I believe he later updated the 15 part estimate to 15-26 parts. Given how far back in the past we are at only part 10 I'm assuming 26 parts may be minimum.
I'm addicted to these, GIVE ME MOORREEEEE
That last video was pretty depressing. I don't care who you are or what you have done, no one really deserves that level of cruelty. I get why they would want to troll and do stupid shit, but these people are literally wasted their lives harassing Chris. Think on that for a few minutes....you wasted time and effort harassing an autistic kid. Then turn around and beat your chest as if you accomplished something epic, you did something to a person who is clearly developmentally challenged and the tactics you used would never work with a normal functioning person.
Chris-chan is a sad tale about the downspiral of a human individual. Yet it is also a dreadful tale about the cruelty of humanity as a whole.
And how terribly neglectful the American mental healthcare system really is. The only reason he isn't getting treatment is because his parents have their own mental problems that just flew under the radar, as their issues are way more widely spread and ignored in modern America.
Bob wasn't mentally ill, he was just a really bad parent (for Chris, anyway. David and Carol turned out okay) who didn't understand Chris' needs.
Barb probably does have some mental illness (as evidenced by her hoarding, attacking a police officer, and Cole's experiences with her), although it's not clear what it is and it's either not as
severe as Chris' or was better treated. She was horribly lazy before Bob died, and is too sickly (probably from cancer) to pick up the slack now.
I don't blame his parents for falling apart and sort of not managing to raise Chris. I blame them for not accepting outside help from a system that while deeply flawed and neglectful, could still have done a lot to help him develop and help them keep afloat both mentally and economically. The amount of stress and anxiety they must have had, especially as he became physically adult but still stuck at 12 must have been monumental. The stigma on mental issues, whether it's a stress breakdown or schizophrenia is making it the only solution for a lot of people to just sit back, give up and let their lives fall apart. A counseling session a month could probably have given Barb a way better adult life and i bet if Bob had wanted, he could have had way better insight into Chris' problems, but they swapped their therapists and experts for a pastor and the effect on Chris was that for years he was a casual bigot on youtube, not knowing how fucked up the stuff he said was... Until he came out as Transsexual... Which i don't think he even comprehends what really means. As another symptom of his problems, he's just LARPing as a woman. becoming another case of people hiding their real problems behind Gender Dysphoria as if people REALLY dealing with Gender Dysphoria don't have a hard enough time getting taken seriously in the first place.
All of this could have been avoided if anyone had helped the adults in his life be open-minded and accepting of others expertise, as adults should do. Yes, he's severely autistic, but 90% of his problems is a lack of good role-models. His anti-gay rhetoric and all of his antics reeks of a kid whose only connection to the real world is when his family goes to church. His only friend outside of the trolls is his Pastor and his father keeps rubbing his antics off on Barbara so she can deal with it. Chris is IMO a posterboy for parental neglect. His parents had so many opportunities to get a few things right here and there, but they refused and it's why i think they also have some real mental problems. If nothing else, Depression and stress from their situation.
I just started watching this series (on episode 2 now) and holy shit if they'd just let him go to the special school none of this would be happening.
I remember a lot of very similar individuals from my high school days who were in similar positions; really obvious mental issues, but they were still shoehorned into gen-ed classes rather than going where they'd be able to receive more generalized attention.
As I recall, the school tried to change things around, but it was the parents who forced their hand, possibly clinging to some daft hope that their kid didn't need any kind of help. It's a fucked situation; everyone loses unless CPS gets involved, and even then...
The Chris-chan chronicles is analogous to the movie Boyhood
I occasionally see posts that Chris make, and they are usually him selling stuff for like 30% more then the original price because it has his autograph on it.
