[QUOTE=DTkach;35641105]China still practices the whole "Lets suffocate our female children" shit that started several hundred years ago. They are known to eat odd assortments of animals. They do shit like this, where they torture living animals just for the sake of it. And of course, there's the shark finning.
I'm sorry, but their culture is backwards. Most of what I described is just that: cultural things that they don't realize (or don't care) are barbaric.[/QUOTE]
you're wrong on so many levels lol
[QUOTE=aznz888;35641194]I really would like to see some of your "evidence" with some solid sources, considering you sound like you're pulling them out of thin air. I somehow doubt you know more about my culture(Technically Taiwanese, but you probably couldn't give a damn anyways, we're all the same to you right?) than I know about my own culture.
I assume you've been raised in a Western environment just like I have, so let me tell you this: Just because something differs from your point of view or that you're not used to it doesn't necessarily mean that it's 'barbaric'.
Also you seem to forget that our food production methods can be just as bad as these thrill foods, if not worse.[/QUOTE]
Oh cool, you're taiwanese as well?
But yeah, it might just be where I live, but most people like to think I have a pet dog specifically to eat later with a side of crickets and green tea. People really have to realise that most of the weird foods come from south-east asian countries/far west asian countries and that china =/= them. I'm not saying what these chefs are doing is right, but you just have to remember that asia isn't actually filled with slanty-eyed tribesmen eating anything that moves 24/7.
Also remember that I can just as easily say all white people are english people eating haggis and black pudding all day and that you are all sub-human retards because of it. Not that I actually think that or anything.
What? I don't.
[QUOTE=aznz888;35641194]I really would like to see some of your "evidence" with some solid sources, considering you sound like you're pulling them out of thin air. I somehow doubt you know more about my culture(Technically Taiwanese, but you probably couldn't give a damn anyways, we're all the same to you right?) than I know about my own culture.
I assume you've been raised in a Western environment just like I have, so let me tell you this: Just because something differs from your point of view or that you're not used to it doesn't necessarily mean that it's 'barbaric'.
Also you seem to forget that our food production methods can be just as bad as these thrill foods, if not worse.[/QUOTE]
This isn't a difference in philosophy. This is torturing an animal for no reason, and not. And the key word is "can be". In countries like the States, people are now more aware of where their food is coming from than probably ever before. The more public interest, the more slaughterhouses have to maintain humane procedures in order to keep business. While there are still those out there that don't follow the rules, its the minority in the country.
I don't care who you are, which nationality, which race, which age, which gender. If you torture an animal alive/eat it alive, that's fucking sick and cruel. The difference is shit like that is more prevalent in Asian countries.
[QUOTE=DTkach;35641724]This isn't a difference in philosophy. This is torturing an animal for no reason, and not. And the key word is "can be". In countries like the States, people are now more aware of where their food is coming from than probably ever before. The more public interest, the more slaughterhouses have to maintain humane procedures in order to keep business. While there are still those out there that don't follow the rules, its the minority in the country.
I don't care who you are, which nationality, which race, which age, which gender. If you torture an animal alive/eat it alive, that's fucking sick and cruel. The difference is shit like that is more prevalent in Asian countries.[/QUOTE]
"Humane practices" means putting a pin trough the animals brain (cattle at least), hoping it will instantly kill it, which more often than should be doesn't work with the first one, all the while the animal being in pain because it has a fucking metal pin stuck in it's head.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;35641784]"Humane practices" means putting a pin trough the animals brain (cattle at least), hoping it will instantly kill it, which more often than should be doesn't work with the first one, all the while the animal being in pain because it has a fucking metal pin stuck in it's head.[/QUOTE]
Citation needed.
Even assuming that slaughterhouses operate with such things, at least they TRY to kill it humanely. The people in the video didn't even bother. In fact, they were TRYING to keep it alive for whatever reason. There's kinda a big difference.
[QUOTE=DTkach;35641724]This isn't a difference in philosophy. This is torturing an animal for no reason, and not. And the key word is "can be". In countries like the States, people are now more aware of where their food is coming from than probably ever before. The more public interest, the more slaughterhouses have to maintain humane procedures in order to keep business. While there are still those out there that don't follow the rules, its the minority in the country.
