Almost no WW2 online shooter has swastikas for the German army. Be it COD, BF, MOH or even god damn wolfenstein.
The reasoning being what you just said. Nazi symbols have never been fine in MP. Yet somehow COD WWII got shit for it. Everything has to be political now, no one moaned BF Heroes was "disrespectful".
Battlefield just isn't the type of series for immersion. You got this full HUD with infinite sprint and just this cacophony of gunfire and explosion pornography.
The game is so fast paced and you're more focused on streaking your kills than what the characters look like.
Well, it's also because they are banned in Germany.
They should have just called it bad company 3 and nobody would have given a shit.
Personally my biggest problem is the devs' shitty attitude about it. Being intentionally provocative to their own audience and doing a complete 180 on how they're presenting the game compared to how they did the last one.
If you went out of your way to show how authentic you are in one game don't act like a cunt when your next game is revealed with an article titled "Forget what you learned in history class" and the people you had previously been appealing to reject the new direction.
For the people saying they wouldn't mind women soldiers in a historical context, it's worth noting that one of the war stories is about a female fighter for the Norwegian resistance.
Somewhat related: The soldier with the prosthetic arm in the trailer isn't meant to have narrative importance. I think she is there to show the level of customization they may be aiming for. I say this because one of the most upvoted comments for the video seems exasperated that a female amputee would be the "hero" of a WW2 shooter when that really isn't the case at all so I think the video may be misleading people, even if accidentally.
it just looks dumb, plain and simple. its like playing a african zulu game and then all of the sudden you see a white guy in the ranks. it just takes you out of the experience
yeah they had female spies and resistance fighters, but not soldiers in the british army. and no, this isn't about "muh womyn in video games." rainbow six siege and for honor have female warriors in them, yet it makes sense in their universes; one takes place in modern times with more females in combat roles, and the other takes place in an alternate universe with its own countries and customs, only very loosely based on real world factions.
EA cannot have historical accuracy and jarring skins at the same time. This half measure devalues the art style and brings rise to the complaints currently on this thread. I'd rather have a battlefield that doesn't try than one that half tries.
My feelings on the matter have been perfectly described by Perry Bible Fellowship years prior
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There was also an Indian unit in the Wehrmacht which was eventualy transferred to the Waffen SS when the Allies were invading France. They didn't do much fighting but they were there.
Or people just dislike the idea that it's gonna become a cartoony "pay 200 battlefield bucks to unlock this hat for customization" I mean truely like it's been beat to death in this thread through many people. I personally don't have an issue with women being in the game. I personally don't have an issue with battlefield V being somewhat historically inaccurate. What I am concerned about (and probably many others are concerned about) is how DICE is gonna handle making money without doing season passes or DLC. It's entirely okay with hating the direction a developer is taking a game. It's entirely okay to disagree with the implementation of certain things. None of that should make you a "fuckin history buff" or a "smelly video game bro that hates women!!!!" I don't see why it's a big issue to not agree with the artstyle presented. I don't see why we have to jump on anyone that doesn't have the same thoughts about a shooter as you do? Are there people that dislike the women being added? Sure. But classifying anyone who has any skepticism for the game as sexism isn't really productive? It really isn't thrown at you it's more a general question.
this is a reason i can understand, unfortunately without lootboxes ea is going to find a way to monetize their games with the least amount of people complaining about how they're going about it.
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The main point is that if you throw the buzzword "immersive" around as a selling point, then the game better be fucking "immersive"'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_HWNPtN4_4
I think the best way to tell that a ton of the people that supposedly ~just want an immersive and realistic experience~ and are just conveniently being massive dickbags about so suddenly are simply using that as an excuse is that a tremendous number of them probably have never heard of games like Red Orchestra, Arma, Rising Storm, Squad, Post Scriptum etc. Considering they never seem to come up in these discussions.
I'm guessing if you put one of these people in those games they won't last a single round without accidentally killing their entire team and yearning for all sorts of convenience features mainstream games have and come crawling back. They don't want that, which is fine, but don't use your supposed want as a weapon against people when it's a lie just to bludgeon things you don't like.