He also auctioned off a 'visit from Christchan himself' but that got shut down fairly quickly.
he has some cool old toys that i bet some collectors would like but he keeps fucking writing christine on everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwbJAjLeI5c
Perhaps the rise of the alt right and such has desensitized me to shitty people, but even at Chris' worse, he was a mentally ill autistic man raised by a similarly mentally ill (and abusive) mother, and an ill-equipped father, both of whom were unable to care for an autistic child, instilling the poor personality traits that he was criticized for, deeply into his subconscious; it's already difficult enough for someone with full mental faculties, raised in a racist or homophobic household, to turn their opinions around, now compound this with his social isolation and reliance on his parents, and obviously no 12 year old bullying him online was ever going to "help him be better." Imagine going out of your way to abuse someone because they use the Bible to justify their belief that being gay is immoral, you have about a few billion people on earth guilty of the same opinion, and no one is going out of their way to "bring judgment" upon a some random pastor.
Even when he was "given advice" to "be a better person," it was always laden with heavy abuse; even when he continuously was the victim of this abuse, he often wished for the best for the people who tormented him, rarely even showing the negative personality traits that the community exaggerated. Literally people who made threats on his life, far worse than anything he did, he forgave.The same negative traits that are shown by the very trolls that tormented him. Selfishness, a lack of empathy or understanding of social consequences; these are the things Chris was criticized for constantly, yet the people voicing this criticism show a severe lack of the very core ideals that they pass judgement on Chris for lacking, without having autism to justify it. Is manipulating a 30 year old man for laughs a sign of a healthy mind? Is "trolling" some random stranger and bringing them to tears for fun a sign of a healthy mind? Even the lighter trolls went far and beyond what Chris ever did, for absolutely no reason, always justifying it with some weird "I art holier than thou" lesson, when everyone knows that that is not at all what the actual reason was. It was a big laugh, that's it, that's all, no matter what ethical spin you put on it to justify it to yourself.
All of these literal children with nothing better to do, treating Chris as if he was the pinnacle of shittiness, when we live in a society full of actual terrible people; racists that commit violent hate crimes, homophobes that lobby to prevent gay adoption, serial sexual harassment committed by societal idols that goes unpunished due to wealth or power, and these children think that they are helping society by torturing one autistic adult man whose worst crimes were being subtly racist and homophobic (due to his upbringing, through no fault of his own, a crime of being born into the wrong family in the wrong part of the world), or potentially being too handsy with women? (obviously a big deal, sexual harassment is never okay, but you cannot put his autism induced lack of understanding of physical boundaries of things like hands-on-shoulders on the same level as rape)
I mean hell, the trolls worsened his sexual understanding; you can't claim Chris is sexually assaulting you by putting his hand on your shoulder or attempting to go in for a kiss when you spend a lengthy amount of time making romantic conversation and insinuating sexual interest. I've gone for kisses on the first date when things went well, why in the world would trolls actually consider it a big deal, especially when part of their shtick was making it seem like they were head-over-heels for Chris on and before the date? It's ridiculous. So what if his "love quest" was just a quest to fuck someone, how many people in this world are guilty of horrible crime of just wanting sex? His autism definitely ruins his perception of love and lust, but even if he was aware, and only sought female companionship for sexual reasons, that's something millions of people do all the time. Tons of people actively lie about their romantic intentions just to get into bed with somebody, but Chris, even if sex was his primary goal, obviously want(ed) companionship just as well, understandable for anyone in his situation.
I feel nothing buy contempt for literally everyone involved in this, and unlike most people, including posters here, I do not blame Chris for almost anything. Any negative trait, no matter how bad, is a result of his parents, his upbringing, the poor decisions of authority figures in his life, including the coddling, and his autism. None of the things he did were ever anywhere close to as malicious or harmful as the trolls that bullied him. I would say that there are a large number of individuals in our government, as well as those that we idolize as celebrities, that do far worse, far more often, with far more malicious intent, with far fewer reasons to justify their hateful actions, and yet it seems the internet is more content wasting its time focusing on one mentally ill man, who is now so far down the rabbit hole that he likely will only be able to function with the constant internet attention that has now permanently shaped his reality. His most negative traits now are merely results of his treatment by trolls, we can only blame ourselves for what he's become, and any criticism that is levied against him, for his actions now or in the past, is moot because we were the abusive household that created this monster.
