I was a prominent neo-Nazi. Ignoring white extremists is a mistake.
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[QUOTE=Agoat;52656055]I sure am glad this turned into another anti-Trump video.[/QUOTE]
When the US president defends neo nazis and caters to them he very much is relevant.
[QUOTE=Jackald;52654700]The fact that blacks commit more crime than whites as a proportion of their population in America is not a lie, it is fact. The important thing is to understand the causes; it's not because black people are more violent, or are fundamentally different from other races, it has to do with historic oppression, the creation of poor ghettos in the 1960s that create a cycle of poverty that's very hard to break out from. You gotta accept the facts, then try and figure out the causes. I feel like these days people just ignore facts that disagree with their point of view.
For example, in Japan, South Koreans are regarded as the worst possible type of immigrant, and were oppressed just like african americans were in the 1960s. Today, they commit significantly more crime. In the United States, South Koreans are one of the least likely races to commit crimes. It has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the complex web of societal factors that created that situation.[/QUOTE]
Actually, it's not that black people commit more crimes. That's a very, very difficult statistic to measure, since you have to measure all crime - both reported and unreported - to make that conclusion with any degree of certainty.
The real statistic is that black people commit more [I]reported[/I] crimes. All this shows us is that black people are arrested more frequently for committing crimes than other races - you cannot assume a causal relationship there. The cause could potentially be that black people are somehow just naturally more criminal (which the vast majority of scholars dispute), or it could be that black people are targeted for arrests more frequently than other racial groups. As a percentage of their total population, black people reside in cities far more frequently than other racial groups. Cities are denser. Crime is more noticeable, more frequently reported, and police presence is far more common. If you're smoking weed out of your apartment in Brooklyn, you're more likely to be reported and caught than if you're smoking on your ranch in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming. Doubly so if you're growing it.
There's an absolute fuckton of factors. Demographic geography, racial profiling by police, differences in racial perception of age/intent/threat level, urban police presence, degrees of poverty, access to education, quality of education, access to critical government services, family structure, support networks, etc. It's too often boiled down to "blacks are criminals" or "police are racist," when in reality there are thousands upon thousands of demographic factors that influence criminality that serve to explain the racial disparity in arrests and sentencing - some going back decades and decades.
[QUOTE=Reagy;52661282]You have until I get off my night shift to expand upon this otherwise I'm going to nail you for drive by shitposting, again.[/QUOTE]
You should make sure he gets this in his PM inbox, as well. That way, he won't be able to excuse not elaborating on his post by saying that he wasn't reading the thread at the time you posted this. I kinda want to see what he has for his explanation and proof.
[QUOTE=Skerion;52661443]You should make sure he gets this in his PM inbox, as well. That way, he won't be able to excuse not elaborating on his post by saying that he wasn't reading the thread at the time you posted this. I kinda want to see what he has for his explanation and proof.[/QUOTE]
Just did, didn't have time before but on my lunch now. I also eagerly await the [del]bullshit[/del]logical reasoning.
[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;52654955]He said "that blacks commit more crimes [b]against[/b] white people" (3:02)
This is an upload from his YouTube acc linked beneath his avatar:
Big ol' nazi flag. Seems about right.[/QUOTE]
There's something hilarious about nazi weebs. As if some untermensch that watches foreign girl cartoons wouldn't be sent to the oven faster than a deflating souffle.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;52661494]There's something hilarious about nazi weebs. As if some untermensch that watches foreign girl cartoons wouldn't be sent to the oven faster than a deflating souffle.[/QUOTE]
Nazi Germany and Japan were WW2 allies, I guess nazi weebery makes some degree of sense V:v:V
[QUOTE=Mingebox;52661494]There's something hilarious about nazi weebs. As if some untermensch that watches foreign girl cartoons wouldn't be sent to the oven faster than a deflating souffle.[/QUOTE]
Real talk though, why are so many weebs far right?
[QUOTE=RobL;52666057]Real talk though, why are so many weebs far right?[/QUOTE]
a lot of people who hang out on the internet a lot becomes weebs
and a lot of people who hang out on the internet way too much becomes insanely right wing
You mean "why are so many far right people also weebs". And it's not just far right people with weird hobbies, it's the far left as well. I mean, just take a look at tumblr, for instance.
