Forum Discussion - v. Please Don't Call Hezzy A Cunt - General

It's from people like Kiwi deleting their accounts.

It's a 7 day change

And we're back. This shit always follows the same pattern: Hezzy makes a new meta discussion thread, swears this time the administration is listening and will try to do better People give the benefit of the doubt, surface-level issues get addressed Larger issues are brought up, Hezzy turns dismissive and hostile People get angry Hezzy locks the thread Hezzy makes a new meta discussion thread, swears this time the administraion is listening and will try to do better

Is this really relevant to the current issue you guys are discussing?

SH/PD might’ve turned to shit without rules (and I support strict rules), but the idea that the blame can simply be placed on a couple of posters is just silly. Half the posts in any thread is about how this or that poster is an idiot and you shouldn’t be arguing with them or whatever. After the whole Tudd escapade it seems to have become acceptable, and maybe I’m wrong but I don’t believe every other poster has suddenly become Tudd 2.0. I know it’s bad form to bring up your own posts as examples, but I had a discussion with a user not long ago, and a misunderstanding just seems to grow into “you must be concern trolling/arguing in bad faith/whatever” so quickly. I’m not gonna say that cyke lon bee is a great poster anytime soon, but maybe it’s time for some introspection as well. Even if you don’t wanna reevaluate your own viewpoint, at least you could go with “never attribute to malice what can equally well be explained by stupidity” - cut people some slack, even if they’re being dumb in your opinion.

If I remember or I have heard correctly: Tudd was only banned because he admitted he was trolling people.

Hey i cant scroll up whitout the page refreshing is anyone else having same issues? If so can i fix it?

Clear your cache

So is there no migration for gold status on old accounts? Even if it's meaningless, I registered so early on the old forums my userid was 356. So I feel like I have nothing now lol.

It worked for me.

What worked for you? Is there a migration process I don't know about? Or do you just use your original email or something? I just rejoined, so I don't know anything, derp.

my old account was a203.xi@gmail.com. I just learned that google chrome deleted my previously saved password information for facepunch (all your saved password information is only for a few years, I guess they expect the websites themselves to provide customer support for their customers instead)

raquiescat in pace your facepunch account

There's a strange number of people who try really hard to own people in threads as well as people who can't simply rate and move on. I think trolls, bait-takers and tryhard zingers should be thrown into the garbage.

If only there was some way we could devise a set of standards required to post. Then, if someone breaks away from those, they would be pushed back into line somehow... But we'd need some kind of a group of people that were tasked with enforcing those standards. I don't even know what you would call either of those things... 🤔

I have to admit that I am a million times more annoyed by people wasting page space to call troublemakers stupid. Ban those people for giving troublemakers to continue.

It all stems from the whole "no rules" method of moderation. Trolls come out in full force, people no longer abide by "report, don't reply" method we had, poor arguments are made with no backing sources, people call out people who do that (this one I think is just), and the cycle continues because there is no correcting force. The quality of posts will go down faster, as it has. (People are getting first post shit posts in now) Threads will get derailed quicker. New threads will stop. The subs will die, and with it the forum will suffer and eventually follow suit. It's just not a sustainable way to run a community like Facepunch. We aren't Reddit with limitless users and infinite sub communities. We can't try to emulate them because we aren't them. If we do want to be like them, we're going to die out as a lesser version of them.

Okay my account started 'migrating' I guess, still a few questions like will my registered date migrate as well? and I'll get gold again eventually, right?

i hope people realize that it's garry you guys need to convince right? hezzy can probably attest for you guys but to be frank it's all on gman, even more so if garry ends up reading this shit he'll probably just piss on it as usual unless it's actual decent feedback idk how its is anymore speculation: it wouldn't surprise me that for a small price to pay, FP forums gets nuked because this won't calm down onto the meaty stuff this sucks right now and as a bigger evil i don't think this is sustainable either, but as someone who's pulled the trigger on bans, the shit we banned back then some of that was petty and probably could have slide until it reached a bigger pile of garbage then we could have gone for longer and for some the way things are going aren't the right way anymore, for some this isn't the greatest showing of that ever i can think of a few posters right now that should be smacked for trolling/garbage tier posting/asshole under the old rules that would have been smacked for trolling, new rules aren't just allowing that, it's basically giving them a safe haven like this fucking idiot https://forum.facepunch.com/f/sh/bthkk/PUBG-creator-under-fire-for-charging-players-a-fee-to-play-on-custom-servers/1/#postcvrbqb post 1 all the way to page 3 no one would bat an eye if this dude got smacked for 7 days for threadshitting/plain dumb hell even a month cause i know this dudes a repeat offender i can imagine that if you make a report on someone, if it gets dismissed you should be able to see the reason WHY it got dismissed(make this a feature and maybe then people will understand the "rules" )

You should but its been known to fail on that step on occasion in the past. I think postal or Hezzy would be able to fix it for you if that does happen though but you should give it like 24 hours or so to be sure its not just delayed.

