Cooliest/Uglest Weapons v10 - FAL Pride World Wide - General

I refuse to believe such blasphemy in front of the mighty staple gun! https://78.media.tumblr.com/288c487028fc3e1d266baff14e593d83/tumblr_ona47iJrva1s57vgxo2_1280.jpg

The L85A1 may be one of the worst guns in history but I really dig its aesthetics. Especially the olive green http://www.military-today.com/firearms/l85a1.jpg Also carry handles are hot

In all honesty it just gets the spotlight for it, while other first-gen guns stand in the shadow. I mean, the M16 had a much, much worse start. There's countless stories of US soldiers in Vietnam being found back next to disassembled and jammed M16's. Both guns suffered massively from lack of proper cleaning instructions.

Slight difference: the M16's problem was the cartridge, the L85's was the gun itself. M16s in Vietnam were issued with a different load of 5.56 than they'd been tested with, causing the action to gum up. L85s had major QC and design flaws resulting in parts being too thin and warping, improperly hardened and cracking, etc.

For comparison: a list of dos and don'ts for the M16 and L85a1 M16 Use high quality ammo to reduce fouling Keep said ammo clean and sealed when not in the gun Don't try to clean it without knowing how. Some parts need to be greased, some need to be clean and dry, some parts shouldn't be disassembled at all. L85 Don't grip the magazine too tight or it will warp and feed incorrectly Don't grip the receiver too tight or it will warp and cycle incorrectly Don't fire repeatedly or the firing pin will snap because the firing pin channels are bored poorly Don't shake the gun or the magazine will fall out, and the magazine catch might break with it Don't expose it to chills or heat (like the heat built up from automatic fire) or the plastic will crack Only fire with an empty magazine inserted because unless the bolt locks open after firing the weak ejector will stovepipe jam Actually just don't feed from a magazine at all because the bolt lugs scrape on the cartridges in the magazine and fill the receiver with brass shards that jam working parts You probably just shouldn't let the gun cycle automatically on its own anyway since the springs weren't all the right tensions and the bolt carrier could drag on the receiver. Better yet just don't fire the gun at all because there was a sizeable run of bolts that were made of inferior steel and sheered in half when used BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL with the scope because it weighs 2 pounds and is tritium illuminated and the tube can be ejected. If that tube breaks then protocol requires a full radiation lockdown and cleanup

the guns from the UC Gundam shows are pretty good: https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1750/6127b6ac-3191-4785-9626-24aa5c1c2a50/image.png https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1750/4c409bb4-37e7-4751-a5cd-192523e0fed7/image.png https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1750/8c78fcdb-b917-4a77-89b8-5bb14ec76c37/image.png https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1750/ddd45c48-3af1-4fe1-9878-25931ed6bd83/image.png

I've never heard of using grease. Just wipe it out with some CLP, put a little extra on the mechanical-wear surfaces and you're good to go. Disassembly is simple once you know how, the only part that would really give someone without experience trouble is the bolt carrier group. Even that's pretty easy once you're familiar with it, just as long as you're careful not to lose the firing-pin retention-pin. Double for the extractor pin, that thing is fucking tiny.

I tend to just use the word "grease" as a general term for lubricant, something I picked up from my father, not sure if it's a regional dialect or him just being weird like that. Army cleaning instructions as far back as 68 have specifically said that there's some parts of the gun that need lubrication. They also specifically recommended against disassembling the trigger group back then http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/M16%20comic%20book/008.jpg Of course this was back in the days before self contained trigger packs (far as I can tell those originated in the Taiwanese Type 86 AR).

Grease to me implies a thick, gelatinous substance that doesn't evaporate. Probably just a dialect thing. You're right about the trigger pack though. I know a guy who accidentally pulled the pins out while on a range, the unit armorer nearly kicked his ass. Some things really haven't changed since Vietnam.

