I'm not gonna pay you for it or anything. You can do that if you want to.
But point I'm trying to make is that Garry pays more attention to individual threads as per this new change in general. Opinions will likely be more visible with their own threads.
If it wasn't for the fact that the new subforum threads still show up in the main subforums there wouldn't be nearly as much shit flying around over this. The new threads objectively shit all over the discussion of everything else, you can ignore everything outside of your subforum but everybody else has to put up with your threads anyway.
make threads, get noticed
Yeah I dunno, when I saw a megathread I at least knew I could expect an actual discussion on a subject from people that are involved in the thread and know what they're talking about, now I feel like there's a 50% chance it's just going to be newuser0106 who has nothing interesting to say, nor do I care to help him out. He might have posted in megathreads prior, but I at least had the luxury of skimming over it.
Keep in mind that moderators are trying to deal with the change just like the rest of you are, so sending us angry Discord messages will do pretty much nil.
Isn't this a discussion on the update though? Isn't this thread exactly what he wants? With one topic (the update and it's changes) on one thread? Sure if this was buried in forums discussion I might get his point, but this is literally exactly what he wants.
He's encouraged individual threads for feedback outside of Update threads before so I'm not sure tbh.
The worst part is, there's a good idea in here somewhere. Like when I first saw the Nintendo subforum I thought that was a good idea, because each new Nintendo game could get a thread in the Nintendo subsection, without needing to worry too much about being buried for being slow.
But it's just implemented so poorly. The subsections are too specific, so it's not going to facilitate games with slower threads, instead you have a bunch of bloat from larger games getting more and more niche topics and because all threads in a subforum are still displayed in the main game hub games with slower threads that were at the risk of being buried are now just guaranteed to be buried.
I can see the logic behind breaking up the larger megathreads into a subforum for more diversified topics, but they would need to be grouped. TF2 does have the potential for a number of threads. But when each thread still appears on the frontpage of GGD, it's to the detriment of any threads that weren't as active. If there was a single link in the GGD which lead to the TF2 subforum that could be helpful, but right now we have like 20 links to different subsections of the same subforum.
And I like the intention. But this implementation couldn't be further from accomplishing it. Like, I've genuinely discovered games in the past because I noticed their thread in General Games Discussion, but that isn't going to happen as things are now.
Its funny how often this needs to be repeated, he's said it himself many times.
Well Beardy made one at least.
Actual reasons as to why Subforum Threads being in Parent Forums..
Facepunch isn't big enough for this thinning out to work. We don't have the userbase of Reddit.
It's not the first time Garry's had an idea the community doesn't agree with though, and he usually yields to the negative feedback.
The design of a common forum like this just isn't made for the sort of rapid Reddit/imageboard threads he wants either. If you go to any forum, big threads in few sections are common.
I think it's becoming exceedingly obvious why it's like this. The forum layout becomes really cluttered with all this unnecessary spreading out. And yes, it's absolutely unnecessary.
this is a prime example of fixing something that's not broke.
Please direct disapproval for the update to my thread (in constructive manners) please
Master "What is happening here sucks Donkey Dick" thread ft. Her..
It's like Garry had a good idea, but couldn't be bothered actually planning it.
5 minutes of planning would have solved 85% of the problems and no one would have complained.
I completely agree. This is a cluster fuck to be honest. It's extremely difficult to navigate the forums, everything so so damn cluttered. The ratings list, the forums themselves, all of it. A bunch of clutter, from not being able to mark threads unread, to the sheer amount of threads. The forums feel extremely claustorphobic and cluttered. I liked Oldpunch because it wasn't cluttered, everything felt neat and organized. I like some of the new features of Newpunch, but frankly, it's a major step backwards.
Firstly is this new "no megathreads" and not-really subforum, subforms. It's pointless clutter. The unappealing emojis for thread icons are second, nothing pops out, and all of them blend together. On oldpunch I often used them to visually locate threads I frequented a lot, the different thread icons were different enough and varied enough for me to do so. Now it's just generic. Visually too, the site is a mess. Everything blends together because of how white it is. There's not enough differention between your own posts, other posts, threads, sidebars, and forums. They all blend together visually. On top of that is the awful text editing. There's no real control anymore, and the fact there's a character limit is stupid too.
Facepunch Awfully White
There's a dark version too. Literally all of your problems with the visuals can be changed.
i shouldn't have to mod a forum to make it usable.
but thank god you can do it.
oh boy I left for 3 hours and come back to a total mess. there's a fucking thread in GGD about far cry's shovel
I'm going to wake up to either garry changing his mind or a shitload of permabans
Considering this is people just shitposting to try and prove a point it's far more likely that you'll wake up to morons getting banned than Garry changing his mind because of them.
If the system can't handle people using it in a legitimate way, then perhaps the system isn't so great. The entire ordeal is a mess up and down.
I can't ping garry or hezzy because I'll get banned but please, please, please do not close the transgender issues thread as planned. It gets like 10 or less posts a day on average and closing it is just going to completely kill our small community here. It's literally not a megathread because it's not large or fast at all.
The system is perfectly fine. Not wanting to subscribe to threads you want to follow is a completely asinine idea to begin with. I don't understand how anyone could possibly think that's somehow superior to subscribing to them.
When you think about it though a lot of these threads would fit into a megathread. I could see someone posting about how cool that smiley face shovel is in the far cry thread, but now it's just in the far cry subforum. Discussing heavy's left eyebrow not so much
But yeah now that I can see this no-megathreads thing in action I don't think it's really benefiting the forums. The first page of GGD is full of random TF2, Dota, Half-life and Far Cry threads that don't interest me. Second page is full of Dota heros. Third page is full of TF2 classes. We're matching Something Awful thread bumpage with no central topic to subscribe to
Why would you subscribe to threads if threads are now only meant to be quick questions and short discussions? The forum's features feel at odds with each other.
Because a thread isn't going to die immediately unless it has absolutely no content to give? And plenty of threads are still going to be active and popular for a long time regardless. You guys seem to be approaching this from a completely black and white view where either threads die the second they're posted or everything is a megathread. It's a rather knee-jerky reaction which ignores any nuance whatsoever.
I'm sorry but I'm not quite sure what you even mean - I was pointing out the "spam" of threads in GGD, and referring to the system which allowed it to happen. I'm not sure how subscribing or not subscribing to a thread has much of an impact on that. Unless you mean just subscribing to a whole bunch of little threads and sift through them instead of just going to one megathread for it?
Regrettably, it will still probably close. One aspect of killing off megathreads is to kill the communities they foster within.
Will WAYT be closed? I can't wait to make a new thread every time I want to shitpost something like "i woke up as i farted;;;;;"
The current spam is primarily a couple of idiots trying to prove a point in a completely counterproductive way spurred by Hezzy not completely grasping the idea when he okayed it or something. Once that dies down things aren't going to be so bad. As for the subscribing to a bunch of smaller threads thing, that's actually totally doable with the ability to get notifications for new threads made in a subforum. So, for example, if you want updates on TF2 then you could easily subscribe to the TF2 subforum and from there you can choose to participate in and/or subscribe to the specific threads that interest you.
Playing the apathetic "wait it out" approach to a system that is functionally broken does not work.
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