[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52024329]So what's your point...?
ME3, a AAA title from a major developer with pedigree.
And it had numerous fuck ups.
So what makes that okay, and this an affront to humanity as many seem to be stating it is[/QUOTE]
"Previous game was crap so it makes it okay for this one to be crap as well"
[QUOTE=ManuFi;52023254]What the heck. Have they like ever played the game they were making or at least released betas or something. [B]This shit is like Switch for Nintendo.[/B][/QUOTE]
Good rule of thumb is to think before you post
Why would you give Mass Effect to a team with literally 0 experience
[QUOTE=Damjen;52024458]"Previous game was crap so it makes it okay for this one to be crap as well"[/QUOTE]
WEll when you're remembering a game as better than it was
Then yes how isn't that valid
You guys seem to have a real problem with anything that isn't overt hate. I'm not defending the game but if you want to act like ME3 DIDNT have issues you're mis-remembering very favourably.
I just replayed it. It has tons of issues. Does that make this okay? No, and you're putting words hand over fist into my mouth to make me say that.
[editline]28th March 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;52024460]Good rule of thumb is to think before you post[/QUOTE]
Well crowbcat said it so it's true
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52024469]
You guys seem to have a real problem with anything that isn't overt hate. I'm not defending the game but if you want to act like ME3 DIDNT have issues you're mis-remembering very favourably.
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But no one is saying ME3 didn't have issues. Please quote the user who said it was perfect if I'm mistaken. All anyone is saying is that MEA is considerably more buggy and somehow poorly written compared to ME3. But no one is saying ME3 is perfect.
The only reason people think you're defending the game is because your mental gymnastics required to compare the game to the original trilogy in any favorable light is coming across as apologism. In almost every thread regarding MEA.
People are entitled to overt hatred of this game just as you're entitled to enjoy it and defend it for some confusing reason.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52024469]WEll when you're remembering a game as better than it was
Then yes how isn't that valid
You guys seem to have a real problem with anything that isn't overt hate. I'm not defending the game but if you want to act like ME3 DIDNT have issues you're mis-remembering very favourably.
I just replayed it. It has tons of issues. Does that make this okay? No, and you're putting words hand over fist into my mouth to make me say that.
[editline]28th March 2017[/editline]
Well crowbcat said it so it's true[/QUOTE]
I remember ME3 as badly written game with tons of obvious signs of being rushed to the release that still managed to present itself way better than ME:A, had voice acting levels way above what's average for Bioware Montreal's creation and still managed to tie two major plot points really well.
Meanwhile, Andromeda has horrible animations, writing just as bad if not worse than ME3's and voice acting that sounds more like something from a fan film than a AAA video game. And it took over twice as long to be made compared to ME3. And it's somehow buggier.
Keeping development cycles in mind, its amazing that ME3 ended up as relatively polished as it did. It was very rushed and slightly out of the scope of the company. In comparison, 5 years of development for MEA makes one wonder how the questionable quality of the game made it into release.
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;52024501]But no one is saying ME3 didn't have issues. Please quote the user who said it was perfect if I'm mistaken. All anyone is saying is that MEA is considerably more buggy and somehow poorly written compared to ME3. But no one is saying ME3 is perfect.
The only reason people think you're defending the game is because your mental gymnastics required to compare the game to the original trilogy in any favorable light is coming across as apologism.
People are entitled to overt hatred of this game just as you're entitled to enjoy it and defend it for some confusing reason.[/QUOTE]
Having literally just replayed them in the last month, yes, I feel fully qualified to compare them in a fresh memory.
Yes, this game is lower quality, please point out to me where I said it was higher quality? Oh, you can't? Oh, no one here can besides for the words they stuff in my mouth to make their argument easier for them?
Is honest discussion to much to ask for? Does adding hyperbole to every statement really help? What if we all talked purely in hyperbolics for a whole thread? Would we get anywhere?
