesn't make me do anything other than say, "Wow, that's a nice weapon."
I mean, small, easy to conceal firearms are more of a worry for me since it's easy to get away with sneaking them into places.
I resent people like the man in the video for carrying the weapon for all the wrong reasons, but at the same time the police definitely overreacted to the situation. 6 patrol cars, over 8 police, for one man carrying an AR? The first officer could have just asked him to set the weapon down, step back, and questioned him before sending him on his way. They made a real big scene out of nothing.
[QUOTE=Ultralast;44411057]I genuinely would be unafraid if I saw someone carrying a gun, regardless of what the gun was, walking down the street. Unless he's pointing it at someone or not indexing properly, I have absolutely no reason to believe they're about to do anything wrong. Everyone seems to think that the people who want to own a firearm are paranoid and delusional about feeling a need to protect themselves, but you're just as paranoid and delusional for assuming he's about to go kill somebody, people die less every year from shootings than they do from getting stabbed by screwdrivers. Let people own and carry their guns as they please. Maybe it's just because I was instructed on how to safely use a firearm since I was a little kid, but the sight of one, public or not, doesn't make me do anything other than say, "Wow, that's a nice weapon."
I mean, small, easy to conceal firearms are more of a worry for me since it's easy to get away with sneaking them into places.
I resent people like the man in the video for carrying the weapon for all the wrong reasons, but at the same time the police definitely overreacted to the situation. 6 patrol cars, over 8 police, for one man carrying an AR? The first officer could have just asked him to set the weapon down, step back, and questioned him before sending him on his way. They made a real big scene out of nothing.[/QUOTE]
If I'd see a fat guy walking around with a shotgun in plain open sight I'd sure as fuck call the police.
If I'd see anyone walking around with a fucking gun I'd still call the police.
I don't like guns.
Walking around with a fully loaded unsecured rifle for no reason at all shouldn't be a god damn right.
[QUOTE=3picFail;44407475]First thing I noticed was that he had the mag in, big no-no when it comes to open carry.[/QUOTE]
He seems like the kinda guy who carries it loaded and cocked with one in the chamber and the safety off while its slapping up against his ass.
[QUOTE=Saturn V;44411156]If I'd see a fat guy walking around with a shotgun in plain open sight I'd sure as fuck call the police.
If I'd see anyone walking around with a fucking gun I'd still call the police.
I don't like guns.
Walking around with a fully loaded unsecured rifle for no reason at all shouldn't be a god damn right.[/QUOTE]
That's cool, you're not in America, you don't have to worry about it. Also, what does them being fat have anything to do with it?
[QUOTE=Ultralast;44411057]I genuinely would be unafraid if I saw someone carrying a gun, regardless of what the gun was, walking down the street. Unless he's pointing it at someone or not indexing properly, I have absolutely no reason to believe they're about to do anything wrong. Everyone seems to think that the people who want to own a firearm are paranoid and delusional about feeling a need to protect themselves, but you're just as paranoid and delusional for assuming he's about to go kill somebody, people die less every year from shootings than they do from getting stabbed by screwdrivers. Let people own and carry their guns as they please. Maybe it's just because I was instructed on how to safely use a firearm since I was a little kid, but the sight of one, public or not, doesn't make me do anything other than say, "Wow, that's a nice weapon."
I mean, small, easy to conceal firearms are more of a worry for me since it's easy to get away with sneaking them into places.
I resent people like the man in the video for carrying the weapon for all the wrong reasons, but at the same time the police definitely overreacted to the situation. 6 patrol cars, over 8 police, for one man carrying an AR? The first officer could have just asked him to set the weapon down, step back, and questioned him before sending him on his way. They made a real big scene out of nothing.[/QUOTE]
the people who need to open carry their gun in the middle of the street for no reason are either
1. Doing something illegal
2. paranoid and delusional about feeling a need to protect themselves
and a lot of the time
3. Ready to kill someone (it's what a gun does best after all)
there's an ak47 in the very house I live in. Doesn't mean anything, I'm not paranoid and delusional, however, had I felt the need to flaunt it I'd sure as shit be that way.
There are zero reasons to carry a gun outside of a pistol for defense like the guy did. And even then, closed carry is better.
[QUOTE=J!NX;44411235]the people who need to open carry their gun in the middle of the street for no reason are either
1. Doing something illegal
2. paranoid and delusional about feeling a need to protect themselves
and almost always
3. Ready to kill someone (it's what a gun does best after all)
there's an ak47 in the very house I live in. Doesn't mean anything, I'm not paranoid and delusional, however, had I felt the need to flaunt it I'd sure as shit be that way.[/QUOTE]
I don't think the dude in the video was ready to kill someone, "almost always" is a broad statement when I've yet to read a story of someone practicing open carry that turned into a firefight.
