can you explain to me how that makes any sense? the desired effect is supposedly to make it easier for new people to get involved but the reality is that it simply makes any relevant information impossible to find, especially currently where hardly anything is indexed on google yet and all we've got is a barely functional search feature
I just don't understand why we can't let the forum do it's thing organically. why can't garry just go "ok here's the forum do what you do just try not to shit the place up too bad"
Or, and here's a revolutionary idea, create new tools and systems to encourage the types of behaviour he wants rather than banning or restricting the types he doesn't want.
You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
Garry created the subforums and the ability to show or hide them in the main forum, as well as the ability to subscribe to subforums. Great ideas, they all work well together.
On the other hand Garry is entirely disinterested in providing subforums people actually want, making incredibly specific subforums that no one posts in. This sucks because people can't find threads they would be able to find easily with proper organisation, and the empty subforums make the place look dead which discourages new people from joining and participating.
Garry created the ability to subscribe to threads. This is great as it makes keeping up with threads easier and allows you to browse the forums more quickly. Less time looking for stuff you're already interested in leaves more time to browse the forum.
On the other hand Garry limited threads to 1,000 posts, meaning subscriptions have a very limited lifespan and there's no way to know if there's a new version of a thread you were subscribed to, this also increases the number of threads made without increasing the amount of content.
Garry added the feedbot to post news articles. This is good because it means the news is brought directly to the forums and lets people keep up with happenings in the games industry.
On the other hand Garry refuses to give the feedbot its own subforum so it just posts everything into the main forum. This makes it difficult to find non-feed bot threads and also makes it difficult to keep track of feedbot threads due to the high volume of threads posted by the feed bot being mixed in with regular threads.
Maybe adding the ability to get a notification that a thread you are subscribed to is closed would be a helpful workaround for this, so that people can consciously know to update their subscriptions.
The clear intention is to have no active human users or moderators, and only spam bots posting in newsbot threads
I for one embrace our new robot overlords
This would have limited usefulness still in this new era of nobody wanting to bother making threads. The Factorio thread, for example, went like two days before I decided to make the new one. A better option, that I don't see actually getting implement honestly, would be to allow people to link threads. You link the thread you're creating to the old version and people who are subscribed to that thread will get a notification you made a new thread. Of course this has the potential for asshats abusing it by spamming threads linked to popular threads though.
Maybe we could just, some how seamlessly merge the start of the new thread, with page 34 of the old thread, and keep the same subscription
Thread OP given "thread auto-renew". On auto-lock a new thread generates on a user he/she chooses (they would have to accept it to work) would also transfers subscriptions
future tech
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Was this really necessary?
In fact, there aren’t really any rules.
this screams personal vendetta on the behalf of garry/hezzy rather than something that needs to be done.
I visit {{Meta}} every day and yet I'm out of loop on what the fuck is going on
Sorry if this has been asked previously.
My Alerts dialog is stuck since the end of May 2018, and both Chrome and Firefox have the same problem every time I try to click in the bell.
Badge and Mark All Read works, just the content list will never load.
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you're kinda right, yeah
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>"subjective shit" is not punishable
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>all the rules are subjective
this must mean none of the rules are punishable, right? so in effect there's no rules (:
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I'd like to suggest that just because you can (and do!) shit up the Meta forum multiple times a day, doesn't mean it's actually something you should do.
So people are just supposed to pretend that nothing actually went wrong until it subjectively becomes bad enough to speak up about? A mod was demoted for speaking their mind about the situation, proper channels or no proper channels, which seems to me to be excessive from my perspective as an outsider, never mind that the mod team supposedly have to present a united front. Nothing changes the fact that while people do appreciate that the rules are becoming more lax, it was not well planned out whatsoever, to the point where the mods knew nothing of it before it was actually rolled out. If that isn't a form of disconnect at the management level, I don't know what is. Nobody's blaming garry for the changes per se this time except for the excitable lot, most regular people aren't happy with how he rolled them out. In fact I think loosening some of the more strict stuff makes things healthier. A mod is a forum user first and a mod second, not the other way around, you don't become a mod without having some concern about how the community works and contributing your bit part in doing so on most of those forums.
Epic post my dude
No its ok, let him suck up to Hezzy, there are moderator openings now
I thought removing the rules was to stop mods randomly banning people for weird "gotcha" rule violations. So everything goes until you cross some invisible arbitrary line?
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Revolutionary idea: if you want to keep the rules lax still take more than 5 minutes to write a proper set of rules like every single forum in existence so both moderators and users are held accountable instead of this "there is no rules unless a moderator doesn't like you" clusterfuck
No, the posts are entirely as stupid as they appear. Aside from the punchline post, I made a conscious effort not to misrepresent ol' Rex.
