Why don’t you say what scene it actually was because none of what you are saying is ringing a bell, I’ve seen TLJ like 5 times.
Because they're talking about TFA, not TLJ. "The speech" is referring to all the thinly-veiled nazi rhetoric Hux spewed before the First Order fired Starkiller base.
https://youtu.be/sr3L7yI5lzQ
this is what i get for facepunching and watching a movie at the same time.
I'll fistfight anyone over the state of Battlefield 5. but how the fuck can you find issue with Uncharted: Lost Legacy or how ND shows off Last of Us 2. We knew this about ellie since LoS 1, goddamn people!
Didn't naughty dog make the uncharted series? I mean forgive me if im wrong but that was a series of male leads akin to Indiana Jones which is the epitome of a strong male character. hey they might have an agenda but whatever man don't play the games then.
He says he's not against gay or female characters but repeatedly points at Naughty Dog's gay female characters as if they're an issue
I don't appreciate the hostility the devs are expressing, I agree on that, but what criticism does he have of the games and writing themselves other than "I don't like it"?
I skip the cutscene usually if it's about the man and the woman hooking up; I could honestly care less about that shit in my video games because it's a real life emotion you can go outside and experience 100x fold moreover. When they start getting all gushy in the cutscenes I just start rolling my eyes; this game included. I definitely don't think it's about disliking gay people; it's just about them having a focus on some weird shit. Do you really need a girlfriend to be "fighting for" in a world filled with zombies and raiders
When they made that trailer; the most important part of it in their eyes was HANDS DOWN the dancing part. Just feels forced. When I see these characters it's like there's zero life in them because they were so specifically hand picked - down to the facial features.
Imagine feeling this personally attacked because a video game doesn't pander exclusively to you
I only hope you can still play as Joel. It's not much to ask.
Because they aren't. The agenda isn't to disrupt the fabric or morality and send the world into sexual hell of forever and death, the agenda is to pander for dollars, particularly easy to get drive by easy post marketing dollars.
Yes, but when has it ever not been pandering for dollars? Was it somehow not transparent as hell when it involved catering to straight white dudes?
I'm just surprised (disappointed? frustrated?) that people are only noticing the veneer of marketability when it's not targeted towards them. Like, the shallow drive for profits just so happens to become an issue when it's targeting other markets? It comes across as a severe lack of self awareness, and a spotlight towards a blind spot in many people's implicit biases.
I work in the industry, I've noticed for quite a while, as in since marketing started making command decisions.
The difference here is the holier than thou virtue signaling by a hypocritical dev that had absolutely no issues stereotyping entire countries and cultures and then mysteriously and suddenly found rainbow jesus and the junior high fanfic bullet point that a person of marginalized values or cultural drift is implicitly and automatically a virtuous person by that possessing that quality before the fact.
Last time I checked Harvey Milk and Jeffery Dahmer were both gay, and could not be further from each other in every other aspect. For all of Naughty Dog's talk of their fanbase needing to grow up, they need to take a nice wandering gaze in the mirror themselves, because this is the kind of framing we left behind in the 90s.
To quote Druckman,
It's 2018.
Show, Don't Tell.
To add onto it, I worry more about the typical soulless machine of the industry doing this because we've seen that - if things start to go bad for them - they use the groups they [i]know[/i] are having troubles in the public eye as it is as both a shield and club.
Remember when Mass Effect 3's first response to everyone having issues with it was to imply that everyone was [i]actually[/i] angry at the gay relationship options? Or how that Ghostbusters reboot "Sticking it to the misogynists" was both their prime marketing tool and excuse for tanking after the fact? That stuff is the slimiest shit I've seen these industries do in a while, because they're stirring up a reflexive negative reaction in communities which did not have it before to the groups they are supposedly "Championing" for cheap short-term gain.
As boring as Plain White Man is, I have never seen a media blitz to shame people who do not like the product with Plain White Man into caving to prove that he's not against white men. And that's the distinction which makes these confrontational and divisive "You have to like our product because it has ___" hard sells so much worse than the norm to me. I want more variety of course - [i]God[/i] do I - but I also don't want the goddamn scorched earth policy I've seen these assholes seem to want to get trending where they sour the perception of people who are already not that well off for their audience. Like they were a gimmick to exploit and then discard, akin to 3D movies or Kinect. It isn't so much a problem with representation as a fear of what could result from [i]how[/i] they're handling it.
I'm actually so happy I'm not woke enough to get offended by video games.
I thought it was like a economic agenda and what games they were gonna plan on coming out with.
I guess even then I got my hopes too high.
Pushing an agenda =/= bad story telling.
'pushing an agenda' is 99% of the time just "themes that make me uncomfortable"
I dont even know why people are upset about Chloe, she was literally just drake's side bitch till they actually gave her some character/story.
Where did you get that from I didn't offer any opinion on the subject of the video, and the video didn't once say that was the case. In fact the video is a bout Naught Dog pushing an agenda outside of their games, not inside them.
I sat through the entire video, unfortunately for me. I have a few things to point out about it.
He compares the trait of being a lesbian/gay/bisexual with being Dutch, but I don't think that's a reasonable comparison. People from any country can be gay, whereas being Dutch does narrow down the appeal somewhat. Still, we see games like Vampyr set in London, so it's not as if a character having less common traits has stopped game developers before?
He says that there's an overemphasis on females in ND's games, but that's only true if you're talking about the proportion of male-female characters being slanted towards male most of the time from other game developers. Honestly, this is proof of nothing and it could simply just mean that they like writing less generic stories?
He says that people are already abandoning ND because of this gameplay trailer and stuff, citing some of his audience saying so in the comments section. I'm sorry, but this sounds super anecdotal, and his channel appears to be the sort of place where people sensitive to this sort of thing would congregate already.
He says the majority of gamers are men, implying that they should just write male characters to appeal to the fanbase. He's right that the majority of gamers are men, but it's probable that at least part of the reason for that is that there aren't all that many female protagonist-lead games. I accept that even with parity in male/female leads, males would likely still dominate the sector, but I've never had an issue playing as either male or female characters, myself.
He says that the bad interviewer was only selected to host that Q&A panel at E3 because she's a lesbian blogger. Honestly, I don't have any comment on this as I didn't see that presentation, but there were lots of really awkward people at E3, so I'm not sure what concrete conclusions one could draw from this.
He brings up Anita Sarkeesian, which seemed really out of place and felt forced and as if it was pushing an agenda itself, tbh. I don't like Anita Sarkeesian at all, but the less oxygen we give her by talking about her, the better.
Developers retweeting fan art of their characters is simple marketing strategy - I don't see what his problem with this is? He also mentions how a lot of ND's female protagonists are a generic female strong type, and he's right to a certain degree, but a lot of male protagonists fit this mould too.
To be honest, I would argue that the main reason the kiss was shown in that trailer is because it shows off some extremely impressive animation technology. People are way too paranoid at this point. TLOU was a narrative heavy, emotional game, so it makes perfect sense for an intimate scene to be used in the gameplay trailer anyway.
It's fucking wild seeing people defend Naughty Dog just for having lesbians in their new game after the way they responded to those sexual harassment allegations not even a year ago.
Never said that lesbians in their games are causing sexual harassment at naughty dog, or vice versa. I'm just incredibly disappointed that people, games media especially, would rather hand wave that away and support Naughty Dog putting out their brand new video game.
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