You know what game had great facial animations, pretty good voice acting, and minimal clipping between a character's own limbs?
[video=youtube;EpbS9NPLNPo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpbS9NPLNPo[/video]
I'm not about to go pro-ME:A (because my god), but I'm running a custom male Ryder and his facial animations were never ever this terrible.
His voice and lines are also much much better than female Ryder's.
[QUOTE=SFArial;52022163]I'm not about to go pro-ME:A (because my god), but I'm running a custom male Ryder and his facial animations were never ever this terrible.
His voice and lines are also much much better than female Ryder's.[/QUOTE]
The general consensus seems to be that the defaults are boring and awful faces, and that customs get better animations. The problem with Sara Ryder customs though is that the presets all look a bit fugly in their own way. Combine that with downgraded customization from the previous games and some people have been resorting to using the glitch where you customize Sara, back out and then pick the default, resulting in the preset head and better animations with the default's hair and skin.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52021651]Holy shit, really? That's impressive as hell.
Sure makes Andromeda look like a pile of dump.[/QUOTE]
New Vegas was made in [i]18[/i] months, not 8.
I don't know if this has been posted yet, but
[vid]https://my.mixtape.moe/yugchn.mp4[/vid]
This isn't a case of "oh shucks, it's a bad game.". It's a case of something going horribly wrong internally. They [I]undid[/I] perfectly fine stuff and replaced it with vastly inferior shit. Just look at the gun in the thumbnail, somehow a really shitty LOD model became top LOD. The lighting was just straight up removed. The props got worse, the art direction went from serious si-fi to yellow submarine on a bad day. Somehow the krogan was attacked by an avaunt guard makeup artist and had his materials butchered. And somehow they fucked up rain drops. I don't even know how you can do that with substance designer.
Also friendly reminder that one of the guys in charge was [URL="https://archive.is/37HYG"]this guy[/URL]. A self proclaimed paragon of intersectional values. I get the feeling that this shitshow happened because people got hired/rewarded based on tumblr oppression points, and not talent. Which would explain the trainwreck we have here, and why they felt they had to tear down years of good work and replace it with amateur hour crap that'd end up in the bin for so bad it's good demo reels for a studio to laugh at during lunch breaks.
[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;52017647]have 30hrs as of right now and I've seen just about none of the issues in this video.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;52018022] in the scripted sequences that I've been through that are in this video, I didn't see any of this. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;52020941]I have played 30 hrs and have never seen that[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;52020817]I have 30hrs in the game so far, which is already considerably more than I get for most games I play, so there's no buyers remorse on my end.[/QUOTE]
You say this quite a bit, but does it have any real meaning?
[editline]28th March 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52022420]This isn't a case of "oh shucks, it's a bad game.". It's a case of something going horribly wrong internally. They [I]undid[/I] perfectly fine stuff and replaced it with vastly inferior shit. Just look at the gun in the thumbnail, somehow a really shitty LOD model became top LOD. The lighting was just straight up removed. The props got worse, the art direction went from serious si-fi to yellow submarine on a bad day. Somehow the krogan was attacked by an avaunt guard makeup artist and had his materials butchered. And somehow they fucked up rain drops. I don't even know how you can do that with substance designer.[/QUOTE]
tbh the sad thing is, that even with the downgrade witcher 3 received, the game is still one of the prettiest games on the market today.
But then you look at this and it goes from pretty amazing to pretty much 5-6 years out of date
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52022420]I don't know if this has been posted yet, but
[vid]https://my.mixtape.moe/yugchn.mp4[/vid]
This isn't a case of "oh shucks, it's a bad game.". It's a case of something going horribly wrong internally. They [I]undid[/I] perfectly fine stuff and replaced it with vastly inferior shit. Just look at the gun in the thumbnail, somehow a really shitty LOD model became top LOD. The lighting was just straight up removed. The props got worse, the art direction went from serious si-fi to yellow submarine on a bad day. Somehow the krogan was attacked by an avaunt guard makeup artist and had his materials butchered. And somehow they fucked up rain drops. I don't even know how you can do that with substance designer.