I don't care who you are, which nationality, which race, which age, which gender. If you torture an animal alive/eat it alive, that's fucking sick and cruel. The difference is shit like that is more prevalent in Asian countries.[/QUOTE]
You're making a mountain out of a molehill, you do realize this? A huge majority of Asian food is prepared thoroughly, perhaps even more so than some of the foods we Westerners eat. I'm not gonna lie, I'm pretty sickened by this, too, but it's not a widespread cultural pandemic. A few isolated incidents do not a justified assumption make.
Like you said, it's the minority in a country. There will always be exceptions, but I assure you most people on Earth prefer their food [I]not[/I] to be moving, even the Asians.
It's kept alive because if the fugu was dead, the meat would be poisoned. Kinda like how lobster and crab are ruined when they are killed before cooking.
[QUOTE=Glitch360;35640541]Maybe it reduces the chance of the meat becoming tainted? I don't think they butcher it alive for no reason[/QUOTE]
I thought it was the other way around, in that keeping the animal alive allows the brain to release panic hormones that taint the meat.
[editline]19th April 2012[/editline]
Thus why they slit pig throats
[QUOTE=Abrown516;35642072]I thought it was the other way around, in that keeping the animal alive allows the brain to release panic hormones that taint the meat.
[editline]19th April 2012[/editline]
Thus why they slit pig throats[/QUOTE]
He knocks the fish out, in the beginning of the video.
[QUOTE=MightyMax;35642064]It's kept alive because if the fugu was dead, the meat would be poisoned. Kinda like how lobster and crab are ruined when they are killed before cooking.[/QUOTE]
Well than the question is: Who thought it was a good idea to eat something like that? They could die, and it requires torture to safely prepare. Fucking brilliant choice of food.
[QUOTE=aznz888;35641987]You're making a mountain out of a molehill, you do realize this? A huge majority of Asian food is prepared thoroughly, perhaps even more so than some of the foods we Westerners eat. I'm not gonna lie, I'm pretty sickened by this, too, but it's not a widespread cultural pandemic. A few isolated incidents do not a justified assumption make.
Like you said, it's the minority in a country. There will always be exceptions, but I assure you most people on Earth prefer their food [I]not[/I] to be moving, even the Asians.[/QUOTE]
My assumption (and that's what it was) was based on the amount of odd or disturbing practices that exist in Asian culture. Of course there are entire Asian countries that don't fall under these categories, it just makes me think "What the fuck is wrong with these people" after hearing so much shit about them.
[QUOTE=DTkach;35641724]The difference is shit like that is more prevalent in Asian countries.[/QUOTE]
No no, that's just what your ignorance makes you think. May I remind you that if Fugu was a common food then why would it still be a food for [i]upper class people[/i].
Not to mention it's most likely a traditional thing, like preparation of animals for kosher foods, which traditionally involves slitting the throat of an animal and waiting for it to bleed out. Along with this, and correct me if I'm wrong anyone, many kosher food outlets forbid the use of humanisation techniques like stunning before killing.
[editline]20th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=DTkach;35642100]My assumption (and that's what it was) was based on the amount of odd or disturbing practices that exist in Asian culture. Of course there are entire Asian countries that don't fall under these categories, it just makes me think "What the fuck is wrong with these people" after hearing so much shit about them.[/QUOTE]
I could read only about X state's terrible slaughterhouses and say every white person is a barbarian too.
just the nerve endings still acting up to the sodium in sauces, etc.
they do it so fast that the nerves are still twitching but they're still killing them relatively the same way as the fish everybody eats.
[QUOTE=Pilotguy97;35642169]No no, that's just what your ignorance makes you think. May I remind you that if Fugu was a common food then why would it still be a food for [i]upper class people[/i].
Not to mention it's most likely a traditional thing, like preparation of animals for kosher foods, which traditionally involves slitting the throat of an animal and waiting for it to bleed out. Along with this, and correct me if I'm wrong anyone, many kosher food outlets forbid the use of humanisation techniques like stunning before killing.[/QUOTE]
Which is fucked up. It suffers from the same thing that shark finning and shit like this come from: Traditions that originate from a time of pretty much barbarism. Who gives a shit if its "traditional" or has a place in their culture? Its cruel. We need to adapt to changing times, not be stuck in times of cruelty.
[QUOTE=DTkach;35641105]China still practices the whole "Lets suffocate our female children" shit that started several hundred years ago. They are known to eat odd assortments of animals. They do shit like this, where they torture living animals just for the sake of it. And of course, there's the shark finning.