Hezzy, whether he likes it or not, is the community manager. Thus he is the conduit from the community to garry. Hezzy turning a blind eye to these problems, which I am pretty sure 90% of us can all agree are actually real problems, means he is failing at his job. I'm not saying he should step down immediately, or he is unqualified. But I am saying he is currently failing, and that can be corrected. A lot of pretty experienced members are losing their shit these last few months because we have had new forum software lacking features, bugs going unfixed for weeks, rule changes, rule removal, and no communication on top of all of it. If garry wants to make a forum but not work with feedback from the community, then garry needs to make forum software and leave the community building part of it to someone who is more open and willing. In this case, that should be Hezzy, but I feel like Hezzy is being suffocated by garry on a lot of this. As a result, Hezzy has his hands tied on a lot, and to compound that, doesn't talk about it. So now the community feels ignored. When he does, we get lashed out at in some manner because it's been building up. I liked the strict nature of the previous system we had. Facepunch's moderation was always something that I thought should be adopted by other forums I visited, who suffer from the same issue we are suffering from right now. Warnings and infractions don't work because they don't carry any weight. With that said, yeah, there were a lot of things you could get banned for in Oldpunch that were pretty stupid. But overall, things were orderly because we had a set of standards we knew. I think re-implementing that system, reducing some of the stricter rules like image macros would make the forums a bit more light-hearted while also allowing us to enforce some decent standards. As you pointed out, there are people who are being downright blatant now with their behavior, and nothing is being done about it. As a result, good posters are getting upset and with no moderation to turn to for help, they try to handle it on their own. Is that the best course of action, no. But what do you expect people to do after a certain point? So that snowballs out of control in a few posts of people jumping on a troll, and the thread is derailed and the troll is satisfied and moves on to the next thread. The "Report, don't reply" ban reason was one of the best things mods could do. But also, taking care of the troll that caused the issue should be the priority. Going after the people who jump on him should be secondary. This would be immensely helpful, and again, would really work in favor of the whole idea of more transparency. I'd love to see something like that, even if it is just a couple words like "Not enough bad history" or something short. At least there is the satisfaction of knowing that someone is listening.

i was the big gay girl mod from sheep fucker land that posted a crap ton in cipwkkt

Maybe @garry just needs to hang out in SH/Polidicks. I know he hangs out in programming and leaves the political stuff for Twitter. I think maybe he just needs to get involved with actual discussion in a more heated part of the form and see what works and what doesn't, edit rules from there, and ponder enforcement. This is under the impression that he doesn't already and I could be wrong, but I don't mean any of this negatively. Probably focused on other things

i've seen ban be worded differently, are you sure we're talking about the same thing? in my experience, warnings/infractions also prevent the poster from posting https://chie.club/files/images/st/61b46ccf-8d3f-4f91-ba71-41bd4c250b2d.png this is from a forum running invision

When you phrase it like that, it come right to mind! I agree with that. Garry isn't in Facepunch to build communities, he is there to build games. Let someone else handle the community part. There is no shame in that. I think I had this discussion on another thread with UncleJimmema. He said to report everything, and don't worry about being banned for it because that isn't done anymore. It has been mentioned here I think a couple of times. But obviously, that isn't communicated either clearly or loudly enough. Not to mention, having the report feature hidden in a dropdown on the top right of the post where no one looks is not very helpful. But if people still think they are going to get banned for making a report that isn't actually against the rules, because we have no rules, and they know they aren't going to get banned for pretty much anything they post, then of course they are going to callout people and fight in threads. So, again, communication from the staff is to blame for the lack of reports. Also, I don't know if that "double edge sword you think is so good" was supposed to be a jab at me or if I just put the wrong inflection on the text, but I am in agreement with you here on pretty much everything. Tudd is a hard case to decide on because, while his ideas are wildly different than the majority, they are still valid opinions. Where I would have gotten Tudd is when he would post in threads using his opinions/beliefs then failing to source them, or doubling down on them in the face of valid counter-evidence. At that point, you are just being willfully ignorant, and that is trolling. But yeah, especially in Polidicks and for more moderate posters, what people perceive as trolling and what is actually valid opinion can be an issue for mods. But that can also be solved by having a report history for users, and if I have reported a user 3 times now for "Trolling" in Polidicks threads, and the mods have denied those previous reports with the reason of "Different opinions aren't trolling" then I should be the one who gets the ban, for sure.

ya worded it wrong hence why i said it was a double edge sword but that actually has officially happened where we have mis-interpreted something and we ended up banning the wrong dude LOL, was fixed pretty fast but it goes down in history

When I mentioned warnings/infractions, I was talking about the more simple verbal warnings you get from a mod. On other forums I have been to, those are often like a note on your post that says "You/This user has received an infraction for: Whatever". To me, an infraction like that doesn't do anything. It's just a dramatic way of moderators keeping notes on users. But in your image it looks like a strike system, and each strike is just a ban of increasing severity. I'm not really a fan of that either because some rules have more "weight" than others. I'd rather moderators use their discretion on that and decide if someone should come back after they have been banned twice for doing something really bad, or if they did something stupid 3 or 4 times. Someone who posts an image macro 3 or 4 times vs. someone who told someone "go kill yourself faggot' in different threads should be treated with different severity.

the image i posted was a pre-set, on that forum i can set warning points, restrictions from post, it doesn't need to follow the pre-set, but yeah if you meant verbal warnings i can see how i interpreted that differently

Mistakes happen when people are involved, and mods are people. So long as they are forward and public about their mistakes and what they did to correct it, then I don't see why it should be a stain on anyone. Anyone who holds that against a mod (assuming the mod isn't consistently fucking up) is just being an asshole, and that should be taken care of (by another mod, removed from the issue).

i agree, i don't like this approach either, hence why discretion plays a big huge part in that forum, in this forum, discretion isn't even happening, it's just that we have no rules