Forum Discussion - v. Please Don't Call Hezzy A Cunt - General

Ngl, I'm pretty sure most political boards end up being shark tanks anyways, no matter how well you try to moderate it. Everyone is going to have their opinions, no matter how strong, zealous or proud they are of them. There will always be people sensitive to the counterpoints and criticisms to their opinions. So really by having a political board, it becomes a match of king of the hill to see who's right in a game of who can prove the other more wrong. I would assume it's nice to have the PD board tho, as it acts like an exclusion zone for the true toxicity of the forum, but it won't be completely fool proof, obviously. Really it's a bit of good and a bit of bad, I've seen some forums just completely cordon off drama to its own section and let the mods take a break while the users duke it out there while the rest of the users can enjoy themselves mostly drama-free.

Of any of the sections I've found Polidicks to be the least affected. I kind of agree regarding the Discord though. There very much does seem to be an outgroup there. I disagree honestly, I've seen far more people recognize Grenadiac's nuanced approach to things than people bashing him for being "just another right-winger". I think he is just the exception rather than the rule; nearly every other conservative either supports or is ambivalent towards Trump. That's just the nature of the beast. Not everything you post is going to be well received. If I see several people responding to someone then I usually just move on since I see no reason repeating myself. Not every thread needs my take on things, especially when people are doing a better job of making my argument. For what it's worth, none of your recent polidicks posts seemed to have riled anyone up. The point of debate is to win the audience It's why I'll argue with people like Boilrig or Jordax who occupy that grey area between troll and right-wing provocateur. I'm obviously never going to convince them they are wrong but challenging their falsehoods in the public square might convince other people to at least see why their arguments aren't very good. The largest post he has made in the past two weeks was two and a half paragraphs long. His recent activity is roughly equal to yours. If you disagree with his arguments then feel free to reply. Call him out when he baselessly attacks other posters. Chatting shit in Forum Discussion doesn't help anyone.

I used to do that but anymore I just find it too exhausting for something that has no visible results. The point of debate is to win the audience As for this bit, I don't necessarily disagree. It's just not necessarily what I'm here for either. I'm here to talk with people and discuss things and not necessarily convince people to change their views. I can very easily have a productive discussion with Grenadiac, ilikecorn, yourself, or even joeyskylynx even if the discussion doesn't serve to convince anyone to change their views. It can still be insightful and enjoyable nonetheless. With people like Boilrig or Sgman (though admittedly there are occasions he makes decent posts still, they're just usually drowned out in the same thread by the shitty ones) though that's just not possible and tends to just infuriate me instead because they're so overly incapable of effective discussion.

Did you see BFG's opening post. I can't possibly fathom going through that thread and deciding that the people replying to him are unilaterally seeking to belittle and pillory. Is it literally just because it's one person replying to many? I don't get it. I agree with the "Don't argue with x" posts. They are typically 100% correct, but time and space doesn't need to be wasted pointing it out. If you aren't interested in responding to an argument then just move on, or rate people you agree with. The vitriol aimed at capital R Republicans is pretty well earned and, again, I feel like you would be better served explaining why those posts are wrong than just whining about them. Completely disagree with the "no Trump dump" week. That is an absurdly long amount of time in terms of world politics to just not have discussions or news postings about the President of the United States. Just stop browsing Polidicks if it bugs you so much. The forums were split with the intention of reducing the amount of Trump news in SH. A) Because he posts really disagreeable things and instead of someone like Tudd who just has his arguments countered and then dips to post a thread about how silly transgender people are he takes the time to respond to pretty much every post aimed at him. B) That's hyperbole ,but even still it's discussion. Like I said before, if I see that happening I just don't reply and throw agrees at people who are making my arguments for me. No offense but it just seems like you really don't want to read Polidicks so have you tried just not?

Maybe I just interpret these posts wrong, but I'm reading them as largely targeting Republican voters (as well) at least. A) That was just a statement of fact - it's one of the two ways these threads usually go. B) A little hyperbole maybe, but that's how I see it basically. Yeah well mate I'm sitting here explaining why I don't really anymore. I have 21000 posts, half (or more) of them are probably in SH and later Polidicks. You can say that nothing's changed, but I'm here telling you that that section has gotten a lot less interesting - at least for me. It's hard to pinpoint why, but I tried to give what I see as the reasons for it. I don't really know how you read my post as saying that to be honest. Personally I think PD has just gotten more partisan - either you have fever-pitched liberal leaning posts or you go into Boilrig territory. It makes me post less (and I used to post a lot), and I'm sure there are at least a couple of others who feel the same. I'm not a right-leaning person by any stretch of the imagination, by the by, and I don't care about users getting dogpiled for shitty opinions.