I'm not even comparing it in a favourable light, you're just not fucking reading what I'm saying. I'm saying to remember the old games as being flawless, bugless, jankless games is wrong, no one has said that outright but much of it has been implied. The old games were rushed, budget games that failed to seize their real potential from the first game onwards. This is a long developed flop of a title. How hard is it to have an honest fucking discussion? I rip on this game constantly, but nah, I'm a staunch defender of it. Because I'm sick of the hyperbole?
No one is saying you can't compare them, dude. People are just saying that the comparisons don't really hold up, because despite issues, 1 2 and 3 stand up as polished titles people enjoy. MEA isn't holding up to that standard.
You're getting way too aggressive and are insisting people are shoving words into your mouth - that's not what is happening. You come into every MEA thread and basically post the same stuff. Bringing up the issues and bugs of the original trilogy adds [I]nothing[/I] to the discussion, because it is largely irrelevant. If you wish to bring it into the discussion, you have to concede that their quality is still superior to MEA. If you're willing to agree to that, why bring up the original trilogy in the first place? It's a confusing move that makes people believe you have a reason to detract from criticism towards the game. It's easy to mistake that for defending the title.
When you have to say the point you're arguing against isn't "said but much of it has been implied", you should probably consider it a point not worth arguing against.
From an outsider looking in who has tertiary knowledge of Mass Effect at best, well uh...
Andromeda looks like a huge steaming pile of shit animated on puppet strings by some guys they picked up off the street with peanuts using dollar store dolls, with the writing of a terrible young adult novel as the cherry on top of a sundae made out of sewage and a studio on borrowed time.
[Quote] I rip on this game constantly, but nah, I'm a staunch defender of it. Because I'm sick of the hyperbole?[/QUOTE]
Pretty much. Said hyperbole comes from the momentum that this game's raunchy performance has generated. Anyone trying to tone down the sensationalist depiction built around it will be seen as a detractor of the general consensus. Even if you have legit concerns or not.
Back in the day, if someone ever raised a concern about doing an actual analysis on ME3 rather than merely parroting that the ending was shit, said someone would be treated as a drone/fanboy/etc.
If the game has genuinely good elements attached to it, they will only surface once the sensationalist comedy built around it fades away. And it will.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;52023020]ok, this video cannot go unexplained. i have to know what happened. did they lose all their assets in a fire a month before launch???[/QUOTE]
It was made by someone playing on the lowest settings to make the game look worse than it is. The fucking retarded hate train the game is getting means people accept literally every negative thing shown about the game regardless of how valid it is. This 'example' just goes to show that no one gives a shit about how good the game actually is because they're too busy masturbating over "$40 million, 5 years!" and shouting down anyone who dares to not hate the game.
It's got a lot of problems, but this clip isn't one.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;52024621]It was made by someone playing on the lowest settings to make the game look worse than it is. The fucking retarded hate train the game is getting means people accept literally every negative thing shown about the game regardless of how valid it is. This 'example' just goes to show that no one gives a shit about how good the game actually is because they're too busy masturbating over "$40 million, 5 years!" and shouting down anyone who dares to not hate the game.
It's got a lot of problems, but this clip isn't one.[/QUOTE]
Uh, nah, calling bullshit.
I havent seen any footage of the game at ALL that comes even remotely close to that other clip.
Also putting it on low settings wouldnt delete animations, remove most of the effects on screen, and completely fuck up the lighting to that extent. Most of what ive seen of the game looks just like the footage on the left if not worse.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;52024630]Uh, nah, calling bullshit.
I havent seen any footage of the game at ALL that comes even remotely close to that other clip.
Also putting it on low settings wouldnt delete animations,[B] remove most of the effects on screen,[/B] and completely fuck up the lighting to that extent. Most of what ive seen of the game looks just like the footage on the left if not worse.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly what putting the game on low would do. Secondly, there are two animations in that entire thing that are slightly different, the krogan squeezing the fruit (which he did when I played it), and the guy's face, which looks fucking stupid in the 'better' version.