People are actually trying to have conversations sometimes, between the complaints, but these "omg lul Fp ded. DAE think this forum sucks???"-tier posts just raise the noise floor, drown out conversations, and end up with a circle of crowd-pleasing This-Forum-Sucks posts for pages before the thread is locked or real thought temporarily resumes.
The callout won't work in getting them to stop doing it, that much is clear from their last 2 posts, but I did have some hope.
@IlluminatiRex : I read a lot of /r/playrust. In the Meta forum, you post just like them. (Wailing on FP for approval from the edgy peeps, someone does anything that could be construed as defending FP -> stop sucking/riding (insert FP member's name here)'s dick, and dumb shitposts. 3 for 3.)
Stop
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Everyone who disagrees is suddenly waiting on approval from edgy people now? It's not so much that everybody is shitting on FP for no reason, if you didn't notice that there's a disconnect when the mod team weren't aware of what happened until garry did his thing, I don't know how to help you here, which is most peoples' apparent concern, plus the fact that it wasn't properly ironed out before it was pushed forward. Hezzy's trying to sort that out, props to him on that account, but needing to sort that out in the first place isn't something that should have been on the table to start with.
Also I've mentioned this before, but when people panic, you're going to have reactions go overboard in every case. If somebody can point out a time and place where this hasn't happened when things have changed, I'll eat my words. I'm also going to repeat: the vocal minority don't represent the majority of the fp users.
if he didn't care about or have any interest in this place he wouldn't be expressing concerns and giving feedback
problem is feedback and criticism no matter how constructive get snubbed and blown off and the forums continually get harder and harder to use like actual forums - so we're getting frustrated and our posts are looking increasingly sharp
I've been here for 12 years, actively run one of our subcommunities and participate heavily in several others so it doesn't really make sense to act like I secretly want FP to crash and burn - I just want the site to function in a way that promotes actual growth
I've been here and used the forum for long enough that I have a good, natural idea of what works and what doesn't when it comes to forum structure and features. that's true for a lot of people here and even moreso for the mods that are being ignored, disrespected and removed for having and expressing their opinions on some of these counterproductive changes
you're just kissing ass for good boy points
Maybe I’m pointing out flaws in the current direction FP is being taken 😘
fp has been a great internet home for me, I’d really hate to see it die because of ridiculous changes to the forum’s culture. One of the things that kept me around was the rules, bans as warning. Memes were contained, it didn’t feel like anywhere else on the internet.
but with these recent changes it feels like we’re turning into every other place on the internet. Memes, shitposts, reaction images. The things I liked about the site are suddenly being taken away and there hasn’t been an adequate response to people’s concerns and confusion.
So sorry if pointing out some of the issues with these changes ruffles your feathers. It’s not as if I hate Newpunch either, there are things I like. It’s just really rough around the edges and I would appreciate if the community’s feedback was actually listened to instead of shut down and told to “deal with it”.
This whole shitposting thing is a response to the extremes in Polidicks. So why don't we, I don't know, still have a no shitposting rule (so we don't have actual shitposting), and then have moderators who can stay removed from a conflict and make a common sense judgement.
The Sgman/BDA saga was a perfect example of how it went wrong. Sgman was clearly being provocative and it warranted a moderator to step in and guide things back on track. Instead, we got a mod (BDA at the time) who went off instead of stepping in to correct the course of the discussion. It should have gone: SG posts his provocation, BDA (as a mod) simply says to get on track (supply sources/make rebuttals/etc), then BDA can make his personal points and arguments and have a debate with SG. Instead we got what we saw, and no one else stepped in except to deliver punishment to BDA.
It's like the same scenario we had with Tudd, except instead of one huge problem, we have like eight smaller problems all working at once. I'm not sure if I just have some divine gift, or if I am the crazy one, but it's pretty easy to spot the people who are doing drive-bys or just being inflammatory, whether it's on the left or right side of the spectrum. It needs to be addressed when it happens, and no, it's not squashing intellectual conversation or creating a hugbox when it is punished.
I kind of got on a tangent, but I felt the example highlights the issue with where we are pretty well.
Can I get a Facepunch "By the numbers"?
Meaning, compared to this time a year ago, how many posts/active users are we looking at in comparison? Is there a way to check legacy stats?
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I feel Newpunch is missing a lot of data from the old forums. I don't know what's really occuring on the forums as a whole due to no popular tag, I can't seem to find where I can go to see the new posts in the threads I was subscribed too ( and those threads close and open up new ones thanks to the post limit) and I don't know the status of why/who is banned since the ticker doesn't go that far back and we don't have a drop down menu of a user's ban history. I really do/did like these forums, but I find myself only checking out LMAOpics since it feels harder to navigate and thus I feel like I don't even really know what's going on with the community as a whole
Where did Craptasket and Postal go?
hi
Slab bulkhead is craptasket, though I have no idea what happened to postal
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