[QUOTE=Ultralast;44411254]I don't think the dude in the video was ready to kill someone, "almost always" is a broad statement when I've yet to read a story of someone practicing open carry that turned into a firefight.[/QUOTE]
unless its not loaded of course, but that's different
if its loaded (I'm going to assume it's had the automatic functions disabled) it's pretty easy to just take the gun, turn safety off and start using it.
that's not saying that mean's he will do it, or that he wants to kill anyone at all(He didn't it seems) but he has the ability to.
and what if someone who wanted to hurt someone did this had they been allowed? that's one of the main points. How do YOU KNOW they don't want to hurt anyone?
And the guy in the video is obviously pretty trashy.
[QUOTE=Ultralast;44411254]I don't think the dude in the video was ready to kill someone, "almost always" is a broad statement when I've yet to read a story of someone practicing open carry that turned into a firefight.[/QUOTE]
Dude in the video is still a colossal goon however. He quite literally went out looking for trouble with the cops, why else would his wife-beast be recording before the cops had even got there after all.
I legitimately cannot fathom the stupidity that would lead to people wanting to make these videos. You aren't proving any kind of point, you're wasting police time, looking like a raging asshole, and generally just being a nuisance to the public (the police kinda blocked the fuck out of that road due to him).
[QUOTE=J!NX;44411273]unless its not loaded of course, but that's different
if its loaded (I'm going to assume it's had the automatic functions disabled) it's pretty easy to just take the gun, turn safety off and start using it.
that's not saying that mean's he will do it, or that he wants to kill anyone at all(He didn't it seems) but he has the ability to.[/QUOTE]
That's cool, so he has the ability to, it's not like he's GOING to. I have the ability to pounce on the next person I walk past and jam my thumbs into their eye socket, but I have absolutely no reason to do that. He clearly wasn't intending to hurt someone, or he would have already done so.
[QUOTE=Ultralast;44411291]That's cool, so he has the ability to, it's not like he's GOING to. I have the ability to pounce on the next person I walk past and jam my thumbs into their eye socket, but I have absolutely no reason to do that. He clearly wasn't intending to hurt someone, or he would have already done so.[/QUOTE]
Jamming your thumbs into an eye socket is a big difference to getting shot in the fucking face. That's not even an example I can see worth taking serious.
what if someone who wanted to hurt someone did this had they been allowed? that's one of the main points. How do YOU KNOW they don't want to hurt anyone?
waiting to see if he has the intent to kill anyone is the exact thing that will get you killed. There are 0 actual reasons to do this and this guy was so obviously just looking for trouble.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44411277]Dude in the video is still a colossal goon however. He quite literally went out looking for trouble with the cops, why else would his wife-beast be recording before the cops had even got there after all.
I legitimately cannot fathom the stupidity that would lead to people wanting to make these videos. You aren't proving any kind of point, you're wasting police time, looking like a raging asshole, and generally just being a nuisance to the public (the police kinda blocked the fuck out of that road due to him).[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with you! Trying to get a rise from the police is a serious no-no, but I feel that the police majorly overreacted.
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[QUOTE=J!NX;44411305]Jamming your thumbs into an eye socket is a big fucking difference to getting shot in the fucking face
what if someone who wanted to hurt someone did this had they been allowed? that's one of the main points. How do YOU KNOW they don't want to hurt anyone?[/QUOTE]
You're paranoid for instantly assuming they are, man. Seriously. If someone was planning to hurt someone, I doubt they'd make themselves so obvious. Call me crazy, but I've been used to seeing people carry guns from a young age and it genuinely doesn't phase me unless they make an indication they're going to do something bad - the first officer to respond pointed his weapon, when the man wasn't pointing his. A little communication at that point could have easily defused the situation.
[QUOTE=Ultralast;44411317]I totally agree with you! Trying to get a rise from the police is a serious no-no, but I feel that the police majorly overreacted.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I can't help but think way too many turned up there. Like, maybe the first round of backup would have been more than enough to detain him, ask what he was doing, and get on with their lives. Not two backup units and a canine unit :v:
As for eye-thumb jabbing, that requires noticeable effort from yourself, and is pretty easy to stop as the victim, moving slightly makes it a lot harder, and running solves the issue. Shooting someone at random with a gun on the other hand is a lot harder to avoid being hit with seeing as the bullets travel a supersonic speeds, and require little actual effort to use. So it's a pretty silly comparison. They both require some form of underlying mental illness is the only real similarity.
[QUOTE=Ultralast;44411317]I totally agree with you! Trying to get a rise from the police is a serious no-no, but I feel that the police majorly overreacted.
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You're paranoid for instantly assuming they are, man. Seriously. If someone was planning to hurt someone, I doubt they'd make themselves so obvious.[/QUOTE]
You mean like... any shooting ever?
where they walk up clearly flashing guns with the intent to kill the shit out of someone?
For all you know he could be waiting for the right time. just because they're quiet about it doesn't mean they aren't going to do anything
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