I remember sharing this opinions years ago when Chris first became an internet phenomenon, and I was shut down hard, even on my old first account here on Facepunch; people then claimed he deserved the treatment, that it wasn't as bad as it seemed, that anything we did "was only a fraction of what he does." Insanity. I'm glad there is more of an understanding now, but there is still such a sheer lack of empathy, a distressing amount of hypocrisy, of self indulgence and satisfaction, of "but he said he hated gays once, he deserves this!" And yet those very same individuals who claim his homophobia justifies his punishment make shitty stereotypes about gays or use Chris' "gay punishment" as a joke, as if gays and gay sex are the punchline for their gag. These people who are often just as racist, just as homophobic, just as sexually repressed, acting so self righteous, and hundreds of tumors joining in on the fun because hey, "he deserves it lol." Bluespike is an abominable representative of the worst, but anyone who thinks that the other trolls "were okay because they weren't as bad" have an alarming lack of empathy and psychological understanding.
Even this relatively "fair and balanced" documentary has put a light spin on their presentation of Chris' story in, trying subtly to blame Chris for some of this harassment, as if there was ever a time when he was more than only slightly to blame. With the constant barrage of attention, his lack of social understanding, of any other reality, how could anyone say "he could've just walked away"? He couldn't. That's like saying to a depressed person, "you could just cheer up" or to a person with GID "you could just be happy with your penis." That's not how mental illness works, especially when these personality flaws were instilled so deeply into him over years of childhood development. A few strangers on the internet telling him to change his ways is not going to alter decades of childhood development; even the therapy, which people claim "should've fixed him but he refused" isn't going to be the fix when his parents constantly allowed him to break off these potential solutions to problems they didn't believe he had, and because the only figures he could trust in his world didn't push for it, obviously he wouldn't either. Anyone else proved long ago that they weren't trustworthy, so obviously Chris would never take any real advice to heart, because to him trolls and fans were one-in-the-same, and any "advice" given to him had about a 99% chance to be a ruse, so of course he's going to put the awful parenting above even the legitimately well-meaning viewers.
Everything about this situation is detestable. In a world where neo-nazis are defended with the first amendment and get spots on day time TV or at college presentations, or when victims of celebrity sexual abuse are gas-lighted, and that gas-lighting is downplayed by fans of said celebrities, and where school shootings have reached an all time high in the US for the last near decade, and people refuse to discuss the problem, whether it be about guns or mental health or society at large, hundreds of thousands of people choose to focus their time, effort, energy, on bullying a random stranger on the internet under the guise of helping save society from a "bad person." I watch these documentaries because it's interesting to see the stuff I never got to see before, because I tried to stay out of it, and didn't get to see just how bad it became, and now that I do, I feel even more strongly that the millions of people on the internet, on Reddit or Youtube or here that defended this entire ordeal as it happened, and laughed along, are just as complicate as Bluespike. Everyone who fueled the fire by joining in, even just with silent support, put us where we are now, and even though most people have moved on and forgotten, there is still a broken shell of a mentally ill, deranged man, that is broken because of them.
Seeing all of this put together really makes it clear how unhinged he has been, even long before people caught wind of him. When you only gets bits and pieces it's fun to laugh, but in a chronological order it's a running nightmare
How many times can one dude be be fooled by the same tactic?
Troll: "I'm a pretty lady and I love you!"
Chris: "I love you lets meet up!"
Troll: "Jokes on you I'm a dude/dead/kidnapped!"
Repeat ad nauseam.
