HOW.... CAN YOU KILL.... PORKERS AND HOGGS?
SIMPLE
JUST GET A HELICOPTER
is it okay to mow down paul ryan with a minigun?
There's a reason feral hogs aren't treated very well.
They decimate crops everywhere they go, and breed faster than you can believe.
Fuck the War on Drugs. Let's get a War on Feral Pigs going on. Let's just hope it goes better than the Emu War....
Damn, the pilot has that down
It's stupid, it's like going into a barn with a assault rifle hunting for rats.
no it isn't at all
If it was in any way more efficient than any other sort of hog-hunting, it'd be okay. That's clearly not the case, though. The pigs here were caught and put in a pen, then let back out to be put down in an absurd way for amusement. That's what makes this not-okay, not the weapon of choice. Had the pigs been let out of a pen and shot with a bolt-action .30-06 like Grandpa would have done it, it would still have not been okay. Put 'em down in the pen or put 'em down in the wild, don't release them from a pen to put them down.
Bonus-problem: Any pigs that manage to escape 4000 rounds per minute are now a problem out in the wild again.
Minigun is very unnecessary. However these pigs have no natural predators and I don't think I have to repeat anything that hasn't been said.
Interesting that people actually think being "involved" with something gives them the clearest view on the topic. Ever heard of bias?
Only if we're talking about the giant rats from The Princess Bride.
Interesting that people who don't know a god damn thing think they know more than people who deal with these animals.
Youre becoming a poster boy for the dunning kreuger effect
In what way do I imply my cognitive superiority by simply expressing my opinions?
By basically stating that by having experience with them, anyone would be too biased to have a rational point of view
Can you tell me what you know about feral hogs?
I know a bit, not a lot, but enough to know they're dangerous, they're destructive, and they're a genuine pest problem. They have litters of anywhere from 8-15 babies, up to 4 times a year. They're highly adaptable, eat everything, and are costing billions, literally, in crop damage.
Can you tell me what YOU know
I was just saying that personal experience means jack shit and should never be brought up to strengthen your argument, argue with reason and logic not anecdotes fueled by emotions. Are you not a more potent example of dunning krueger, being the one who presumed you had the insight to even call upon that concept?
Someone has clearly never gone hunting for prarie dogs before with AR15s in .308
Let me tell ya' it's a bit of psychotic fun.
Personal experience doesn't mean jack shit, otherwise if you were actually posting that as a serious point of view you held, you would be unable to argue from anything from your personal perspective.
I argued with you, with logic and reason. You have not done that yet. I said, and I quote;
"they're dangerous, they're destructive, and they're a genuine pest
problem. They have litters of anywhere from 8-15 babies, up to 4 times a
year. They're highly adaptable, eat everything, and are costing
billions, literally, in crop damage."
You have said nothing of value, except to degrade someone who's personal experience is a valid guide for their own point of view.
I genuinely don't think you even know the point you're trying to make here is, if it's that personal experience is an utterly worthless indicator, then that's a bad point to make. If it's that speaking from reason and logic is more valuable, than shouldn't you have been discussing the issue with those degrees of knowledge, rather than trying to shit on someone for their first hand experience and knowledge as a way to raise your own ignorance above their experience?
If your personal experience means anything then you can easily extract logical and reasonable arguments out of it to apply in general.
To me, especially seeing a video of people laughing while killing pigs, it seems that people are willing to lose all empathy for things that "hurt their feelings" and this isn't the only thread where this tendency has been apparent.
We must control these pigs, but we should not revel in the pain we must cause. We should look for alternatives, and never should we have "good psychotic fun" or laugh while ending their lives.I guess everyone is able to have their own personal beliefs on the topic, but for society we should be looking for reasonable and logical ways forward, not just some people's personal experiences that, since we're only animals, tend to cloud people's judgement rather than give them the most clear picture.
Anecdotes are bullshit for many things, but they and personal experience is important insight into an argument. Throwing it out the window is idiotic because anecdotes can create a unique perspective on a topic that other people wouldn't have otherwise.
Are we also going to ignore professional experience too while we're at it? After all, it means jack shit, argue with reason and logic, not real world experiences and deep understanding of the subject at hand.
I'm not defending rounding them up and putting them in a pen to kill them as demonstrated in the OP, and I highly doubt the person you quoted originally was either.
Personal experience isn't an indicator of a valid opinion or not, but personal experience shouldn't be written off as you have done here. These feral animals need to be hunted with a very serious degree of efficiency. They breed monstrous packs very quickly, they destroy all forms of roughage, shrubbery, or crop, they destroy the ecosystems they are introduced into, they have no natural predators and they happily kill things for fun. They're vicious and brutal animals completely uncomparable to regular farm pigs.
These boars and pigs aren't "Hurting peoples feelings". They're causing billions of dollars in crop damage.
I've already stated that clearly for you. You ignored that, and just went with "Feelings were hurt". How about you read before you respond?
You're going to kill them, may as well have fun doing it
What is the alternative that you propose? Do you even have a single one?
It doesn't stop at just crop damage. We're talking ecological damage on a mass scale. The true impact of the growing feral pig population has not yet been fully measured.
Who cares if they're laughing while they're doing it? There's not enough water in the world for them to shed a tear for every feral pig that needs to be culled, if you get hung up on bad feelings you won't be able to get the job done.
You are terribly naive, lamb.
boar are invasive as hell:
http://www.csp-inc.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/journal.pone_.0133771.g001.png
they are spreading like wildfire and fucking up every living being's life in their way. Not too long ago, and entire island off of Savannah was taken over by boar and was destroying everything there, so they were literally bringing boatloads of hunters/shooters to kill any on site.
Fences? Predatory species introduction? Ultimately the hogs are doing nothing out of the ordinary, it is us that disrupts ecosystems.
if a hog can tear down a tree or two, what kind of fence can you put in to stop them bar a concrete wall. That's the entire issue with them, they charge right through electric fences and tear up farmland and kill cattle. Introducing something to kill the hog is going to be difficult without upsetting the other balances at play. A prime example is the cane toad to australia, it was introduced, failed to actually cause an effect with the reason it was introduced, and became overpopulated and killed the native reptiles in the region.
Dog from what little I know about wild boar, the only way you'd be able to give these things a predator with a fighting chance would be to release fucking tigers into the wild.
It’s like you cannot admit you’re wrong on this.
You are wrong.
Wrong about...what? Because I never said we shouldn't be trying to directly cull them, though, it is clear that culling them isn't actually working since they're more a problem than ever despite constant attempts at killing them. My argument is that we shouldn't be focused on "killing them all", especially not based on personal experiences, as much as we should on trying to fix the issues they cause us, which can be done by fencing, introducing bears and wolves, as well as, indeed, shooting a bunch of them. We need to think about ways we can apply our incredible knowledge of ecosystems to control their populations instead of just throwing bullets at an issue that we caused and hoping it goes away.
Wrong entirely. Culling them is working, but they breed at astronomical rates.
Wild pigs are not native to North America. Wolves, and Bears are not their natural predators. We already have issues with wolves, and bears, and to introduce them further to areas like Texas(Guess what, Bears and Wolves don't really like the heat in Texas) is not going to work as a solution.
They cannot be fenced in. They can rip up full grown trees, they cannot be fenced in. So you're okay with shooting them all of a sudden? What percentage are you okay with having shot at?
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