An idiot baiting cops with a fucking AR-15 with his pregnant wife filming it all

[Ultralast]

[QUOTE=J!NX;44411351]You mean like... and school shooting ever?

where they walk up clearly flashing guns with the intent to kill the shit out of someone?

For all you know he could be waiting for the right time. just because they're quiet about it doesn't mean they aren't going to do anything[/QUOTE]

Man, go get yourself some xanax. One look at the dude (with his pregnant wife) would easily tell you he's just trying to prove a point. Stop being overly subjective by assuming anyone carrying a gun is about to start killing people. Also, every school shooting that has happened in the past 10 years was not obvious. People generally conceal the weapons until they're ready to attack.

[Curls]

[QUOTE=Ultralast;44411359]Man, go get yourself some xanax. One look at the dude (with his pregnant wife) would easily tell you he's just trying to prove a point. Stop being overly subjective by assuming anyone carrying a gun is about to start killing people.[/QUOTE]

I'm progun, but I'm not retarded

I don't think you understand how dangerous guns are considering you used eye-thumbjamming as an example of what you can do to someone vs pulling a trigger and aiming.

[QUOTE=Ultralast;44411359]People generally conceal the weapons until they're ready to attack.[/QUOTE]

Man that's golden

wouldn't that mean generally it's safe to assume they're ready to attack if they're open carrying?

[Ultralast]

[QUOTE=hexpunK;44411343]Yeah, I can't help but think way too many turned up there. Like, maybe the first round of backup would have been more than enough to detain him, ask what he was doing, and get on with their lives. Not two backup units and a canine unit :v:

As for eye-thumb jabbing, that requires noticeable effort from yourself, and is pretty easy to stop as the victim, moving slightly makes it a lot harder, and running solves the issue. Shooting someone at random with a gun on the other hand is a lot harder to avoid being hit with seeing as the bullets travel a supersonic speeds, and require little actual effort to use. So it's a pretty silly comparison. They both require some form of underlying mental illness is the only real similarity.[/QUOTE]

You get my point though, right? Any cop should know by now that someone walking down the street open carrying is probably doing it to make a scene, not to hurt people, unless they're acting erratic.

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[QUOTE=J!NX;44411365]I'm progun, but I'm not retarded

I don't think you understand how dangerous guns are considering you used eye-thumbjamming as an example of what you can do to someone.[/QUOTE]

Considering I've been going to the range since I was 8, yes, I know how dangerous they are, I'm just not a paranoid loon about it.

[Curls]

[QUOTE=Ultralast;44411366]You get my point though, right? Any cop should know by now that someone walking down the street open carrying is probably doing it to make a scene, not to hurt people, unless they're acting erratic.

[editline]31st March 2014[/editline]

Considering I've been going to the range since I was 8, yes, I know how dangerous they are, I'm just not a paranoid loon about it.[/QUOTE]

and going to a range is much different than going to the city/town.

Towns are places were you don't have to shoot people, and if you do a pistol does 100% what you need. hell, open carrying a pistol compared to this would be far better, I probably wouldn't care. A rifle is so insanely excessive.

Hunting areas/Ranges/etc are where shooting is celebrated properly and safely.

[hexpunK]

[QUOTE=Ultralast;44411366]You get my point though, right? Any cop should know by now that someone walking down the street open carrying is probably doing it to make a scene, not to hurt people, unless they're acting erratic.[/QUOTE]

It should be pretty easy to see who's a threat or not at a glance. This guy was acting pretty shifty whilst walking down the street (for the obvious reason, he was hype as fuck to "fuck the police"). Which really isn't going to make a cop think twice about stopping you.

Not that I agree with open/ concealed carry in the slightest, but it isn't too hard to differentiate an obvious threat or risk.

[Ultralast]

[QUOTE=J!NX;44411402]and going to a range is much different than going to the city/town.

Towns are places were you don't have to shoot people, and if you do a pistol does 100% what you need. hell, open carrying a pistol compared to this would be far better, I probably wouldn't care. A rifle is so insanely excessive.

Hunting areas/Ranges/etc are where shooting is celebrated properly and safely.[/QUOTE]

I never made a comparison between carrying them at a range or out in public. All I said was in response to your question, yes, I understand how dangerous they are.

It's whatever bro, this isn't an important discussion to me. If you want to be scared, all the time, go ahead and raise a big stink out of guys trying to get a reaction from police, but the situation could and should have been handled much better. I think the guy's an idiot, but I also think you're paranoid to assume this guy was about to kill someone.

[Curls]

[QUOTE=Ultralast;44411424]I never made a comparison between carrying them at a range or out in public. All I said was in response to your question, yes, I understand how dangerous they are.

It's whatever bro, this isn't an important discussion to me. If you want to be scared, all the time, go ahead and raise a big stink out of guys trying to get a reaction from police, but the situation could and should have been handled much better. I think the guy's an idiot, but I also think you're paranoid to assume this guy was about to kill someone.[/QUOTE]

I'm not at all assuming he's out to kill anyone, not once did I say that

I said he had the [B]ability[/B] to at any given time. There's a big difference, and that's why I don't trust him.

[QUOTE=J!NX;44411273]unless its not loaded of course, but that's different

if its loaded (I'm going to assume it's had the automatic functions disabled) it's pretty easy to just take the gun, turn safety off and start using it.

[B]that's not saying that mean's he will do it, or that he wants to kill anyone at all(He didn't it seems) but he has the ability to.[/B]

and what if someone who wanted to hurt someone did this had they been allowed? that's one of the main points. How do YOU KNOW they don't want to hurt anyone?