I'm fucking sick of all you people who haven't played the game telling those of us who have played it that we're wrong because you watched a fucking youtube video. "I haven't seen the thing you have that you say is better, but I saw a Crowbcat video so I'm right and you're wrong."
The game has a lot of problems, many of which I've brought up in the Mass effect thread. All you are doing is focusing on a handful of shitty animations and calling the entire game irredeemable garbage, shouting down anyone who tries to be neutral about the game. No one's even trying to be positive and say it's good, but no that's not enough, if you don't agree that it's literally worse than dog shit you're and idiot who's 'defending the game'.
[QUOTE=Metaru;52024601]Pretty much. Said hyperbole comes from the momentum that this game's raunchy performance has generated. Anyone trying to tone down the sensationalist depiction built around it will be seen as a detractor of the general consensus. Even if you have legit concerns or not.
Back in the day, if someone ever raised a concern about doing an actual analysis on ME3 rather than merely parroting that the ending was shit, said someone would be treated as a drone/fanboy/etc.
If the game has genuinely good elements attached to it, they will only surface once the sensationalist comedy built around it fades away. And it will.[/QUOTE]
This is why I don't think videos like Crowbcat have any value what so ever
[editline]28th March 2017[/editline]
I want to have an honest discussion about the game, flaws and it's successes but you can't do that
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;52024681]That's exactly what putting the game on low would do. Secondly, there are two animations in that entire thing that are slightly different, the krogan squeezing the fruit (which he did when I played it), and the guy's face, which looks fucking stupid in the 'better' version.
I'm fucking sick of all you people who haven't played the game telling those of us who have played it that we're wrong because you watched a fucking youtube video. "I haven't seen the thing you have that you say is better, but I saw a Crowbcat video so I'm right and you're wrong."
The game has a lot of problems, many of which I've brought up in the Mass effect thread. All you are doing is focusing on a handful of shitty animations and calling the entire game irredeemable garbage, shouting down anyone who tries to be neutral about the game. No one's even trying to be positive and say it's good, but no that's not enough, if you don't agree that it's literally worse than dog shit you're and idiot who's 'defending the game'.[/QUOTE]
Sorry for not buying the game because it looked like ass?
Ive seen more than just the Crowbcat video, the characters look like total ass. I mean for christs sake they were too lazy to rig two different skeletons for the humans so the men are just the women with longer torsos and have the exact same legs.
[editline]28th March 2017[/editline]
Also, the guys face in the better version is actually animated and reacting to something happening, it honestly sounds like you're coming up with an excuse to dismiss it.
While the game is nowhere near the rancid failure as people like to claim based on comedic videos designed to nitpick bugs for jokes, I feel like the defense of animation some other people have desperately been trying to put forth is also kind of idiotic.
Most animations not directly related to combat range from serviceable to just fucking bad. How much importance you're willing to give these animations in terms of rating the game is up to individual standards and tastes.
Far as I've been able to play it, there's a lot of good things about the game and most of the things that people have been describing as the worst imaginable type of cancer actually tends to just be average or somewhat subpar at worse, nowhere near the "OH MY GOD THIS IS THE WORST CATASTROPHE SINCE THE HINDENBURG" description that people have blindly pushed.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;52024711]Sorry for not buying the game because it looked like ass?
Ive seen more than just the Crowbcat video, the characters look like total ass. I mean for christs sake they were too lazy to rig two different skeletons for the humans so the men are just the women with longer torsos and have the exact same legs.
[editline]28th March 2017[/editline]
Also, the guys face in the better version is actually animated and reacting to something happening, it honestly sounds like you're coming up with an excuse to dismiss it.[/QUOTE]
I don't think he asked you to buy it or say sorry you didn't not even implied it remotely.
