Imagine believing a movement to restore ethics in games journalism is at all political.
I've got the feeling that outside Facepunch, pro-gamergate really was a misogynistic alt-right movement, with people like this fuckstick setting the tone.
I know that people here had mostly pure intentions -- and so did probably a lot of people on the anti side elsewhere.
But those who were pulling the strings were either right wing extremists or professional victims, manipulating people to make them hate each other. What a mess.
Bad people latched onto a moment. Same thing happened to occupy and BLM. It only works if you let them change your opinion of the original movement.
GG was very much good intentions good people, and then as soon as the 'journalists' began to hitch wagons and paint GG as some reactionary pro-red pill far right group, the actual red pill far right assholes started showing up and shouting down all the moderate and left leaning people.
A far right element was unavoidable given how much of gamergate was gathered in places like Reddit and 4chan. Anti-SJWs were incentivized to watch their tongue around gamergate in the beginning because that's when the most people were around specifically because of the corruption scandals. Those people were usually the first to leave, though, as scandals like the "Gamers are over" narrative and the Gamejournopros list don't have the same kind of staying power as gossip about Zoe Quinn and conspiracy theories about the mainstream media, and didn't happen frequently enough to keep things going through the rest of 2014. This coupled with increasingly low morale starved out a lot of what was keeping the anti-SJWs restrained, and around
November you start to see this shift in focus towards fighting a culture war against social justice.
faggots get out of my internet reeeeeeee
Holy shit, thats the guy who got kicked off the mod team.
He got so mad about being let go, that he rage made a SCP.
GamerGate, even on 8chan, was fairly benign. The problem was that the entire movement was doomed the instant /pol/ noticed it was a big thing. It doesn't matter how good most of your members are, /pol/ is going to scream and screech and bring everybody to their level, while also recruiting vulnerable people all the while.
Also, this may be hard to remember because the words "Social Justice Warrior" have lost all meaning, but it didn't help that the most prominent Anti-GG figures were the literal embodiment of the term. They were used as an example and their cultural importance overblown to the point what was arguably an existing group of idiots became an invincible and pervasive boogeyman.
i kinda like metokur and I brush off the shit he says but he does get carried away with his /pol/ness sometimes
i swear to god no one knows what hyperbole is anymore
Guess what? I've been around and active in the SCP community since near the start of its inception. There have always been bad SCPs, shocker, I know. But there have ALWAYS been SCPs that get through the voting one way or another that have been awful, nigh fucking terrible. There hasn't been some grand stupid fucking change. SCP isnt getting le corrupted be dem essjaydoubaus, SCP is a community, a community isn't a hivemind. Need I remind you of The Ultimate Furry, Abel? Hell, in my book, SCP-682 is a fucking TERRIBLE SCP, and yet, it's one of the most iconic and prolific ones on the site. There have always been bad SCPs.
This asshole who hasn't even been active in the community has no right to swoosh on in and say that it's being corrupted. I think that new series has a lot of misses, but that's always happened whenever a new series has been introduced. This guy doesn't care about SCP in the slightest, he's using the introduction of LGBT themes to the site as a scapegoat in order to spark inner strife like with the reddit nonsense, under the guise of 'criticism' and he's succeeding.
Also, I like SCP-2721, shoot me.
lmao these bad people were the face of the movement for a long fucking time. I still strongly remember KoPs streams being ~the place to be~ before he made an even bigger ass of himself if you wanted all the spicy new Quinn gossip. People were unironically sharing KoP and IA shit in the threads here for fucks sake. And lets not even talk about Milo holy shit.
They had the existing fanbases and platforms to really easily take over the image of GG. And otherwise unorganized and supposedly leaderless movement.
Mekotur stuff should just be ban on sight, dudes a straight up white supremacist and we don't need any more of this shit being shared on the forum. It just legitimises their god awful world views.
djkaktus has posted a response
https://www.reddit.com/r/SCP/comments/8scb4m/to_settle_all_matters_of_the_sub/
You cant just say a bunch of really dumb stuff then go "lol it was just hyperbole". If you know you're wrong just say so.
Speaking of, I rewatched that video I mentioned in a previous post and I was indeed incorrect about what he said. Still doesnt make this dude a good person. He's clearly anti-lgbt and an all around asshole, but thats already been established by others in this thread, so.
exclusive footage of FurrehFaux in action
https://i.imgur.com/n8umjWj.png
I dont get it
i was referring to jim using hyperbole
I feel like the logo is awful from a purely artistic perspective, it kinda just ruins the theme of SCP for me.
Looks like he deleted the post. Does anyone have an archive or screencap of it?
Was able to find it thanks to removeddit:
Let me preface this by saying none of what you're about to hear is coming from the moderators. This is just djkaktus, I swear.
I'm sorry for how this all ended up. Honestly, and either believe me
or don't, but I really did mean well by all of that. Yes, I said some
things in an unprofessional manner. Yes, I got needlessly hostile and
snarky with people who had legitimate complaints about how I was
responding to all of this. I'll admit, once I start seeing some of the
shittier responses I really do have a tendency to fly off the handle.
