I guess, in hindsight, what I meant is not so much that anyone who likes cartoons and video games could have spontaneously ended up like Chris, but that he could have been one of us. If his parents had sent him to special ed, if he sought out some form of therapy now, if anything had been different, he'd just be another average joe who happens to have high-functioning autism. There are tons of people who are functionally-autistic; Chris is actually reasonably intelligent and well-spoken, and it's clear that his autism isn't the thing that held him back and made him this way, so much as literally everything else in his life.
Part of the reason I think Chris-Chan mystifies so many people is because everyone has a different take on him. There's a gut-inclination to excuse his behavior because of his mental illness, but then that's implicitly lumping every well-adjusted autistic person in the same camp as a guy who drinks his own cum and tried to carve himself a vagina. Chris isn't just another person with autism, he's definitely an outlier due to the circumstances of his home life.
There are plenty of notable people with autism who don't use it as a Golden Ticket to live the way that Chris does, and I feel like that's where a lot of people's frustration and animosity for him come from; for every BlueSpike debacle where he's legitimately tricked and taken advantage of, there's an example of him essentially saying "I'm high-functioning autistic, now give me that please". That sense of entitlement was learned, not something he was saddled with as a result of his autism.
Except that autism predisposes him to reacting to his environment in a way that causes that sense of entitlement. Even so, it would be his parents' fault, not his, for his entitlement, raising him the way that they did. Autism affects people differently, especially when you factor in how severe the cases are individually. Some cases are minor enough that the individual might very well be adjusted, many cases result in individuals that can't even dress themselves, communicate, or control their bodily functions. Chris is not a minor case, at all, and even with support, he would likely not ever be as well adjusted as some with autism get to be.
While he may be able to speak well, you cannot assume someone's ability to function, or their potential to function in society, based on things like their vocabulary or ability to play video games. Intelligence isn't a 0 sum game, as there are some many ways to define whether someone has the potential to work through autism. Chris can speak well enough, can play video games, but struggles with things such as urinary/bowel continence, differentiating reality from fiction, understanding basic human functions. You cannot apply his ability to do certain tasks as to say he is "a less severe case or autism" or to say his problems are purely environmental.
I don't know where I ever said Chris' life was in any way desirable?
And my point isn't that his autism ISN'T a contributing factor to why he is how he is. I'm in no way saying that his problems are PURELY environmental.
What I'm saying is that, if his circumstances were different, there's a chance that he could have developed differently, which is objectively true. Autism isn't a death sentence, especially for someone who, up until college, functioned about as well as someone with his condition could have been expected to. He went to school, he had friends, he even held a job for a short while.
Compare that to his life now, where the vast majority of his income comes from begging on Twitter. He's been arrested for assault. He literally almost died of self-inflicted wounds. Chris could never be "cured" of his autism, but I think that, had he received the proper attention early on, we wouldn't be hearing about him macing people in public and stabbing himself in the grundle. He might never have had a chance to be a truly independent member of society, but the degree of suffering he experiences on a daily basis would be significantly less. He'd be a (comparatively) regular human instead of the real-life equivalent of the Truman Show.
And I'd argue that, while his condition definitely explains his behavior, it definitely doesn't excuse it (at least, not all of it); the trolls definitely took things too far, but that doesn't mean that Chris was in any way in the right when he was drawing porn of Megan (and then justifying it by saying "well if I didn't work through my frustrations like this I might have just raped you") or harassing people at The Game Place. Call it insensitive, but there is a point where disability stops factoring into a situation; the solution obviously isn't to do the kind of shit that BlueSpike and pals did, but just saying "well he's got autism so you know" doesn't feel like the proper response either.
Since i dunno if its a good idea to post as a new thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijGuu_qq2ic
Chris is crazier than I thought. Jesus fuck.
Check 57:00 jesus christ
I first started learning about Christ when I first started coming to this forum. I can't believe it has been so long. It used to be funny but now it's just sad. [spoiler]I am talking about Chris I swear[/spoiler]
'Crazy' is a bit harsh considering he has severe autism.
Regarding the video, while it's pretty clear that Count Dankula is subtly taking the piss at least he is being civil to Chris, though it's a shame that the simple act of 'not being obviously aggressive' is one of the better treatments Chris has had.
https://i.imgur.com/Wwiwwt0.jpg
Ok now we're on a whole new level. Holy shit.
This has always been his level, we've just never had so many "civil" opportunities to get a full grasp of the severity of his autism. As I said in my previous post, his grasp of reality is so fundamentally skewed that to compare him to "just an awkward weirdo" is disingenuous at best, and malicious at worst.
Every time I start to hear about this Christ Chan person, and start to wonder "hmm, maybe I should look into this, sounds like there's a strange story behind this", I read a couple posts, and get the impression that every person involved with this is horrible, every thing happening with this is horrible, and the only thing to be gotten out of looking into this is disgust and depression.
This springs to mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4PTf7LgsIE
If people realized that Chris' autism was more akin to this than maybe we wouldn't be here.