Also:
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Oh no, a woman on my game cover! 18 years ago, in a significantly more historically accurate series. People care now? Who are the snowflakes again? Just because Battlefield is a few notches above CoD in the mainstream game scale in terms of realism doesn't mean it's still not a massively arcadey mainstream shooter, good lord.
Cosmetics.
I think players should be able to make their avatar whatever race or sex they want in multiplayer. It's not a simulation game, it's a main stream annual casual shooter.
The main issue is a from a game design standpoint - jumbled cosmetics break up the identification of classes/teams - something that's extremely important for class based shooters.
The only place I can legitimately see people getting annoyed is a campaign, where immersion is a bit more important.
Yeah, this is me. I don't care about the historical immersion in a sandbox MP, but I'd like the campaign to be at least somewhat accurate.
How many times do i have to point out that the fans were excited for the more historical and lesser known war shit being put into BF1 put into BFV. Flipping that on its head to push a cosmetics system is shit and money grubbing and most people see it as such. Then just straight up saying they are on the right side of history by putting females in to a predominately male war is just blind representation. Its lazy, and its a quick way to score karma points while trying to justify the cosmetics system. Women were in BF1 and no one cared because where they were represented was where they were actually at. Same with the Harlem hellfighters, Sikhs, and Maori. People liked or did not cared about them being where they are at because it made sense why they are there. Hence people asked the devs why the swap (which were greeted with "you're misogynistic"), and said why not have factions that historically had women in them. Majority of fans don't care the women aspect, they care about keeping the accuracy they had with BF1 into V.
Also comparing BF to RO/Arma/RS is idiotic as hell since its totally different genres. You can have an historically backed game without it being a sim.
I don't care if they put aliens in BF V. WWII is a boring ass setting for a video game, and it's been done to death. Modern war is the sweet spot.
Man, I wonder if you felt this much triggered about Command & Conquer as well.
WW2 hasn't had a proper battlefield game literally since 1942 came out (1943 doesn't count it was a cheap little arcade game that was pretty light on content). Modern war has had god knows how many in comparison.
We had the Medal of Honor games, Brothers in Arms, Call of Duty, and dozens more. They ran it into the ground. I enjoyed it at the time, but I'm still burnt out on it.
Yeah but that was back in the mid noughties, it's been over a decade since that fad died. I think theres plenty of room for new WW2 games after the break we had from them. Gameplay wise BFV honestly looks pretty good, I just wish they'd made it more authentic rather than throwing in a load of silly shit just so they can sell microtransactions.
In the BF3 beta, the assault class was white, but they made him black in the final release.
https://youtu.be/Kjv3lL4VqRM
There are definitely people out there who considered the british indian medic and german black scout to be way too much already. Or how the austro hungarians don't speak with an accent.
That being said, I do agree that whoever decided to PR BFV's inclusivity is a dumbass. Mmm, nothing like hiding agendas and antagonizing fans with valid criticism. Also kinda talking around issues and avoiding answers to questions. Hopefully they recognize their mistakes eventually.
Where did I even talk about customisation? You're arguing against a point I never even made. I'm clearly talking about women in BF5 and to rope in the whole DLC microtransaction shit is just pure misdirection.
Clearly misdirection when the public voiced their worry way before women were even shown via the leak before E3.
Yeah there's certainly reason to worry and not all criticism should be ignored, but you're like one of few people in this thread who have actually framed your argument as concern over microtransactions. You may not be "fuckin history buff" or "smelly video game bro that hates women!!!" but there seems to be a disturbingly large amount of people who are. If the issue was microtransactions for everyone then that'd be what was being mentioned by everyone, not inclusion of females. Don't forget this is a thread for a video specifically about how feminism is ruining BFV so pretending it's not an issue isn't really productive either.
There's quite a lot of unexplored campaign grounds imo.
It's called WORLD WAR 2 for a reason. I'd love to see stuff from Asia (non-pacific) and Africa. And hell, you could also retread old ground from a different perspective. A European campaign from the German perspective could be pretty incredible and be emotionally powerful.
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