I agree that most of the spam today will die down, but it will still remain cluttered and disorganized like this.
Also, I think having to go through numerous smaller threads is needless time consumption, when everything could neatly be in a megathread. I didn't realize so many people found it either a struggle or a chore to go through the recent posts and catch up on the discussion. Instead, I think its much more of a bother and clutter overall to have to subscribe to a dozen or more topics of interest when instead you could simply join a greater discussion which is occurring in a megathread. You can still subscribe to it, and honestly I don't even see the subscription system as really even entering in on the many threads vs megathread debate too much.
I think the whole subforum-but-not-really thing is awful.
If you go into GGD instead of say, the TF2 subforum, that's because you want to see the threads in GGD and not the TF2 threads.
Now where you would normally have a list of threads for all kinds of different games, you just have this:
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/107253/43c587a4-4dc5-4e56-a528-b7a07f70ec23/image.png
Now in that single image there's 8 thread spots that are taken up by a subject you don't care about (only counting TF2).
Really, if you wanted to see TF2 threads why not just go to the TF2 subforum?
Er, what's apathetic about what I said?
And completely reverting the changes is counterproductive as well. Garry's basic idea can work. His first attempt at it was just imperfect, that's all.
While I have no issue in general with megathreads I can also see the other side of the argument as well. There have been plenty of times where a big megathread got filled with pages of discussion regarding specific topics I couldn't have cared less about while the things I did care about got lost between all that. Having the megathread split into a subforum where I get notified of new threads could have really helped in those cases because then I could have simply dismissed the notifications for the subjects I didn't care about while not missing the stuff I was interested in.
Pretty much your entire stance on the matter? The whole "wait it out it'll get better once the spam goes away" which in reality even when it does go away it'll still be an unorganized mess that I'll have to sift through to find what I want again.
You apparently haven't read my posts very thoroughly then because I've been anything but apathetic. Disagreeing with you is not a matter of apathy. I simply disagree it's the issue you guys are making it out to be and have repeatedly given my reasoning why that is.
Which is why discussions that have their megathreads broken up should get a subforum (and those not active enough to get their own subforum shouldn't be broken up to begin with) and people who were following those threads should subscribe to notifications for said subforum.
The subforums I use aren't really affected by the megathread purge so I guess I have a different perspective to a lot of people right now.
I've never liked megathreads, I mostly avoid certain forums like GD and GGD because it's just a load of megathreads. Just feels like stepping into a Discord half way through a discussion to me, and I agree with the idea that they don't really fit what a forum is supposed to be.
On the other hand I can see they are useful in some cases and i think it's going to be weird and difficult trying to force a change of culture like that through moderation. For one thing, I think it's clear that filtering or some sort of organisational system is needed if this new system is gonna work. Like, if you want to post a thread about a game that doesn't have a sub, aren't you basically fucked at the moment? I understand and agree that threads =/= clutter but that shit will get buried and missed, surely?
I guess TLDR I didn't like the old system, but I think the new system has a lot of flaws right now. Maybe megathreads should stay in some form, but how you draw a boundary around which megathreads are/aren't okay I have no idea
The Nintendo thread I think is a good idea of when a Megathread should fragment and break off into other threads, and an example of a Megathread that could benefit from being it's own subforum. When people in the Nintendo thread got tired of people talking about mobile games all the time, a Nintendo Mobile general was made. When people got tired of all the Smash talk after the Smash Switch reveal, the Smash Bros. thread was revived. Nintendo is a broad enough topic that you could reasonably make a subforum that covers pretty wide variety of topics -- not everyone who wants to talk about Zelda is gonna want to talk about Metroid is gonna wanna talk about Fire Emblem, etc...
However, not all threads are big enough to warrant this kind of change, and putting a blanket ban on all general discussion threads feels incredibly silly. How is exactly having threads for each TF2 class or each Dota hero better than the old system? Why can't they co-exist? Here's a thought for an interesting middleground: let the megathreads stay whilst not discouraging or punishing people for making other, smaller specific threads. Let something like the TF2 Emporium to continue to exist, but then also let specific creators create their own threads for their works. Does Newpunch have any sort of fancy shit for embedding a link to another thread? Maybe when you link another thread have it show part of the OP so people can easily be directed towards other threads when the conversation reaches a point where it needs to branch off into it's own thing.
I'd rather just have subforums with megathreads in them, that way the megathread will be come the concentrated thread, thus branching off with megathreads that are truly massive and all-encompassing.