This is how it is with all mental issues. Like I've got aspergers, and boy do I hate the "positive" stereotypes there are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDUWkuId_DU
New part, and even better,
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/245137/4c032c5c-2b2b-447b-88e2-473892f3fc87/image.png
Yeah, like, we still have nine YEARS of content
This is pretty much what i work with as a student job. Watching a person act like that the first time is really unsettling. My first few night shifts really made me re-evaluate my entire belief system. It's hard to explain how severely it changed my stance on institutional care for these kind of people. We have a working system and these people have a place to get the attention and help they need. People come home from 8 hour shifts and are totally mentally and physically worn down. It has the highest turnover rate i've ever seen in my life. Their "senior staff" comprises of people who've been there for 3 years and somehow haven't broken.
I take a shift here and there when they need me to come in to cover for someone else and they call more than i can handle. Two or 3 shifts and i'm absolutely done and in a headspace where i'm uncomfortable for days. That's 8 hours a few times a month. Now imagine being the woman in that video or his siblings. At no point does he act "naturally" there's no rationalizing with him and you never know what's going on in his head. Where i'm from, he'd be in an institution and they'd visit when he has good days. but i absolutely believe her when she says no one anywhere could take care of him in the American mental care system. Half of the professions that make up the sector over here don't even exist in America.
Developmental retardation and mental defects are no fucking joke and the worst cases are down right scary to behold up close. That feeling of unease and the total inability to communicate absolutely wears me down every damn time.
You must have the patience of a saint
I come home, get a day and a half of sleep, get up and go get my reddit account banned from a random handful of subreddits to get the frustration and apathy out of my system. I'm untrained in the sector. People who know more than me and have more experience are powerless to help these people half the time but at least their education has put them in a position to deal with it. All i can do is ask someone else about most things, which is both useless AND annoying when they're in the adjacent apartment trying to manage a person with downs who refuses to sleep and has smeared his entire flat in feces. Meanwhile our third partner is juggling a physically grown man with the communication and comprehension-level of a 9 month-old screaming his lungs out in the hallway in the middle of the night while ALSO trying to stop an old alchoholic developmentally stuck in the early teens from abandoning the premises to go harass people for beer and smokes... Meanwhile i'm there asking my questions while dodging a turdy diaper thrown by yet another non-communicative autist who was woken up by the screaming of the adult baby... But this is like 2% of the time and the worst scenario i've ever encountered.
This is what it looks like when you're understaffed and the architecture at the institution is unfit for its purpose. but it's still better for them and their families than what that poor lady in the video has to deal with. These people are trained to help these people manage to communicate, live and thrive. Meanwhile that poor lady is stuck in a permanent state of damage-control and catastrophe mitigation. These people care about this and know how to deal with individual people and their handicaps. Poor poor lady and shame on America.
Ivy had instructed Chris to truthfully represent his real-life penis. Hence, the penis seen in the comic, was produced by Chris pressing his own penis down onto the page and tracing around it. Making it disproportionately large compared to the rest of his characters body.
Holy shit.
It's honestly fucking weird to think about how his life is more documented than any other key historical figure such as Nikolai Tesla, Albert Einstein, and so on and forth, people who changed the world... and he's still alive too, so there are many, many more chapters to come.
I've watched hours of these videos and it still feels like the surface hasn't been touched yet.
Chris' voice when he thinks he's going to get what he wants might be one of the most horrific things I've ever heard.
Is it me or did part 10 get taken down?
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/111058/7ba79cc6-3e18-4818-ad86-8d0229761a42/image.png
Youtube's shitting itself again
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1922/d2979ed0-f067-44eb-a985-d8012617eea1/image.png
RIP
Youtube can choke on a fat one.
Hopefully he'll reupload every video somewhere else, and continue from there. Maybe he could use youtube just to announce that a new video is out and then link to idk, dailymotion or something like that.
i mean, at a light-speed glance, i could see a case for mockery or harassment, but taking 5 minutes with any part of the doc and you'll see that it's absolutely not. I feel like it could still go under review and be restored?
On the other hand, i can see how creepy it actually is to make a 12+ part documentary about a mentally challenged person. Wow, it's actually plenty creepy and possibly unintentionally a pretty shitty thing.
Although fascinating, making a documentary, even one that is semi-unbiased (but still seems to take the piss outta Chris occasionally), about a mentally ill person without their consent is pretty scummy all things considered. Ironically, by pointing out just how fucked up everything that happened to Chris was, making a documentary only brings more attention to Chris, and thus increases the chances for harassment.
In many ways, the documentary thus far even romanticizes some of the trolling, like some kind of "lighthearted fun past time full of history and tradition." Sure, they point out that Bluespike was awful, but all of the trolling was awful, even if Bluespike was definitely far above and beyond. Implying that some of the bullying was ever okay or justified is pretty much inspiring others to continue to trend and brings even more negative attention to Chris.
Even beyond just the harassment, as we said, Chris is severely mentally ill, beyond anything most people ever realized, and the documentary makes that even more clear. You would think, if the documentarian realized how one-sided all of this was, and how severe Chris' autism is, they would simply not make any more documentaries, because they'd realize they're only making it worse. The thing is, that doesn't matter. Even under the guise of "fascination," these documentaries still derive entertainment from Chris' misery.
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