And the guy in the video is obviously pretty trashy.[/QUOTE]

Read

and gun laws are a pretty important thing in america

[Ultralast]

[QUOTE=J!NX;44411445]I'm not at all assuming he's out to kill anyone, not once did I say that

I said he had the [B]ability[/B] to at any given time. There's a big difference, and that's why I don't trust him.

Read[/QUOTE]

You said, and I quote:

"and a lot of the time

3. Ready to kill someone (it's what a gun does best after all)"

Ready to kill someone. He clearly was not.

[Curls]

[QUOTE=Ultralast;44411472]You said, and I quote:

"and a lot of the time

3. Ready to kill someone (it's what a gun does best after all)"

Ready to kill someone. He clearly was not.[/QUOTE]

holy shit get a hearing aid and stop nitpicking quotes

ready to kill someone does not mean they wish to do so

if I had a knife and knife training I would be ready and able to slit someones throat

doesn't mean I'll do it. But if someone didn't trust me when I'm acting shift with a large knife I sure wouldn't blame them. That's sorta the point.

In fact, that's why the cops reacted in the first place.

[Ultralast]

[QUOTE=J!NX;44411488]holy shit get a hearing aid and stop nitpicking quotes

ready to kill someone does not mean they wish to do so

if I had a knife and knife training I would be ready and able to slit someones throat

doesn't mean I'll do it. But if someone didn't trust me when I'm acting shift with a large knife I sure wouldn't blame them. That's sorta the point.[/QUOTE]

I really could care less, I think you're paranoid. The only point I was making was the situation could be handled better. Aside from that, your opinion is irrelevant to me and mine should be to you as well. I don't see how he was acting shifty when the second the officer instructed him to lay down, he did so.

[Curls]

[QUOTE=Ultralast;44411497]I really could care less, I think you're paranoid. The only point I was making was the situation could be handled better. Aside from that, your opinion is irrelevant to me and mine should be to you as well.[/QUOTE]

No doubt they over reacted but their reaction was entirely justified

[Ultralast]

[QUOTE=J!NX;44411520]No doubt they over reacted but their reaction was entirely justified[/QUOTE]

When did I ever say it wasn't? All I said was a little communication would have easily cleared everything up, not taken 15 minutes and blocked an entire street.
I also said seeing someone with a weapon doesn't scare me, but it does scare you, and that's pretty much all we disagreed on. Which is fine, we're allowed to think differently.

[Purple Magpie]

[QUOTE=J!NX;44411488]holy shit get a hearing aid and stop nitpicking quotes

ready to kill someone does not mean they wish to do so

if I had a knife and knife training I would be ready and able to slit someones throat

doesn't mean I'll do it. But if someone didn't trust me when I'm acting shift with a large knife I sure wouldn't blame them. That's sorta the point.

In fact, that's why the cops reacted in the first place.[/QUOTE]

By this definition, basically everyone is "ready to kill someone." You're backpedaling bigger than shit here - you got called out on your stance and are now running back to try and say you meant it in a completely different way that's so generic it can't be refuted. I can kill a man unarmed simple because I know how to crush a windpipe. Most people do, in fact; I'm pretty sure it's both obvious if you've ever been punched in the throat, and covered in basic biology classes. That would make us ready to kill someone, right? What about driving a car? Vehicles are one of the most dangerous things in everyday life. Using your definition, everyone who drives a car is ready to kill someone.

[Curls]

[QUOTE=Lijitsu;44412135]By this definition, basically everyone is "ready to kill someone." You're backpedaling bigger than shit here - you got called out on your stance and are now running back to try and say you meant it in a completely different way that's so generic it can't be refuted. I can kill a man unarmed simple because I know how to crush a windpipe. Most people do, in fact; I'm pretty sure it's both obvious if you've ever been punched in the throat, and covered in basic biology classes. That would make us ready to kill someone, right? What about driving a car? Vehicles are one of the most dangerous things in everyday life. Using your definition, everyone who drives a car is ready to kill someone.[/QUOTE]

But are are cars specifically meant to kill things? And it's much harder to kill someone with barehands than a gun. Sure you can just... slide your foot forward and turn the steering slightly and drive into a group of people, but it's not engineered with that in mind, and you're more likely to severely injure than actually kill. Not only that but they're so massively common and so massively used for transportation, albeit they could be considered far more dangerous, but I doubt that. But they're nothing like guns, even if they are dangerous. and legalizing guns because "Cars are dangerous too" would be totally insane (you aren't saying that of course)

I could probably argue that cigarettes are far more dangerous than cars, too.

and don't even say "Knives weren't invented for killing either". Knives and guns are very different from cars and planes.

and I'm not "running back to try and say I meant something completely different". I even very specifically said "that's not saying that mean's he will do it, or that he wants to kill anyone at all(He didn't it seems) but he has the ability to." long before he "Called me out"

people with guns are going to be [B]much [/B]more capable to kill than someone without a gun. You can easily kill someone hundreds of ways without a gun, by snapping their neck, crushing their windpipe, throwing them off of something, and god knows what else. But how is it even debatable that a gun makes it easier? I'd must rather kill someone with a gun than a car, as well.

[OficerHonkHonk]

The only time I ever open carried a rifle was up in the mountains where A: People don't give a shit B: Didn't want to leave my gun in the car C: I'm shit scared of mountain lions. Other than that I see no reason to sling my rifle on my shoulder while in the city, in fact I can't even imagine a legitimate reason to carry a rifle like that while in city limits. It's just a bad idea