The saying "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" comes in to play here imo. If you can blame Chris for anything it's being both very gullible and way too trusting of people on the freakin internet.
it's almost as if he has a mental illness likely compounded with numerous other undiagnosed mental illnesses on top of a complete lack of understanding of social contexts or causal relativity brought upon by his childhood raised in a nearly completely isolated environment by parents who prevented him from experiencing and adjusting to reality and the concepts of trust, boundaries, and privacy; exacerbated by their highly conservative beliefs that contradict both the views of most people his age, as well as the actual behavior of real life individuals, resulting in a delayed, or even nonexistent development of core parts of his brain that would prevent these sort of problems from happening in the first place
perhaps he's not being fooled at all, since being fooled sort of requires a person be capable of ever seeing through a lie in the first place, thus, it's more like asking "how many times can one dude with no legs wake up and go for a jog"
interesting that many vouch for mental illness to be taken more seriously and treated like a physical and debilitating one when someone harms themselves or others, or has a schizophrenic episode, and people cry for a better public understanding and de-stigmatization of mental illnesses, especially autism; just not in this case apparently
same level as all the 'point-and-laugh' shows on TLC that take advantage of the mentally ill eating weird things or hoarding so the average person can get a cheap thrill or laugh
One thing that becomes abundantly clear is that Chris has no understanding of how many people... exist? I know it's very common for people with severe developmental disabilities to have trouble understanding values (E.G. People with FASD have zero concept of items having intrinsic or extrinsic value, especially related to money).
But Chris... can see the numbers on things that he's uploaded. Like even outside of his ego, no one is playing his maps on LBP, yet somehow he things that he's some superstar that everyone is playing his maps. It's kinda incredible
Chris Chan is like every part of humanity we don't like to talk about rolled into one. He's so fascinating because, in many ways, he is all of us. We can empathize with his wants and goals to a point, but there's always a tipping point that ruins it.
One of the most fascinating parts of this series was when the trolls tried to fool him into thinking that someone killed themself because of him. So Chris' response was to get visibly sad and apologize, wishing the "bereaved" well and praying for them. It made me think, "aw, that's fucked up, he's doing the right thing"; then, literally as I was thinking that, he follows it up with "someday you'll get a girlfriend of your very own, and she'll make you happier than your brother ever did. I know what it's like to lose someone, my dog just died" and it all goes down the drain in spectacular fashion. For as offensive and disgusting as Chris is, you want to root for him; he's both an underdog and his own worst enemy, all at the same time.
It's engrossing because here's a person who could have lived a perfectly normal life if he were to exist under different circumstances. We normally choose not to think about "what if" scenarios, either because it's too much of a stretch to seriously consider or too painful to even think about. But there are several clear and obvious moments in Chris' story where we can see things go wrong. If he didn't win that SEGA Sweepstakes, he wouldn't have his feeling of self-entitlement. If his parents agreed to send him to a special school, he could have had a reasonable upbringing. If he never set foot on the internet, he'd just be another average handicapped man instead of the most-documented person in all of human history.
I find it very interesting to see where the line is with people, and how it can shift with the added benefit of hindsight. I've seen people act extremely critical of people similar to the early sagas of Chris' life (creeping on girls, being openly racist and homophobic, generally as a result of some sort of mental illness/non-ideal upbringing) completely backpedal their opinion of him after he "came out" as a trans lesbian. For me, it was all fun and games until BlueSpike happened. There are others who probably listen to that audio recording and laugh without feeling even an ounce of guilt or pity.
It's a story where you really get to experience the full range of human emotions on all fronts.
I don't know about anyone else. But I had to skip the parts of the video where he was declaring his love for his newest "girlfriend". It was so cringy I couldn't even sit through it.
A lot of this I agree with, Chris' trolls were unarguably worse than him in maliciousness and often even lifestyle (A-Log immediately comes to mind), and he tends to (as all lolcows do) attract a crowd of people desperately trying to hide their own flaws by gawking at the freak. The idea that Chris' traits come from being trolled is completely incorrect, though.