Partly because I enjoy the banter, partly because I wanted to defend my
position. The end result doesn't change much.
I don't think everyone who wasn't in agreement with changing the site logo in June is some sort of bigot. I know
some of you are, but my error was acting summarily on that knowledge
and painting with too wide a brush. It was unfair to people with
legitimate gripes, and I'm sorry. I didn't mean to discredit you, I just
couldn't see you through the thick forest of garbage I'd gathered
around myself.
When I was a mod, my only goals were to work towards the promotion of
quality content in this community, create an atmosphere where newbros
didn't need to feel so overwhelmed (like the mainsite can get from time
to time), and manage the more toxic elements of the greater user base.
While trying to carry out those goals, I didn't see how I was driving
those toxic elements further towards legitimacy, and becoming as such
myself. Sucks to realize in hindsight, but whaddya gonna do.
I still believe that there's nothing wrong with trying to create a
more inclusive community, one that prides itself on righting past wrongs
and creating an atmosphere where you can participate in open and
friendly discussion about the wiki without having to worry about
somebody marginalizing you for what you are. This was never about
politics, or about some sort of agenda. I honestly and truly just wanted
to do right by my friends, and the people who the community has been
remarkably shitty to in the past. I won't apologize for my intentions,
but I will apologize for my execution.
There are going to be plenty of you for whom this won't ring honest,
or who are going to be angry at me either way. Plenty of you will have
all sorts of things to say about me, and that's fine. You're not wrong
for being angry. I won't ask you to forgive me.
I stepped down from being a mod because I thought it might make some
of you happy and things might go back to normal around here, but I
didn't want to. I have enjoyed working within this community and will
continue to do so, though several of the moderators have made their
feelings about my inclusion on that team obvious enough. Without that
option, I'll still be posting things, and answering questions about
newbro shit, and waxing poetic about the good ole days.
And if you're a YouTube who has decided you have a very specific
grudge against me, someone you've never met before, hit me up. Maybe we
can collab on something sometime - the upvotes are fresh this time of year.
That's all.
The formatting sucks but there you go.
I honestly don't know what to say about this, other than that it's a pretty good demonstration of burying your actual message underneath a ton of platitudes.
The majority of those people were using social justice as a tool to gain either money, notoriety, opportunities, or some combination of those things, and had little to no long-term investment in advancing the cause. The two really big exceptions were Anita Sarkeesian and Jonathan McIntosh, and I suspect that the latter was intentionally exaggerating his ideology to the point of
absurdity in order to get attention. When you start getting to the little guys like Arther Chu and MovieBob then yeah, I suppose it's fair to call them SJWs, but nobody was ever afraid of them.
The fact that people like Zoe Quinn, Brianna Wu, and Leigh Alexander were so thoroughly branded as SJWs was precisely the kind of thing that allowed the term to become so vague.
I mean, an actual disinterest for Social Justice is in itself one of the main characteristics of a true Social Justice Warrior and what makes them different from an actual activist. The whole point was always about the hypocrisy of these people, that they didn't really care about both videogames and women and were just playing politics to advance their own little crusades.
In a more general sense, a Social Justice Warrior is somebody so extremist about Social Justice (for whatever reason) that it loops around and it becomes actively hateful.
Gee dude, if it didn't start out as one then the redpillers sure found themselves in warmly welcoming company. Hilarious though, to blame other people for their unwillingness to police their own groups.
It's really difficult to self police a decentralized movement with no real leadership.
There's a reason Richard Spencer called the YouTube gamergate crowd a good gateway into the alt-right.
I don't really follow this guy, but from the couple of videos I've watched of him I feel he has a tendency to dish out truths that some people would rather not like to hear.
Rule number one is that anything that gets popular becomes shit. That's just how it is. Some people just need to feel important. When some people notice an audience and a stage, it's like they see a free attention dispenser. A "me too" attitude that drowns out good content with low quality garbage and shyte.
Secondly, nobody likes it when their hangout becomes overtly politicized in any direction. I can't spend any time on 4chan anymore without running into some openly ractist pepe posting MAGA shitlord. Other places it's the other way around and if you don't support the open left politicization of something that doesn't have anything at all to do with politics, you get called a homophobe or worse.
It's like there's no neutral ground anymore. Everywhere you go it's like people want to see a badge to know whether they should hate you or like you before they even talked to you.
Fuck this entire decade, tbqfh.
There were a lot of idiot anti-GGers too. Up until 2017, AntiGG was a million times worse because they would openly harrass, doxx and threaten people without even trying to police themselves. GG had people doing antiharrasement patrols up until 2016 because then Richard Specner/Milo/Brietbart decided to poison the well fairly thoroughly.
neat
The main trouble with GG's anti-harassment patrols is that there were so many GGers active and so many people either false-flagging or being general fuckholes, no amount of policing could have kept the message intact.
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