I'm sorry, but their culture is backwards. Most of what I described is just that: cultural things that they don't realize (or don't care) are barbaric.[/QUOTE]
I love how the "civilized" people are always calling others out on being "barbaric", if you analize history, you'll see that these people were tagged as "barbarians" for not having the same vision of world and god as them, but they were way better people in every single possible aspect.
Not that the case here applies, but you've gotta keep in mind that these are different cultures, there's no "ass backwards" cultures, there are only DIFFERENT visions of world.
[QUOTE=DTkach;35642386]Which is fucked up. It suffers from the same thing that shark finning and shit like this come from: Traditions that originate from a time of pretty much barbarism. Who gives a shit if its "traditional" or has a place in their culture? Its cruel. We need to adapt to changing times, not be stuck in times of cruelty.[/QUOTE]
And herein lies the problem. Tradition dies hard.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;35642413]I love how the "civilized" people are always calling others out on being "barbaric", if you analize history, you'll see that these people were tagged as "barbarians" for not having the same vision of world and god as them, but they were way better people in every single possible aspect.
Not that the case here applies, but you've gotta keep in mind that these are different cultures, there's no "ass backwards" cultures, there are only DIFFERENT visions of world.[/QUOTE]
I would understand that in most cases. But would you say, if the Aztecs were still around, performing human sacrifice, that we should just view that as "Ok, its just their way of living!" ?
Not saying this case is as extreme as that, but it is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=DTkach;35642476]I would understand that in most cases. But would you say, if the Aztecs were still around, performing human sacrifice, that we should just view that as "Ok, its just their way of living!" ?
Not saying this case is as extreme as that, but it is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Your vision of world is different than theirs, in their conception, they're making the gods happy, most of the times the sacrifice would actually be honoured to be chosen to do so.
How's this any different than euthanasia in death penalties, or any more brutal than an all-in-war? I'll tell you how, in these cases you're killing someone who doesn't want to die, while causing huge suffering to lots of people.
[QUOTE=Pilotguy97;35642169]No no, that's just what your ignorance makes you think. May I remind you that if Fugu was a common food then why would it still be a food for [i]upper class people[/i].
Not to mention it's most likely a traditional thing, like preparation of animals for kosher foods, which traditionally involves slitting the throat of an animal and waiting for it to bleed out. Along with this, and correct me if I'm wrong anyone, many kosher food outlets forbid the use of humanisation techniques like stunning before killing.
[editline]20th April 2012[/editline]
I could read only about X state's terrible slaughterhouses and say every white person is a barbarian too.[/QUOTE]
Slitting the throat isn't as inhumane as it sounds, the animals feel nothing after the cut if it is done properly, and it will have to be done properly for the meat to be kosher
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;35639913]its only a fish...[/QUOTE]
it's only a living being capable of feeling.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;35642848]Your vision of world is different than theirs, in their conception, they're making the gods happy, most of the times the sacrifice would actually be honoured to be chosen to do so.
How's this any different than euthanasia in death penalties, or any more brutal than an all-in-war? I'll tell you how, in these cases you're killing someone who doesn't want to die, while causing huge suffering to lots of people.[/QUOTE]
War is unnecessary in most cases, yes, but at least people who get the death penalty have done some heinous crime that got them there. The Aztecs wasted human life for ridiculous notions. We can't just allow these things to happen just because they were some culture's way of life. Culture needs to adapt. We are not like normal animals. We have the ability to restrain ourselves and better the world as a result.
Why eat a fish that is tortured to be kept alive, instead of one that is killed cleanly? Both offer the same thing: food. One does not involve the suffering of a living creature.
[QUOTE=DTkach;35642971]War is unnecessary in most cases, yes, but at least people who get the death penalty have done some heinous crime that got them there. The Aztecs wasted human life for ridiculous notions. We can't just allow these things to happen just because they were some culture's way of life. Culture needs to adapt. We are not like normal animals. We have the ability to restrain ourselves and better the world as a result.
Why eat a fish that is tortured to be kept alive, instead of one that is killed cleanly? Both offer the same thing: food. One does not involve the suffering of a living creature.[/QUOTE]
because you're getting butthurt over a dumb fish that's already been dealt a fatal concussive blow
are you sure you're not part of any activist groups?