Also friendly reminder that one of the guys in charge was [URL="https://archive.is/37HYG"]this guy[/URL]. A self proclaimed paragon of intersectional values. I get the feeling that this shitshow happened because people got hired/rewarded based on tumblr oppression points, and not talent. Which would explain the trainwreck we have here, and why they felt they had to tear down years of good work and replace it with amateur hour crap that'd end up in the bin for so bad it's good demo reels for a studio to laugh at during lunch breaks.[/QUOTE]
This is actually partially true.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52022420]I don't know if this has been posted yet, but
[vid]https://my.mixtape.moe/yugchn.mp4[/vid]
This isn't a case of "oh shucks, it's a bad game.". It's a case of something going horribly wrong internally. They [I]undid[/I] perfectly fine stuff and replaced it with vastly inferior shit. Just look at the gun in the thumbnail, somehow a really shitty LOD model became top LOD. The lighting was just straight up removed. The props got worse, the art direction went from serious si-fi to yellow submarine on a bad day. Somehow the krogan was attacked by an avaunt guard makeup artist and had his materials butchered. And somehow they fucked up rain drops. I don't even know how you can do that with substance designer.
Also friendly reminder that one of the guys in charge was [URL="https://archive.is/37HYG"]this guy[/URL]. A self proclaimed paragon of intersectional values. I get the feeling that this shitshow happened because people got hired/rewarded based on tumblr oppression points, and not talent. Which would explain the trainwreck we have here, and why they felt they had to tear down years of good work and replace it with amateur hour crap that'd end up in the bin for so bad it's good demo reels for a studio to laugh at during lunch breaks.[/QUOTE]
I seriously doubt the mismanagement of this project came down to medling sjw boogymen... I really don't understand why so many people buy into this narrative.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52022420]Also friendly reminder that one of the guys in charge was [URL="https://archive.is/37HYG"]this guy[/URL].[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to speak to this guy's character but the comment chain you're linking doesn't seem [url="https://twitter.com/manveerheir/status/464440855013494786"]particularly bad.[/url]
[QUOTE=SFArial;52022163]I'm not about to go pro-ME:A (because my god), but I'm running a custom male Ryder and his facial animations were never ever this terrible.
His voice and lines are also much much better than female Ryder's.[/QUOTE]
I've got a custom male Ryder too and his facial animations aren't horrible. Still got those dead eyes that occasionally clip through his eyelids though, but that pretty much applies to everyone in the game. :v:
anyway, bioware seal of quality™
[quote][vid]https://my.mixtape.moe/ztkiqy.mp4[/vid][/quote]
what is she aiming at
[t]http://i.imgur.com/SlmRRAe.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52022420]I don't know if this has been posted yet, but
[vid]https://my.mixtape.moe/yugchn.mp4[/vid]
This isn't a case of "oh shucks, it's a bad game.". It's a case of something going horribly wrong internally. They [I]undid[/I] perfectly fine stuff and replaced it with vastly inferior shit. Just look at the gun in the thumbnail, somehow a really shitty LOD model became top LOD. The lighting was just straight up removed. The props got worse, the art direction went from serious si-fi to yellow submarine on a bad day. Somehow the krogan was attacked by an avaunt guard makeup artist and had his materials butchered. And somehow they fucked up rain drops. I don't even know how you can do that with substance designer.
Also friendly reminder that one of the guys in charge was [URL="https://archive.is/37HYG"]this guy[/URL]. A self proclaimed paragon of intersectional values. I get the feeling that this shitshow happened because people got hired/rewarded based on tumblr oppression points, and not talent. Which would explain the trainwreck we have here, and why they felt they had to tear down years of good work and replace it with amateur hour crap that'd end up in the bin for so bad it's good demo reels for a studio to laugh at during lunch breaks.[/QUOTE]
Wow look at the difference in facial animation on the guy with the gun.
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Like, I can understand changing the lighting and the smoke and whatnot maybe for optimization reasons, but why did they change the facial animation?? It doesn't make any sense.
[QUOTE=DFC;52022514]I seriously doubt the mismanagement of this project came down to medling sjw boogymen... I really don't understand why so many people buy into this narrative.[/QUOTE]
I mean i'd get into it but that'd be a huge fucking treatise on the nature of postmodernism and the rejection of objective value systems, so ehhh. This isn't really the place. The least i can say is go read solzhenitsyn and just watch the behavioral parallels flood in. But that's just speaking broadly about "[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1P_1mLlJik"]the SJW boogieman[/URL]" phenomena, and not bioware in particular. This is just a suspicion of mine. Although frankly, i struggle to find another explanation as to why captain "white tears" Heir was in charge and not fired for being a ridiculous racist, hiring professional cosplayers to be on your facial animation team, (although not lead, like some people think. But faces are probably the hardest thing to get right in 3d, and animation is probably the most brutal discipline behind it. You don't give out serious roles to randys with no experience, so that's still a symptom of ingroup bullshit.) and why they felt the need to tear down years of AAA level work with awful shit that is objectively worse in every possible regard than the previously locked in assets.