I'm glad people didn't buy it to be honest, it isn't a great product. That doesn't mean everything I've seen discussed is representative of everything
[editline]28th March 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52024720]While the game is nowhere near the rancid failure as people like to claim based on comedic videos designed to nitpick bugs for jokes, I feel like the defense of animation some other people have desperately been trying to put forth is also kind of idiotic.
Most animations not directly related to combat range from serviceable to just fucking bad. How much importance you're willing to give these animations in terms of rating the game is up to individual standards and tastes.
Far as I've been able to play it, there's a lot of good things about the game and most of the things that people have been describing as the worst imaginable type of cancer actually tends to just be average or somewhat subpar at worse, nowhere near the "OH MY GOD THIS IS THE WORST CATASTROPHE SINCE THE HINDENBURG" description that people have blindly pushed.[/QUOTE]
It has tons of problems but pretty much this
[QUOTE=AaronM202;52024711]Sorry for not buying the game because it looked like ass?
Ive seen more than just the Crowbcat video, the characters look like total ass. I mean for christs sake they were too lazy to rig two different skeletons for the humans so the men are just the women with longer torsos and have the exact same legs.
[editline]28th March 2017[/editline]
Also, the guys face in the better version is actually animated and reacting to something happening, it honestly sounds like you're coming up with an excuse to dismiss it.[/QUOTE]
Or I've seen how it actually looks in game and it's actually fine? There are a lot of fucking terrible animations in Andromeda, but that scene is actually fine. I was just trying to point out that the guy who made that 'comparison' was intentionally trying to make the game look worse than it is (note how I never said "Make the game look bad", which would imply I think the game looks good).
I also said it didn't matter because people are so dead set on hating the game that the fact that it's bullshit will be ignored and anyone who doesn't explicitly hate the game will be shouted down. And hey look you did exactly that instantly.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;52024743]Or I've seen how it actually looks in game and it's actually fine? There are a lot of fucking terrible animations in Andromeda, but that scene is actually fine. I was just trying to point out that the guy who made that 'comparison' was intentionally trying to make the game look worse than it is (note how I never said "Make the game look bad", which would imply I think the game looks good).
I also said it didn't matter because people are so dead set on hating the game that the fact that it's bullshit will be ignored and anyone who doesn't explicitly hate the game will be shouted down. And hey look you did exactly that instantly.[/QUOTE]
Do you have any other screenshots or videos of that scene?
[QUOTE=AaronM202;52024752]Do you have any other screenshots or videos of that scene?[/QUOTE]
No, I'm sorry that when I was playing the game I wasn't thinking "Gee, I should record this so I can show it off to people who mindlessly shit on the game over minor issues." I'll keep that in mind in the future.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;52024771]No, I'm sorry that when I was playing the game I wasn't thinking "Gee, I should record this so I can show it off to people who mindlessly shit on the game over minor issues." I'll keep that in mind in the future.[/QUOTE]
Oh so its your word against evidence then.
[editline]28th March 2017[/editline]
Because keep in mind im looking at something, and you're telling me "oh no no its not real dont worry".
And when i ask for evidence of it looking different in the actual game you go "no fuck off why dont you believe me".
[QUOTE=Metaru;52024601]Pretty much. Said hyperbole comes from the momentum that this game's raunchy performance has generated. Anyone trying to tone down the sensationalist depiction built around it will be seen as a detractor of the general consensus. Even if you have legit concerns or not.
Back in the day, if someone ever raised a concern about doing an actual analysis on ME3 rather than merely parroting that the ending was shit, said someone would be treated as a drone/fanboy/etc.
If the game has genuinely good elements attached to it, they will only surface once the sensationalist comedy built around it fades away. And it will.[/QUOTE]
And I remember people making good lighthearted fun of how basic and sometimes amateurish the animations of ME3 could be. People with blank expressions doing dramatic leaps to shield each other from bullets in badly choreographed cutscenes, but no one really claimed the game was dogshit because of this alone. Hell, it was mostly just a small off-hand remark that people found amusing for a game that was generally well appreciated until people got to the ending and the popular opinion on the title got turned inside out.