The reason for that is that weebs tend to be loners, and people with extreme political views also tend to be loners. The way to foster extreme views about anything is to lock them up in a room and only allow them to connect via the internet. If you ask /r9k/, every woman is a diamond obsessed gold digger incapable of real love or intellectual thought. They kept telling themselves that, so they started believing it.
Long story short, if you want a meaningful discussion about politics, the internet is not the place to be.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;52666144]i think nuanced discussions of politics can happen on the internet but only in small circles and with people who actually respect eachother[/QUOTE]
You mean people who already agree with eachother.
And that's not discussion, that's the intellectual equivalent of fucking.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;52666540]no, i've had discussions with people with different beliefs and we've came out of it with new perspectives on what we thought we couldn't have new perspectives on
i'm not saying fucking debate in a hugbox, but intellectual debate or sharing of ideas can only happen when both parties aren't doing stupid driveby shitposts or are trying to rake in upvotes
good job trying to put words in my mouth dude, you're part of the problem[/QUOTE]
dialectical exchange?
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The fact that blacks commit more crime than whites as a proportion of their population in America is not a lie, it is fact. The important thing is to understand the causes; it's not because black people are more violent, or are fundamentally different from other races, it has to do with historic oppression, the creation of poor ghettos in the 1960s that create a cycle of poverty that's very hard to break out from. You gotta accept the facts, then try and figure out the causes. I feel like these days people just ignore facts that disagree with their point of view [/QUOTE]
Historical oppression I do not agree with. There this book titled "the time paradox" by Philip Zimbardo.
The reason white folks are so successful is due to their perspective on time which was formed due to climate and geography which generates future perspective orientation.
With blacks they have a present time orientation.
Both time orientations have their pluses and minuses.
Here a question. How many explanations can you give outside historical oppression?
[QUOTE=Guriosity;52668878]Historical oppression I do not agree with. There this book titled "the time paradox" by Philip Zimbardo.
The reason white folks are so successful is due to their perspective on time which was formed due to climate and geography which generates future perspective orientation.
With blacks they have a present time orientation.
Both time orientations have their pluses and minuses.
Here a question. How many explanations can you give outside historical oppression?[/QUOTE]
I don't know, but I think the idea of people, being drawn into a cycle of poverty and rejection lasting generations, exasperated by societal phenomena such as discriminatory policing, bad local job markets, and few opportunities for learning makes more sense than the idea of racial inequality, caused by different races having different ideas about time due to climate and geography, put forward by something that looks like a self-help book.
Why does the area and the weather matter? Even if people's ideas of time were shaped by climate and geography, why would race factor into it if everyone lived in the same general area, and have the same weather?
[QUOTE=RichyZ;52666540]no, i've had discussions with people with different beliefs and we've came out of it with new perspectives on what we thought we couldn't have new perspectives on
i'm not saying fucking debate in a hugbox, but intellectual debate or sharing of ideas can only happen when both parties aren't doing stupid driveby shitposts or are trying to rake in upvotes
good job trying to put words in my mouth dude, you're part of the problem[/QUOTE]
This is incredibly true. Reddit, Facebook, etc are all bad for discussion. Facepunch is better, since it's a smaller community, but even we have problems with how we tend to drive out and roast people with dissenting opinions. I know, I was around here years ago when the political climate was much, much more intolerant of left-wing opinions. Talking about the impact of racism, or trans issues, or sexism, or anything like that would get you dumb-bombed and torn apart. Now, it's pleasant in comparison, but I know that Trump supporters and right-wingers feel the same way I did years back when the tables were turned.
I pretty regularly chat with a friend of mine on Steam who's a full-on European white nationalist and we get along fine and have respectable discussions. People just don't want to make the effort to understand the other person's opinion. I monumentally disagree with the guy, but instead of yelling at him, I just sit down and try to understand where he's coming from. The middle ground isn't the solution, but if you sit down and find where you have similar beliefs and ideas and emphasize those, you can really get across to people that otherwise wouldn't listen to you. People rarely do this, no matter their political perspective.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;52669770]This is incredibly true. Reddit, Facebook, etc are all bad for discussion. Facepunch is better, since it's a smaller community, but even we have problems with how we tend to drive out and roast people with dissenting opinions. I know, I was around here years ago when the political climate was much, much more intolerant of left-wing opinions. Talking about the impact of racism, or trans issues, or sexism, or anything like that would get you dumb-bombed and torn apart. Now, it's pleasant in comparison, but I know that Trump supporters and right-wingers feel the same way I did years back when the tables were turned.