When you're in the final parts of game development, you don't go "hey you know what we need to do? Redo all the character models, facial animations, mocap, choreography, lighting, particles and voice acting" unless there's some weird resentful bullshit going on. you're mostly just desperately trying to put out every single fire that sprouts up and trying to wrangle your product into a finished state.
Now that's not to say that it's the single sole factor in this trainwreck, but i'd put money on it being among the biggest.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;52022620]I may not be exactly knowledgable in modeling, animating and so forth, but it feels like at some point in development, a lot of the game's assets were probably modified significantly, but all the animations they'd had were broken in the process. The procedural lip sync is way more goofy and seemingly unfinished than the previous games, and most characters have absolutely no expression unless they're a major character that gets hand-animated cutscenes (aka the Ryders).
It's just a guess though.[/QUOTE]
No, on face rigs that complicated, there is no automatic face animation. And all studios will have an internal standard rig or sculpt base so that all assets from all games can share a majority of the animation assets. So that they have a huge pool of animations/assets to draw from as time goes on, so that all artists know what they're working with at all times, so that no model gives peculiar problems or breaks in a novel way and so that that kind of "oh, we changed something and now a years worth of work just broke and we will never get it back" situation can never happen. The only explanation for that kind of drop is that at some point they went "welp, all this shit has to go" and threw everything out to start over. How late in and why, god only knows.
[T]http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/half-life/images/f/f0/Walter.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090406212457&path-prefix=en[/T]
This is basically the maximum level of complexity where you can have automated facial animation.
Also i'd put any money on the horrible drop in model/material/lighting quality on them not being able to optimize the game in time, and them just ratcheting down the global LOD settings universally and going "There, fixed it". The art direction and animation is still a grand old incompetent mess though.
[QUOTE=The Vman;52022540]Wow look at the difference in facial animation on the guy with the gun.
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Like, I can understand changing the lighting and the smoke and whatnot maybe for optimization reasons, but why did they change the facial animation?? It doesn't make any sense.[/QUOTE]
I may not be exactly knowledgable in modeling, animating and so forth, but it feels like at some point in development, a lot of the game's assets were probably modified significantly, but all the animations they'd had were broken in the process. The procedural lip sync is way more goofy and seemingly unfinished than the previous games, and most characters have absolutely no expression unless they're a major character that gets hand-animated cutscenes (aka the Ryders).
It's just a guess though.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52022420]I don't know if this has been posted yet, but
[vid]https://my.mixtape.moe/yugchn.mp4[/vid]
This isn't a case of "oh shucks, it's a bad game.". It's a case of something going horribly wrong internally. They [I]undid[/I] perfectly fine stuff and replaced it with vastly inferior shit. Just look at the gun in the thumbnail, somehow a really shitty LOD model became top LOD. The lighting was just straight up removed. The props got worse, the art direction went from serious si-fi to yellow submarine on a bad day. Somehow the krogan was attacked by an avaunt guard makeup artist and had his materials butchered. And somehow they fucked up rain drops. I don't even know how you can do that with substance designer.
Also friendly reminder that one of the guys in charge was [URL="https://archive.is/37HYG"]this guy[/URL]. A self proclaimed paragon of intersectional values. I get the feeling that this shitshow happened because people got hired/rewarded based on tumblr oppression points, and not talent. Which would explain the trainwreck we have here, and why they felt they had to tear down years of good work and replace it with amateur hour crap that'd end up in the bin for so bad it's good demo reels for a studio to laugh at during lunch breaks.[/QUOTE]
The fact that the before and after on that video are in the wrong positions really messed me up.
[QUOTE=xZippy;52021655]Were the beta testers - if there were any - just saying "Everything looks fine on my end!" as a long-running joke?[/QUOTE]
It's easy to blame QA for bugs that are still in the game, but if normal people are just running into them without actively searching for them you can bet your ass testers found them as well. It's still up to the devs to actually fix them.
