The only problem I have with Battlefield V is that they are touting it being Historically Accurate when in reality it isn't.
If you want Female Soldiers in the game, you can still have them and be Accurate.
They'd be Russian Soldiers, the Russians used Females on the Battlefield alongside Men.
what point are you even trying to make
you know, other than coming off as being disingenuous
If the intention was to be historically authentic, I would personally prefer not putting women in the game as front line combat troops, but idk, maybe the overall gameplay experience makes up for it. I wish DICE looked at creating a WW2 game about minorities who actually fought at the front, though. They could've made a single-player campaign about an all-black tank battalion, or the African-American 92nd infantry division, or the mostly Japanese-American 442nd infantry regiment. There are so many units with groups of people in them who were oppressed, but fought anyway. Imagine what cool stories could've been told. It's a shame that DICE apparently does not see the potential here. I think it would only be fair that these men, who had to face terrible discrimination or even their families being locked up in internment camps in the case of the Japanese-Americans, receive recognition.
There are plenty of people (or should I just say men) that have a problem with women in WW2 and BFV. Check the Youtube comments section if you're willing to lose some brain cells.
i've got a feeling that a good chunk of people who have a problem with women in bfv exclusively have a problem with women because it would "piss off the libs"
retardation is always a given constant variable when it comes to youtube comments so that's not really surprising in the slightest
But yeah, there's definitely an influx of alt right neanderthals who've latched onto Battlefield-related stuff ever since the reveal. It got so bad that the moderators of the main Battlefield series subreddit had to flat out put a stop to all posts regarding the gender/history ordeal.
If it's alternate history then they should say so because alternate history stuff is cool. But don't start telling me that being able to play as a black, female nazi is somehow historically accurate.
I think their marketing may have messed up in this area. I recall them saying it's WW2 reimagined in their ways on the BFV site right after the trailer debuted. But I also recall the maintaining authenticity lines. Maybe they're referring to SP and MP?
I think their SP components are going to be historical accurate.
By that logic, isn't it already disrespectful by existing as a video game? It's entertainment.
Do you have a problem with hisyorical fiction in general?
IDK if this has been posted or not but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNo9XlKlTKc
brb gonna make a holocaust based anime about anime girls and their wacky adventures in auschwitz
you've got no problem with that, right?
I still don't understand why everyone is getting hung up on the female soldier with the prosthesis if her whole surrounding is a cartoony and unhistoric clusterfuck.
No, not really. I think the concept is stupid as fuck but historical fiction is just that, fiction. It owes nothing to be accurate.
That's the biggest issue for me. Nazis were incredibly misogynistic. Contrary to every other major power, they were even reluctant to employ women in their factories because, according to them, they belonged at the house. Even during the last days, women who were conscripted as soldiers for lack of other options were never given weapons or allowed to pull a trigger, and catered mostly to support roles.
This is just Nazi whitewashing, frankly.
I'm sorry that you think it's disrespectful that in multiplayer players can choose their gender. I don't. I can accept arguments like "women didn't serve as frontline soldiers in the wehrmacht", but not the disrespectful part.
I don't really mind the addition of women or cosmetics in the game. What bothers me is the attitude of the developers trying to defend it. They even said :
"I fundamentally feel to my core this is the right way and I will find myself on the right side of history.
Which is just scarily delusional
A larger playerbase only seems like a good thing to me
it's not going to be the only inaccurate thing in the game so why do you specifically have a problem with this?
Battlefield has never been massively historically accurate anyway, the most they tend to aim for is battles occurring where they did, with the armies involved and the general level of technology being accurate. Sometimes with Easter eggs to hint at real world events and the like. And besides that only a handful of games in the series are based on historical events even loosely.
It's an actio-ny arcade-y, quasi-realistic shooter with organisational strategy outside of that. Gameplay and fun have always been prioritised over complete accuracy because it's a damn video game not an totally accurate historical battle simulator. Background details and events in the MP maps might try and strive for accuracy, DICE may attempt to keep things like fatigues and ethnicities of the armies accurate, but it's still a piece of fiction in the end that deviates from reality by the fact that the battles themselves are nothing like the real thing.