It's quite hard to miss the fact that Chris was shaped by his early childhood experiences and mental illness compounded by bad parenting. He could have been a high functioning autist, or live a relatively normal life for an autistic person.
This is gonna sound harsh as fuck, but it doesn't change my opinion of him because he's seriously not trans. It's just another symptom of his problems in that he's treating it entirely as some kind of weird LARP session. There's nothing about what he's doing that even remotely represents what actual gender dysphoria is about and he's not the only one doing it. Suicide rates among trans people are so high because a good chunk of people who live as trans people only really do so because they have a lot of other unresolved shit and this is their safe spot. He's a shining example of this and it's not doing the LGBT movement any services to humor him. Extremist feminists are already shitting all over Trans people because much like fundies, they just think they're all roleplaying and being disgusting... well, Chris is the closet to that statement you get, but he's still only doing it because he needs actual mental professionals to sort his life out, not because he's being malicious.
TL;DR: Chris isn't trans. He's playing.
As fucking awful as it sounds, Chris might be the only person ever that I would go and say "You're not trans".
Ever. Gatekeeping is disgusting but oh my god. He's used his status as a transgender person to try and make it more acceptable to be around women, like hosting slumber parties but then when another trans person wanted to do a similar event (E.G. just a nice hangout session for women, regardless of identity) he freaked out and got immensely pissed at them.
It's really engrossing on a prospective level. Like, I'll admit, back when I was a shitheaded teenager, I definitely had that sort of "if I make myself into a reliable punching bag for her amusement, she'll see what a nice and humble guy I am" mindset; thankfully, I've since grown the fuck up and gained a sense of self-confidence and whatnot. But Chris is that mindset taken to its zenith; he's never learned, never matured, never grown up. And it really makes you wonder, "what if", you know? Chris is like the worst-case scenario for anyone who enjoys stuff like anime and video games. Sure, he's a legend now, but there was once a time when he was just a kid who liked playing Sonic and watching Pokemon, same as (I would argue) the majority of the people on this forum.
And the idea that someone like Chris-Chan could have sprouted from the same proverbial soil as any of us is both terrifying and fascinating all at once. Any of us could have been Chris-Chan, were we saddled with his set of circumstances. And sure, you could hand-wave that away with the old "if I had wheels I'd be a wagon" rebuttal, but I can't help but feel that something's different about this specific situation.
He has this way of constantly surprising you in the worst ways; every time you think he's getting better, or that he's started to grow and learn from his misfortunes, he mentions his fucking Love Quest and you realize it's all a work. Even in this most recent episode, when he was "dating" Emily, he took the time to outright tell another girl he'd be interested in pursuing things with her "if this doesn't work out". Every time he takes a step forward and demonstrates some degree of emotional maturity or growth or even innocence, you realize it's coming from a desire to satisfy his own materialistic goals. "I pick Julie, that's the correct answer, right? Now give me my PSN back."
It's so fucking frustrating, but you don't dare look away, because that would mean that the story comes to an end. It's truly riveting stuff.
The trans stuff does seem to be a symptom of some sort of undiagnosed mental illness, but not one that hormones and girly clothes can heal. Stabbing oneself in
the taint to release an imaginary vagina that was "created" by listening to youtube videos is not something that transgenders or LARPers do, and a lot of the other things he's done since he
"came out" is beyond what even his past self would've considered.
I keep seeing people mention possible schizophrenia, considering his new "sweethearts" are apparently characters from the Sonichu comic who have traveled to our plain of existence with the intent of being in a three-way relationship with him.
Also heard that apparently some idea-guys talked him into adding a bunch of edgelord shit into the comics, which he later walked back; but by the way he was phrasing his Tweets, you'd think he was implying some sort of ghostly possession motivated him to go through with it.
I get the sinking feeling things are only going to get worse from here on out.