The problem is though, this simply wasn't needed, nothing merits this change nor this solution since this was never neccesary, and I stand my ground firm.
Aight so I understand the reasoning behind these changes and I can see how some parts of it can be good for the forum but good lord the way its implemented now is terrible.
Especially GGD is a prime example of a fucking mess right now, threads to talk about games that are niche enough not to have their own sub (around 95% of the games) are just buried under piles of short question threads from the subforums and as a result GGD has become borderline unusable.
At the very least please give people a option to hide threads from certain tags in the main sections, or in the case of GGD allow a subforum for non-specific/ other threads.
At this point I need to sift through 5 pages of threads titles in GGD to find a discussion I only read a day ago and it just feels like a chore, and I imagine it will only get worse once the subforums are more actively used
I mentioned this in another thread, but I'll give the condensed version.
GGD. I want to find a somewhat obscure game, say, The Surge. Something that plenty of people rightfully shit on, but I happened to enjoy.
First thing I would do is go to the megathread, post something relevant and wait for it to spring to life like a corpse.
Except we don't have megathreads, so that's out of the question. My only option is to ask something inane like "How much does the Kinasthetic Amplifier help?" by making a new thread. I make a new thread, there's just one massive, massive problem.
Because I can't filter out the child boards and neither can anyone on planet Earth right now, my question has just been buried under a clusterfuck of redundant threads that were previously fully contained as individual posts, like trying to carry on a conversation in a crowded airplane with everyone talking while screaming children occasionally run down the aisle, screeching directly into your eardrums in a perfectly coordinated acoustic weapon squad.
TL:DR: We're turning into Reddit, with megathreads gone, individual questions for threads being the new thing. Except we're a shitty version of Reddit, because we can't even go to r/Titanfall to try and keep the oncoming tidal wave of shitposts at least somewhat related to a specific topic at hand.
It'd probably be best if the root subforum for a group of subforums were moved to its own subforum and then the root subforum only reflects the threads in its subforums.
I'd say it's more akin to /v/ at this rate. I really hope the mods decide to return to OldPunch standards of moderation and purge all the shitposting going on in GGD and GD. These were 2 of the last 3 sections I browsed on Facepunch and seeing them turned into Fast Threads-esque shitholes is saddening.
Y'all are acting like threads will be smothered by other threads before a discussion even develops, yet there are threads on the front page of GDD that are more than 5 hours old even with the constant shitpost threads being spammed.
/v/ is a much more functioning system than Facepunch right now, because at least it's designed around the concept of a million irrelevant threads instead of awkwardly retrofitting it onto a conventional forum system.
This is like if /vg/ and /v/ were one board with a quarter of the total number of threads allowed at one time.
That's because it's like dead middle of the night US time....non-peak hours? 5 hours ago here = 10:00 PM at night. The problem will stir back up again once people start waking up and getting back on.
Hey, not everybody on the Titanic drowned.
Judging by the rate GGD is moving even with the spam threads, your question would be on the front page for at least 5 hours before it got buried. You're overestimating how fast facepunch moves.
Yeah it definitely doesn't bode well that GGD and GD are a huge mess to navigate right now and that's during the graveyard shift. I don't see things going well in a few hours
I'm not sure where you're getting this from. The "oldest" thread, which I assume you mean the one with the last reply date is currently 2 hours, which is the Fallout megathread. Second page, the oldest threads are three hours.
Seems to me like it's moving pretty fuckin' quick to me, and the only reason it isn't Going Plaid right now is because it's 4:30 in the morning in this part of the U.S.
2 hours is still a long ass time compared to "instantly buried".
Is this idiot cull 2k18?
For dead-ass middle of the night (remember, 3:00 AM here) for a huge chunk of Facepunch's users? On a week day no less?
No, that's actually extremely quick.
It may be non-peak hours, but there are also people spamming shitpost threads like "which csgo pro player would you fuck" just to spite the changes.
Yes, now imagine that but amplified because you'll have even more shitposters waking up and going to town on the forums.
You can see where the problem with this lies.
Everything is amazing and nobody is happy 👀
Tomorrow the mods will actually know what to do, though. Garry kind of just made the change, told everybody they're fucked, and went to sleep.
Why are you complaining about these threads? According to you they'll sink so why bother bringing it up.
Reading comprehension for 500, alex.
I talking about how long threads last on the front page considering the spam threads.
That's already how it is. Had I not subscribed to some of the GGD threads I browse the most frequently I would have completely lost track of them.
i dont like this, please revert it to the way it was before
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