I pretty regularly chat with a friend of mine on Steam who's a full-on European white nationalist and we get along fine and have respectable discussions. People just don't want to make the effort to understand the other person's opinion. I monumentally disagree with the guy, but instead of yelling at him, I just sit down and try to understand where he's coming from. The middle ground isn't the solution, but if you sit down and find where you have similar beliefs and ideas and emphasize those, you can really get across to people that otherwise wouldn't listen to you. People rarely do this, no matter their political perspective.[/QUOTE]
I think when it comes to things that can be quantifiably measured like bias in the reporting/discussion of issues, or a clear disproportion in the banning of individual posters who have a certain political viewpoint, it's possible to objectively see whether the place of discussion has a political slant.
In other cases, where it comes to subjective things like the tone or climate of the discussion, it becomes very difficult to determine whether the place of discussion has a political slant or whether it just happens to have a decent number of people who all share similar views but are open to questioning them.
It seems that in many cases, people often confuse the former for the later and vice versa. The problem comes when certain scrupulous individuals use the confusion to argue that they should be immune to criticism because they believe they are being oppressed by the weight of people disagreeing with them. People who attempt to push the idea that the place of discussion is an echo chamber because they can't form an actual argument, and then form their own place of discussion where they ban anyone who disagrees with them.
Unfortunately, this tactic is very effective.
[QUOTE=technologics;52669688]I don't know, but I think the idea of people, being drawn into a cycle of poverty and rejection lasting generations, exasperated by societal phenomena such as discriminatory policing, bad local job markets, and few opportunities for learning makes more sense than the idea of racial inequality, caused by different races having different ideas about time due to climate and geography, put forward by something that looks like a self-help book.
Why does the area and the weather matter? Even if people's ideas of time were shaped by climate and geography, why would race factor into it if everyone lived in the same general area, and have the same weather?[/QUOTE]
Your first error it's assuming it's one factor causing it and there one way to fix. Your second error is assuming time orientation is race related. It's not.
As for for how weather shapes culture? Well a place that has four seasons (such as winter) encourages planning ahead. Any community that doesn't get it's shit together before winter arrive in such a climate will die.
You should read the book. It explains how time orientation determines outcomes in people's lives and determines the future of various cultures and how they evolve.
[QUOTE]. Now, it's pleasant in comparison, but I know that Trump supporters and right-wingers feel the same way I did years back when the tables were turned [/QUOTE]
I'm not right wing. The community should be problem solving oriented. Not identity oriented.
When I try to point out how green privilege is destroying America people go reeeee really hard.
Why is the concern for how corruption ruins communities such a bad thing?
[QUOTE]. Unfortunately, this tactic is very effective [/QUOTE]
In short make people who bring up concerns to go away.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;52670564]Your first error it's assuming it's one factor causing it and there one way to fix. Your second error is assuming time orientation is race related. It's not.
As for for how weather shapes culture? Well a place that has four seasons (such as winter) encourages planning ahead. Any community that doesn't get it's shit together before winter arrive in such a climate will die.
You should read the book. It explains how time orientation determines outcomes in people's lives and determines the future of various cultures and how they evolve.
I'm not right wing. The community should be problem solving oriented. Not identity oriented.
When I try to point out how green privilege is destroying America people go reeeee really hard.
Why is the concern for how corruption ruins communities such a bad thing?
In short make people who bring up concerns to go away.[/QUOTE]
You are arguing for [URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_determinism"]environnmental determinism[/URL], a very old school of thought that, along with social darwinism, has been the basis for imperialism, slavery and eugenics. It is a pseudocientofic dead horse "theory" beaten by those arguing against social reform for at least 100 years. [URL="http://climateandcapitalism.com/2013/01/24/environmental-determinism-does-climate-control-our-destiny/"]This article[/URL] has an interesting breakdown of the history of it and how it's presented today.
Ignoring the hundreds of years of slavery, segregation and poverty blacks have faced pretty much everywhere in the western world in favor of some contrived hypothesis abour how their ancestors survived in Africa thousands of years ago goes over the line of mere ignorance, into thinly disguised racism.
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