Just means they couldn't be arsed to fix them.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52022420][vid]https://my.mixtape.moe/yugchn.mp4[/vid][/QUOTE]
This just makes it more painful.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52022420]
[vid]https://my.mixtape.moe/yugchn.mp4[/vid]
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ok, this video cannot go unexplained. i have to know what happened. did they lose all their assets in a fire a month before launch???
[QUOTE=Rusty100;52023020]ok, this video cannot go unexplained. i have to know what happened. did they lose all their assets in a fire a month before launch???[/QUOTE]
apparently (something I read on reddit) only one of the krogans looks like that abomination (the rest look like the leaked gameplay one)
that doesn't explain the entire scene having better textures, lighting, models, the guy having an entirely different and better head, and actually having what looks like mocap facial animation
[editline]28th March 2017[/editline]
literally all animation except blinking was removed
[QUOTE=Rusty100;52023020]ok, this video cannot go unexplained. i have to know what happened. did they lose all their assets in a fire a month before launch???[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/23/7f/5a/237f5a297dddfd9d61ab3eb3d71f84c1.jpg"]The little engine that said "fuck it"[/URL] - A Bioware story
ITS the sonic 06 syndrome all over again.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;52023081]that doesn't explain the entire scene having better textures, lighting, models, the guy having an entirely different and better head, and actually having what looks like mocap facial animation
[editline]28th March 2017[/editline]
literally all animation except blinking was removed[/QUOTE]
My guess from a technical perspective is that Bioware jumped the shark technologically speaking. Either they downgraded the final product so that there is uniformity between PC/Xbone/PS4, or they tried to go too far with the enviromental rendering and were forced to cut frames in animation or drop some entirely (you cant tell in screenshots anyhow right?)
You wouldn't expect NPC characters to be popping-in in a game released in 2017 unless they were taking up large amounts of resources. I have no evidence to support this suspicion, but it feels to me like ME:A was made by people who specialized in multiplayer gameplay and had to learn to make a single-player experience. Who better than MP specialists to make maps and abilities that work around free-form combat areas, rather than the linear corridors of Mass Effect Past.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52022420]I don't know if this has been posted yet, but
[vid]https://my.mixtape.moe/yugchn.mp4[/vid][/QUOTE]
Not to devalue this, because parts of it are spot on, but the person who recorded the "now" footage was definitely NOT running in on the highest settings available (which the leaked footage probably was). The scene doesn't look ANYWHERE near that bad in the game.
[QUOTE=KaptonJack;52023236]Not to devalue this, because parts of it are spot on, but the person who recorded the "now" footage was definitely NOT running in on the highest settings available (which the leaked footage probably was). The scene doesn't look ANYWHERE near that bad in the game.[/QUOTE]
Not that I don't believe you, but is this scene uploaded to Youtube anywhere? I don't know what the context is so I have no idea what to look for, otherwise I'd find it myself.
What the heck. Have they like ever played the game they were making or at least released betas or something. This shit is like Switch for Nintendo.
[QUOTE=Metaru;52023203]ITS the sonic chronicles syndrome all over again.[/QUOTE]
Fixed that for ya' :v:
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52018239]Krogan must have delicate as fuck nuts if a soft kick through armor is enough to knock one out :v:[/QUOTE]
a kick to two balls already hurts pretty bad. Now just imagine doubling that.
Still, it bothers me that the people arguing in favor of MEA say that ME3 was not free from these errors either.
As in ME3, a game released 10 years ago.
[QUOTE=Metaru;52024295]Still, it bothers me that the people arguing in favor of MEA say that ME3 was not free from these errors either.
As in ME3, a game released 10 years ago.[/QUOTE]
So what's your point...?
ME3, a AAA title from a major developer with pedigree.
And it had numerous fuck ups.
So what makes that okay, and this an affront to humanity as many seem to be stating it is
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52024329]So what's your point...?
ME3, a AAA title from a major developer with pedigree.
And it had numerous fuck ups.
So what makes that okay, and this an affront to humanity as many seem to be stating it is[/QUOTE]
Because they had a massive budget and 5 years to make this game. Add that with lessons that they should have learned from ME3, which makes MEA all the more troubling. They had every resource available to them.
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