I honestly have no idea why the fuck people get mad at women being an option in these games, if it breaks your immersion then holy shit I have no idea how low your requirements for historical immersion are that an arcade-y shooter triggered it in the first place.
Funny how everyone becomes a fuckin history buff whenever a woman is added to a history-based game lmao
The original battlefield, cod, and medal of honor games don't even remotely fit imo "respectful" as they hardly even try to seek out an exploration of the psychological ramifications of war. At best you get throwaway lines and cutscenes about how much their sacrifice means.
Like for ww2 the only one I can think of that even really tries is red orchestra with the character chatter.
The main goal of this game isn't to be a momento for the war. Do you also have a problem with all the other alternative WW2 history games like Wolfenstein?
Like, you may laugh about the idea that the developer just wants to let his daughter feel included in his game, but I can respect their decision. You also don't have to be historically accurate at every part of the game. Where would you even draw the line? The answer is: that's what you decide as the developer and designer. As a customer, you can simply not buy it if you don't like it, but I bet Battlefield 5 will still sell pretty well.
Because there's no reason to at least be historically accurate/authentic in the aesthetic side that doesn't affect gameplay whatsoever just like how BF1 did?
I will admit myself that I will be one of the people who will play as a female soldier out of escapist preference, but I can genuinely understand that people who derive enjoyment from historical accuracy/authenticity like how I did from BF1 can feel sour about the whole thing. There's no reason why they shouldn't at least make these people happy by providing such an option/change.
I actually misread one of their posts, they said to Forget what you've learned in History class.
I kinda took it as saying "this is the way it was".
My bad.
I guess I can understand what you're saying but I still don't think its that big of a deal, maybe if this was the first time they'd done a World War game but it's not so, why such a big deal when they go a different direction, appealing to the fans that like customization or just people who want to see a different take. Not only is there multiple games outside of the Battlefield series that have done WW2 more accurately, but even in the series there has been historically accurate WW2 games and kept the 'realism' and over the top gameplay that BF is known for.
I'll be honest, a lot of the arguments in the thread are fair and justified arguments but all I can really say is that the game clearly isn't for you unless you can look past the customizations and the 'offensive' take on a historical event. As for my 'whimsical setting' of WW2; I dunno why you'd assume I don't value the actual historical event that happened. Also, why do video games have to be the arbiter of factual, historically accurate media, considering there is not only, the real historical documentation, movies of based on real events/documentaries and even biography's of people who lived and died through the war.
Video games are in a position that can provide multiple forms of entertainment that no other form of media can, not only can the gameplay its self be a sole provider of entertainment, the story too, can add to the fun (or seemingly detract for some people), fiction or nonfiction.
It's just strange that its this that gets gamers pissed off, when there has been 7 decades since the end of the war, countless forms of media and countless adaptations and stories ranging to literally Nazi Zombies in and out of video games, god forbid a triple A studio go for a different take on the story with a female character who has a prosthetic limb because we all know that Zombies are more realistic and closer the reality.
But what am I thinking, too much anime and not video games.
I guess there's a difference between a setting and a style, and for things like this I usually will just take it as "we have the style of WW2" instead of setting. If a game wants to be historically accurate, that's cool. If a game wants to take the aesthetic of WW2 but have a bunch of different crazy stuff, thats cool too. I don't think anyone really believes the developers are trying to say "this is what WW2 was really like"
Personally I think what BFV is trying to achieve (Besides selling you cosmetics) is the fact that you're not playing generic run of the mill soldiers like BF1 or any previous battlefield game you're playing as the exception where you're some cool badass that you not normally see, because that's probably what everyone will look like when you add cosmetics to a Battle field game.
You can find a case of a female fighter in every single army at some point or another but the only line that I will draw is black Nazis, but I don't know if those are actually in the game or not, I didn't see any in the closed alpha.
The rationale for 'black nazis' is probably going to be the same for what it was in COD WWII, where they just remove the core Nazi imagery and roll the faction into a generic 'german army' descriptor.
Reason being, obviously, that if I make a character I like or that looks like me - the last thing I'd want in 2018 is for the game to dress them up in swatstikas
And French, Polish, Yugoslavian, Volkssturm, and OSS.
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