[QUOTE=DTkach;35642971]War is unnecessary in most cases, yes, but at least people who get the death penalty have done some heinous crime that got them there. The Aztecs wasted human life for ridiculous notions. We can't just allow these things to happen just because they were some culture's way of life. Culture needs to adapt. We are not like normal animals. We have the ability to restrain ourselves and better the world as a result.
Why eat a fish that is tortured to be kept alive, instead of one that is killed cleanly? Both offer the same thing: food. One does not involve the suffering of a living creature.[/QUOTE]
Can't allow? It's none of your god damn business. Get your head out of your ass, you're not an all knowing being, you're not a god; your sense of right and wrong isn't the only one, and you most certainly are not in any position to decide what is and isn't right.
[QUOTE=aznz888;35643025]because you're getting butthurt over a dumb fish that's already been dealt a fatal concussive blow
are you sure you're not part of any activist groups?[/QUOTE]
DEAR LORD HE HAS EMPATHY AND CARES FOR CREATURES OTHER THAN HIMSELF????
what a fucking horrible butthurt piece of shit he should just die.
[editline]20th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;35643035]Can't allow? It's none of your god damn business. Get your head out of your ass, you're not an all knowing being, you're not a god; your sense of right and wrong isn't the only one, and you most certainly are not in any position to decide what is and isn't right.[/QUOTE]
um i dunno skinning a creature alive is pretty morally fucked up i think that's agreeable by just about everyone?
[QUOTE=lotusking;35643041]DEAR LORD HE HAS EMPATHY AND FORETHOUGHT FOR OTHER CREATURES?
what a fucking horrible butthurt piece of shit he should just die.
[editline]20th April 2012[/editline]
um i dunno skinning a creature alive is pretty morally fucked up i think that's agreeable by just about everyone?[/QUOTE]
i never said it wasn't fucked up, pretty sure i have empathy for creatures last time i checked
but if you're comparing cuisine then i might as well insult the french for force-feeding geese to bloat their livers. you're completely missing the point here, because he makes it sound like it's justified for these "barbaric" cultures to just rot and die simply because a few die-hard traditions that aren't prevalent in the slightest bother him.
[editline]20th April 2012[/editline]
can i tell all my fellow americans to fuck off and burn in hell because a few slaughterhouses are pretty cruel to animals? probably not.
[editline]20th April 2012[/editline]
you guys are honestly making pretty hasty generalizations, and that's the problem i'm arguing about, not the unarguable fact that cooking something alive isn't exactly conventional
[QUOTE=lotusking;35643041]DEAR LORD HE HAS EMPATHY AND CARES FOR CREATURES OTHER THAN HIMSELF????
what a fucking horrible butthurt piece of shit he should just die.
[editline]20th April 2012[/editline]
um i dunno skinning a creature alive is pretty morally fucked up i think that's agreeable by just about everyone?[/QUOTE]
If it was, then how come it is done, and people are eating the fish? You can't just assume everyone has the same morals you do, and it is not your place to judge someone else's morals just because they differ from yours.
[QUOTE=aznz888;35640194]it's just a fish being prepared for a meal
this isn't banned material:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtrJV0iqkDk[/media][/QUOTE]
it's not alive, salt causes the muscles to twitch
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YZJt_Bw3eo[/media]
same thing that happens when you make frog legs
the fugu, however, that's some nasty shit
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;35643169]If it was, then how come it is done, and people are eating the fish? You can't just assume everyone has the same morals you do, and it is not your place to judge someone else's morals just because they differ from yours.[/QUOTE]
Are you insane? Ok, in my moral system, blatant, unprovoked rape and murder is fine. Hey, you can't blame me, its what I believe!
Good and bad are not always black and white, but jesus christ its pretty damn obvious that making a living creature suffer is cruel.
[editline]19th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;35643290]it's not alive, salt causes the muscles to twitch
same thing that happens when you make frog legs[/QUOTE]
That was the case with the snake, but not the puffer or the fish. They say in the videos they try to keep it alive.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;35643169]If it was, then how come it is done, and people are eating the fish? You can't just assume everyone has the same morals you do, and it is not your place to judge someone else's morals just because they differ from yours.[/QUOTE]
you're justifying skinning a a creature alive?
ok dude
Oh god..
[QUOTE=lotusking;35643324]you're justifying skinning a a creature alive?
ok dude[/QUOTE]
its
a
fish..........
they prepare it alive so it's meat isn't poisoned.
do you cry for the worm that is kept living on the hook?
do you weep for lobster/crab/any other shellfish really that is boiled alive?
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