Forum Discussion - v. Please Don't Call Hezzy A Cunt
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That's an oxymoron.
The other stuff I mentioned is more serious than calling someone an idiot. So this means I'm not really sure whats the deal with the rules then.
You're missing the point about fixing those dumpster fire sections, and correcting issues with the community.
The fact that every time someone mentions how much of a dumpster fire SH and PD you’ve actually gone full circle.
Not saying it’s unfixable that would be very miss negative but it’s too hard to fix what makes SH/PD
I could link to examples of what I was talking about, but I think it's a bad idea. While it would prove my point, it would probably also "start some shit".
It actually happens reasonably often. It just goes unnoticed because when it does happen people like you don't get up in arms about it. Regardless of what people like you say about dogpiling and complaining about echo chambers and other such inane bullshit, it's provably untrue. Facepunch leans left but there are actually quite a lot of conservative posters and quite a fair amount of those don't cause any controversy and largely don't get dogpiled because they're not being idiots when it comes to posting their opinions.
It does still happen on occasion but that's imply a numbers game. Something like gun rights tends to be very controversial so if conservatives are, say, 10-15% of the site's populace and you usually get like 10 people in a given thread but controversial threads blow up to 3-4x as many people posting you go from 1-2 conservative posters and 8-9 liberal posters to something like 3-8ish conservatives against 24-36ish liberals. And the more people take part in a thread, the more likely someone is to reply to a given post. Controversial posts are going to get more replies and when there's that many more people on the opposing side then a dogpile is largely unavoidable. (Though this is all oversimplifying the situation. There's a fair few liberals such as myself who generally side with conservatives in gun rights threads, for example.)
And it's clearly not an echo chamber since the site is not censoring unpopular opinions. Definition of an echo chamber:
echo chamber
An insular communication space that is of no interest to outsiders or refuses their input.
Facepunch is by definition not insular since we have plenty of conservatives. There's plenty of discussion going on in most threads regarding alternative views on a given topic. r/The_Donald, on the other hand, is an example of an actual echo chamber. They actively censor any views or opinions that remotely negative of what they support even if includes people who are otherwise supporters of their views.
When Facepunch has a history of such moderation decisions as "ignore the troll who we all know is trolling" and "mod the troll as an April Fool's joke" when it comes to avoiding echo chambers to begin with it's kinda difficult to take those complaints very seriously.
There are a number of conservative posters who post fairly regularly though and don't cause controversy anyways. Grenadiac, Albert Wesker, Kartoffel, ilikecorn, Joey Skylynx most of the time. There's also plenty of posters who are unafraid of going against the popular opinions on a givent opic. Myself hen it comes to gun rights, Shirt. on quite a few topics, Raidyr has done this reasonably often as well, and so on and so forth. The actual issue with the ones who end up causing controversy wherever they go is the way they post. You've got people like Karimatrix who are completely lacking in self awareness and come across as blatant propagandists even when that's not their intention, Sgman who refuses to take peoples' advice about not needing to jump to Trump's defense on every single subject even when he disagrees with Trump which has resulted in him being commonly compared to people like Tudd, then there's the somewhat less controversial posters who sometimes make good posts and sometimes make some really atrocious ones like Cyke Lon Bee.
To put it simply: These sorts of complaints are provably wrong and end up coming across far more as "I have an unpopular opinion and just want people to stop criticizing me!" than an actual valid critique of the site.
Make me mod, I'll ban all idiots and after I'm done banning all idiots I'll ban the last one, myself, no rules against that now.
Thx :^)
But in all seriousness, I think FP is still great in all regards where we discuss actuall matters, not opinions.
H&S, Games, Art
Let's be the change and contribute to those more.
I only go in them for the dumpster fires though
People still get angry about those stuff.
I have seen people on FP get just as angry about Art & Games as they get about politics, maybe even more angry.
Although in some cases these topics can overlap.
I was really hoping cropping the pfp background would also crop the dimensions when you hovered over it but I was sorely mistaken
this sucks, there should either be an option to redo when your background isn't what you'd intended, or it should be a one-time purchase that's added to the 'edit profile' menu. I guess now I gotta grind coins by making posts I don't really have any investment in to fix this.
I got u fam.
absolute legend, I love you
I've been here for a little while now, certainly not as long as some but like this place just doesn't feel like my "home" anymore. Its so white and washed out it looks cold and uninviting. Newpunch is just kind of sad feeling.
That's why you use Awfully Dark theme.
Boom, problem solved.
Or use the Awfully White theme since that one actually looks like Facepunch.
Sure! And while we're at it, I should create my own rating icons (I've got about 256 of them in mind) and I should also be allowed to post each of them as separate posts for people to agree with for every post I deem fit. We should encourage the rest of the community to do the same.
Sarcasm or not I already feel the current amount that are on the forums right now are too many.
If you're presenting an opinion piece as news your going to get shut down, if you're present it as an opinion piece for the sake of discussion you're going to be fine.
The OP should explain why you think the opinion piece is relevant to a political discussion instead of just posting something with no context, including for videos.
@Unclejimmema , I'm sorry I didn't know about that second part, I think that Vox article is relevant because it shows data, trends, and studies that can at least partly explain why US politics are the way they are
after Obama was elected, particularly with far right candidates being elected to high office.
Next time read the sticky, make sure it's clearly noted that its an opinion piece, and offer a solid starter to have a relevant conversation over.
Does my explanation of what the article was count as a starter? Was just the second reply. I didn't think to label it opinion, I was trying to think of a better title overall.
But whatevs people can still see the thread, and I still think it was a informative article.
Crossposting this from another thread in the hopes that @garry will see it
On the opinion thread thing: Can we get the lengths that titles can be for threads to be longer? because sometimes the title of the article is long and you can't fit in "opinion piece" after the title.
or make a thread icon specifically for opinion articles and nothing else, I dunno.
TBH I don’t see the point in allowing opinion pieces if they must be ‘neutral’ by MBFC standards.
Their neutral rating rates it on the political perspective it is written from and doesn’t mean there is anything inherently wrong with the article.
Mainstream ‘neutral’ sites most definitely have a pretty centrist bias which ideologically speaking isn’t neutral at all. You won’t catch these sites writing pieces on proper left or right issues so it just limits discourse. A proper neutral source would talk about things from all over the board.
garry will only see it if there's a thread.
It should be well known that if there's a few hundred new posts in a thread, he will read zero of them.
Options remain:
Make a thread
Bump a thread
Get hezzy to note it down for garry
All of the ratings are squished together on my phone which makes rating pretty much useless on mobile. I pretty much only use three or four at the moment: Agree, Disagree, Funny, and Dumb. On rare occasions I will give people coins, but they seem like a waste since a lot of the people I'd give coins to already have giant avatars or don't want them.
There's an image somewhere where I hit the reply button three times instead of rating informative
It's on the post with these three replies.
Needs something like the github react tools
Did some subforum layout change just happen?
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Forum Discussion - v. Please Don't Call Hezzy A Cunt