Chris isn't schizophrenic. He has seen tens of doctors and psychologists over the course of multiple decades, if it were there, it surely would have been discovered by now. The weird shit he says about characters being real is part his imagination, part lie (he is known to lie about ridiculous shit to seem powerful and mysterious) and part trolls egging him on. The ghostly possession shit was actually recommended to him by the same troll who suggested the edgy shit, if I remember right.
I see this again and again. It's like your entire post just totally glosses over that he's not like every other insecure kid at that age. He's severely autistic. He's never gonna evolve and he never was gonna. His best case scenario isn't finding a sense of self and a backbone. His best case scenario would have been special ed class and pædagogic support for the rest of his life, which he definitely should have gotten. He would definitely have been in a better place now. But nowhere in all of eternity could he have "just behaved" and evolved past it. This was never just a teen with conficence issues. This goes much deeper and people just keep sweeping it aside and holding him up as some kind of "this could be me" worst case scenario.
This could never be you. You might chose to be self-indulgent, unemployed and live at home until 30. But you'd always be aware how shitty it is to do and you'd be aware of the path out of the hole. Not only is he not aware of either, he's not capable and there's the great tragedy of it all. People keep thrashing him for being a garbage human and making shitty choices in life when the reality is that the people who should have made good life-choices for him chose to stay willfully ignorant of his problems. It's not that he's willfully being a piece of trash. Fact is that he's socially and developmentally (genuinely) retarded and he has less of a say in fixing it than a lot of people seem to think.
These posts just reveals how little people are aware of mental retardation in the general population. Chris doesn't have a functional family father timeline. He doesn't have a cushy office job timeline. They were never on the table. That said, this probably really is his worst timeline... Apart from being dead.
After all the shit Bluespike did, I refuse, utterly refuse to believe none of the trolls knew what he did and at least fucking snitched to his parents. Because, seriously, there's no excuse.
This is probably the biggest issue I have with almost every comment I find on the internet about this situation, even those that are defending Chris.
Autism is a mental illness, and it varies in severity. People seem to believe that autism only describes a lack of social understanding, likely since it has been used as a derogatory insult thrown about freely to describe awkward kids who play Minecraft too much.
The reality is that autism can render a person almost totally without higher brain function. Even "high functioning autism" can very between very minor and very extreme. The fact is, Chris is much farther on the extreme than most people realize.
Many of his problems can be blamed on his parents, his environment, and his lack of proper treatment and support, but it must also be stated that his autism fundamentally alters his very understanding of life in ways that people don't really comprehend.
We're talking a complete disassociation with most of reality; an inability to comprehend basic aspects of the world around him, through no fault of his own. Even with medication, support, therapy, and without the internet holding him back, he'd likely never truly develop a true grasp of things like social boundaries, healthy relationships, the difference between fact and fiction, trust and lying, the list goes on.
One must understand that to Chris, his world and the world that exists in his mind, CWCville being a more tangible representation, are literally one in the same. There is no distinction between the two; he physically is incapable of differentiating them. This extends to most other things that exist only in his mind, such as his popularity online.
It cannot be overstated, Chris is not simply an awkward manchild, and implying that "any one of us could have been him" shows the severity of the misunderstanding of autism. None of us could be him, no matter how shitty our lives, because unless you similarly suffered from autism, you would be able to comprehend the awful reality of your life. Chris cannot, and his internal reality shapes how he reacts to the world around him, and as he fantasizes to escape, the fantasy becomes just as real.
The internet merely made things worse, but his autism, and his family's unwillingness to support it properly, did most of the damage; damage that is now likely permanent. There is really nothing else for Chris now, especially as his mother reaches the end of her life. Without them, and with the continued negative attention from the internet, it is unlikely Chris will be able to carry on with his current lifestyle. Perhaps that will be the push needed to bring him into a safer environment, but in the US particularly, it is unlikely (at his age) that he will receive any support from the government or his community.
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