[QUOTE=Zeos;52024463]Why would you give Mass Effect to a team with literally 0 experience[/QUOTE]
Because they don't give two shits about their franchise and know people will gobble it up because it's Mass Effect, made by Bioware.
They're a company that just doesn't understand they're living in a world where they've burned bridges and better companies have risen up to take the RPG market.
i dont get what the problem here is
they clearly rushed the product and did not polish it like they should have
they hired cheap people who had no experience in their role for this AAA game
the game is buggy as hell, inexcusably buggy. there's a difference between early-release bugs and "they clearly spent like 3 hours in QA"
and overall its just not a good product
so why try to convince yourself otherwise
[QUOTE=Metaru;52024601]Pretty much. Said hyperbole comes from the momentum that this game's raunchy performance has generated. Anyone trying to tone down the sensationalist depiction built around it will be seen as a detractor of the general consensus. Even if you have legit concerns or not.
Back in the day, if someone ever raised a concern about doing an actual analysis on ME3 rather than merely parroting that the ending was shit, said someone would be treated as a drone/fanboy/etc.
If the game has genuinely good elements attached to it, they will only surface once the sensationalist comedy built around it fades away. And it will.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget about the SJW boogeymen who make games bad on purpose in order to accomplish...something? as part of their social justice crusade.
Four years ago we would be saying this game was mismanaged and handed to the wrong people, but everything has to be a fucking culture war to some people.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;52024790]Oh so its your word against evidence then.
[editline]28th March 2017[/editline]
Because keep in mind im looking at something, and you're telling me "oh no no its not real dont worry".
And when i ask for evidence of it looking different in the actual game you go "no fuck off why dont you believe me".[/QUOTE]
in fairness no one even knows what scene you are talking about. It's undoubtedly on Youtube in someones playthrough already but we don't even know what we are looking for because the only people who talk about the scene are the ones who haven't played the game. You can't seriously expect Janus (or anyone) to constantly record footage of their game and then back out to edit and upload it. That said, I'll try myself if I remember when I get to that part.
It is worth mentioning that from what I've played so far not a single scene in the game looks nearly as bad as the footage in that release vs leaked gameplay so it would truly be a fluke if it looks that bad, but it probably doesn't look as good as the leaked side either.
[QUOTE=tupacman;52025029]i dont get what the problem here is
they clearly rushed the product and did not polish it like they should have
they hired cheap people who had no experience in their role for this AAA game
the game is buggy as hell, inexcusably buggy. there's a difference between early-release bugs and "they clearly spent like 3 hours in QA"
and overall its just not a good product
so why try to convince yourself otherwise[/QUOTE]
Because there was potential that this could've been great. They had five years and a decent budget, all they had to do was try. The combat shows that this would've been a pretty good game, but along the way they got lazy. It feels like something happened during development that caused a massive shift in how the game is designed. The writing and characters are proof that something isn't right with the team behind this game.
I definitely feel like the games development was restarted at some point in time while playing it. There just such a wild variance in polish
[QUOTE=AaronM202;52024752]Do you have any other screenshots or videos of that scene?[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;M4LPhG7L1qM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4LPhG7L1qM[/video]
here's a side by side with someone running the shipped game on higher settings.
Everything still stands.
Somehow out of all of it, the rain drop downgrades bug me the most. Why would you mess with that? I don't understand.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52025575][video=youtube;M4LPhG7L1qM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4LPhG7L1qM[/video]
here's a side by side with someone running the shipped game on higher settings.
Everything still stands.
Somehow out of all of it, the rain drop downgrades bug me the most. Why would you mess with that? I don't understand.[/QUOTE]
isn't that literally just the same footage as the original webm that started this debate in the first place but formatted differently?
[editline]boop[/editline]
looks like some of the background characters at the end are different so I guess not v:v:v
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