The funniest flaw is that the mag release is exposed

A big source of problems with the L85 is that it just wasn't made by gun engineers. So many of the designers had no experience with firearms and didn't even think to consider issues like exposed controls or brass shavings getting on the bolt just because they were working outside of their field, and were being ordered to use specific materials by the budget guys who themselves were also not familiar with gun design.

it probably didn't help the thing was a scam to begin with because margret thatcher was trying to privatize everything and needed to give Enfield a huge defense contract to attract buyers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQOlQs9OZ4A

I both love and hate the MP7, it just looks so... funky for some reason. Like something is off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FRhK-KuUy8

ABU HAJAAAR WE WILL NEVER FORGET YOU!

HK was trying to make a relatively simple tactical SMG. Fully modern controls, a high velocity cartridge, and a gas action. FN meanwhile decided they were going balls to the wall and making the most futuristic gun possible. You can even see that in the prototypes, the MP7 was straight forward from day one, meanwhile the original concept for the P90 was this https://78.media.tumblr.com/aa77b68d28c3b5db5ea154988c4cce18/tumblr_ona47iJrva1s57vgxo1_1280.jpg You can see they've already decided on top feeding, bottom ejecting, but currently this is accomplished by being essentially a bullpup conversion of the Margolin inverted pistol. From there they went to the staple gun that introduced the funky magazine and tried to shake up the ergonomics by having no stock. https://fnamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2003/09/FN_P90_Rotators_f-1200x600.png And of course the final product ended up being one of the most unique guns ever made. I feel like the MP7 may have been HK playing it safe after their previous experimental guns, the G11 and HK36 both ended up being extremely costly failures.

And in the case of being overrun he could just aim it at the ground and let the recoil take him home.

The P90 is just so damn cool because it has both good looks (dem curves), good ergonomics, full ambidexterity and the 5.7x28mm cartridge and penetrator are just superb for a PDW system. Plus, who doesn't want 50 rounds a mag?

So lets appreciate the P90. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejkHVAgzQ7U

yes but the MP7 didn't make the basic requirements and then H&K bitched to the german government to do something

Also, isn't the MP7 a nightmare to disassemble and clean? That sounds like more of a step backwards to me than an advance.

its oddly not a roller delayed action, clearly that's the entire problem with the gun as no roller delayed MPx has ever had a problem

The MP7's action is essentially a scaled down AR18 gas piston with an AR15 type charging handle. HK's argument was that a high velocity armor piercing cartridge couldn't be properly managed in a blowback action, at least not in the weight and size they wanted, to which FN said "hold my absinthe" and made the P90 completely straight blowback while also having better ballistics, albeit weighing two pounds more.

All this talk of PDWs going on for so long makes me worried, since nobody's barged in to yell about that Swedish meme-uzi yet. A storm's a'coming.

That's cause nobody cares about the cbwhatever when there's the infinitely cooler Swedish K (Someone post pics I'm on mobile)

Clearly the best PDW is a suppressed Sterling with a grenade launcher https://orig00.deviantart.net/5c56/f/2014/138/9/5/hence_another_sasr_vietnam_image__by_azinchenko1996-d7iwi33.jpg

That's because it's not a PDW It's so much more than a PDW

It's an anti-tank gun for the modern age.

Fine, I'll do it: http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/cbj/cbj_lmg901.jpg The Saab CBJ-MS was pitched to the Swedish military in summer of 2000 as a combination SMG, PDW, assault rifle, and light machine gun, with armor penetration capabilities they claimed could go through MT-LB armored personnel carriers. http://www.cbjtech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Armor-and-MTLB.jpg They claimed to accomplish this by having what's essentially a tacticooled Uzi fitted with a hybrid stick/helix magazine, and a special 6.5x25mm cartridge. The name 6.5x25mm is actually deceptive, because the bullet itself is actually only 4mm in diameter, and its solid tungsten, the additional 2.5mm comes in the form of a plastic sabot that's discarded after leaving the barrel. http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/cbj/65x25cbj_9para_600.jpg Also the gun itself is the obligatory Swedish green that every Swedish gun after the Ljungman has been.