There should be a negative coin rating. When a post is so bad that you can take away a coin from a user. However, it costs you 5 coins to rate someone -1 coin

But then garry could create the Great Facepunch Coin Depression with his massive stockpile of coins

The real venom is saved for officials but, yes, you do see posts venting their frustrations on voters, and it's not hard to see why. I think it's obvious that the Trump presidency has had an unbalancing affect on the fabric of Polidicks discussion. It's okay if you think it's less interesting. I just really disagree with making it a rule that you can't post Trump stories one week out of a month because you personally don't find it interesting. I'm not interested in 90% of the boards on FP, so I just don't click them. That was more a general statement than something aimed at you. I probably should have quoted Cigarettes before making the point. It's just a bit annoying that a rightwinger can come into a thread, call everyone a retard, then get defended from a dogpile when people like proboardslol deal with that shit in every thread about progressive politics, or BDA deals with that shit when he isn't even participating in the thread. There are very few people who I would consider SH/Polidicks regulars who have never, ever ceded an argument or a point. sgman is just one of them.

Grendiac seems to be doing fine having conversations about issues, and he's a right wing poster I have nothing but respect for. FP certainly changed. But so did you. You changed a lot and you haven't realized it.

Why does people being mad about reasonable things make you think they're insane?

Just because some people aren't blinded by a cult of personality doesn't mean they're insane. Choose your adjectives better please?

It's a polarizing topic. Sadly not in a way that's not just "ketchup or mustard?" Its quite literally a good versus evil issue with people legitimately defending the evil side.

IIRC, BDA has health issues which will be made much worse with Trump's assault on health care. Trump is going to directly possibly ruin his entire life, all because BDA had the audacity to not be rich. BDA has to live in fucking fear of this man, I feel nothing but sympathy for him and I don't blame him for the way he feels.

Some people seem to forget politics actually affects things and leads to people being reasonably pissed off.

You can't go routinely making an ass of yourself and then whine about how other people have changed and how other people are being meanies. ESPECIALLY not with your way of posting, it's probably for the better that you've gone to lurking.

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Just set this 1x1 transparent pixel as your avatar: https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/490/6a8bad97-0b78-4460-934a-6c7ef28d4c94/blank.png I mean, if you can fucking find it, that is

Counterpoint to people saying that FP hasn't changed. Go look at the Chick-Fil-A thread in SH

[Opinion, The New Yorker] Former CIA Operative's Theory of Trump.. Why was this thead closed yet the Politiscales thread gets to stay open? I'm pretty sure the rules of opinion pieces were removed, and this one is even clearly declared as an opinion piece.

Personally as long as it's clearly labeled an opinion piece and isn't conspiracy theory tier garbage it feels like it should be allowed under these new rules.

if anything else, and opinion isn't really news Not to say they shouldn't be discussed, but if you were to use a different forum for it outside of news ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

whole damn site leans so far to the left i thought maybe it'd had a stroke

To me it feels like it shifted back right a bit after BDA was demodded and the rules were removed. Make of that what you will.

https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/185499/ec227a31-d2b8-4ee7-a6a3-ce80ff646e31/3546666.JPG facepunch has started predicting when i will be browsing the forums and i feel quite attacked

Going to the last page of a locked thread just brings me to the first page. Does it do this for anyone else?

The rule was not removed. As per the sticky opinion pieces are still not allowed and as of now the sticky still remains in effect, you just won't be banned for it.

I think discussion threads in Polidicks are a good thing.

why is this guy seemingly littered with ghost diamonds? https://i.imgur.com/piSSh9m.png https://i.imgur.com/l5LnF1R.png

Haha who even is that guy imagine doing that how much of a moron would you have to be lmao

One person made a shitpost then instead of people dumbing and moving on people kept replying to it and driving the thread further and further off topic. hardly a sign of change. e. Because the politiscales thread is just kind of a discussion. Obviously it has opinions in it but it's not the same as posting an opinion piece. I've read a lot of fantastic editorials and analysis from both sides of the political fence but I tend to disagree with this. I feel like allowing opinion posts would lead to a lot of confusion and threaten to push out real news.