Even if there are people who are "just wired to kill" (and I put that in quotation marks because that is an extremely dubious statement) regardless of their circumstances, that's not the kind of person that goes on to be a school shooter. A serial killer, maybe.
The kind of person that shoots up a school doesn't expect to get away with it, they know full well that they are essentially committing suicide. You have to have already given up on living. Someone who has a good life and no reason to be resentful is not going to be a school shooter.
And honestly, the idea that there are people out there who are "just fucked" and are "wired to kill" is a part of the problem. The vast majority of people who commit acts of violence are not different than you. This is a very important concept that people need to wrap their heads around. I know it's scary to think, but there is nothing inherently different about school shooters than you or I. Any school shooting you could pick at random could have been you if you were in the same circumstances.
Another myth that needs to be busted is this idea that all school shooters or shooters in general are born psycopathic or sociopathic. I understand that shooters seem like they are considering they lose all feeling and murder innocent people but they weren't like that before.
Jesus Christ dude!
I would absolutely suggest that if you are being bullied you should fight back with words, or if that does not work, fists, instead of pulling a gun, yes I guess I am, part of growing up as a kid is learning how to defend yourself, becoming an adult is becoming wise enough to never have to use violence. If these fail seek help.
You asked me to put myself in that situation, I'm telling you my story because you asked. Survivor bias? What the fuck? I could have brought a knife I guess? I even said that I'm a strong minded European kid so my story didn't really apply right in the quote.
Again, your use of language here. Jumping the gun and attacking them. Calling the police or social work department should not be considered an attack, if it is then that is it's own separate problem as I stated, albeit related to the problem.
I am simply giving my personal opinion of what I think about people who turn to murder suicide instead of suicide. Once you cross the line and do it, no, no sympathy, my full sympathy is given up until that point before pulling the trigger. School shooters typically target more than just their bullies.
It's a really complex issue man, as I've stated. But if you can't trust the authorities to handle a school bullying situation without ruining the victims life then it absolutely has to be a leading factor in the problem. Kids are cunts all over the world, families can be shit everywhere however school shootings only typically happen in America, especially at this frequency.
It's a gun, personal attitude (primarily on the victims part) and a local authority problem.
This shit your are shoveling is also a part of the problem. You will notice that almost every school shooter is male. This is not a coincidence. This retarded macho bullshit about keeping your chin up, getting some good hits in, and taking licks like a fucking MAN in response to bullying is not teaching young men a healthy way to deal with their anger and resentment and it is not teaching the people around them to have sympathy and take their suffering seriously rather than have disdain for their perceived weakness and blame them for "not being a man and standing up for themselves."
I have a counter argument to this. You aren't entirely wrong but listen.
There was another kid in my class that was bullied, he was fat. He never fought back, he cried often. No judgement on my part.
This was the same kid that one day in craft and design class, got sick of the harassment and picked up a wood saw and started swinging it at the neck of the bully. Luckily no hits landed. This was not an appropriate response and was obviously a case of built up torment being released in what was essentially attempted murder. Had the kids parents given him the confidence to at least throw a punch if tormented by another human being then I'm not sure this would ever have happened, if that punch had landed the bully would have been laid flat by body weight alone.
You are right in dealing with anger correctly, unfortunately bottling it up and expecting sympathy and help from others is not healthy either and all people (men and women) should be taught to defend themselves in an appropriate manner.
Why the hell should someone who is bullied rely on violence to fix the issue in the first place for fuck sake. What if the person cannot defend themselves or get bullied even worse. Then what do the do? They can't turn to the school because they don't give a shit. Hell, in the US that gets the bullied in trouble because of no tolerance rules.
I'm saying you weren't in the shoes of what i was saying. And claiming that using violence fixed your issue doesn't mean it will solve other kids issues. This is what survivor bias is, "I did X and it worked perfectly for me, so everyone else should try it". Its a useless argument and an anecdote that doesn't match the situation at all, especially since you weren't even planning on attacking a school or confronted by the police.
Calling the police on suspected distraught kids reinforces the problem by pushing them even farther away from the herd. The school should be stepping up and helping the bullied while penalizing bullies with more than a slap on the wrist (if they even get that). Police shouldn't even be in the scenario till the very last resort. School shooters just don't appear out of nowhere, there's a chain of events that majority of time could have been resolved by social action before turning to law/punishment.
Did you literally not even listen to your own video? The man pointed out he just wanted to cause the most destruction with the least resistance because he felt he lost everything. The point is to send a message, not revenge. Again, instead of just calling the person a pussy and damning them, learn from their lives why they turned to murder suicide as their logical choice.
Because the schools refuse to interact with the problem or go after bullying. US and UK schools are not comparable at all with how they deal with the issue. Police shouldn't even be part of the equation till the very very last resort.
Oh they should never, it's just a sad reality. We really agree with each other in terms of the school not being able to deal with this correctly, and the fact that calling the police means that a squad busts your door down instead of a social worker coming to see you first. It's a real problem. I am not an advocate of violence, but if words, your friends and the school system fail you, as they did with me, it's the next logical step. No? I'm not even saying that this is part of the problem, you are right in saying that it worked for me, as it does with many others, but not all.
I would like people to at least try using their fists before shooting someone, yes, sorry. I don't care what country you are in or how small you are compared to the other guy. This isn't a problem with an individual but your society as a whole. Guns before non lethal solutions seems to be common as dirt in many situations.
Totally agree.
Yes, again it's a personal mindset problem. I don't need to have sympathy for a person that pulls the trigger, as much as I understand the decision and I have sympathy for the persons situation, it's different from having sympathy for the person. I felt sorry for him in contrast to I feel sorry for him, if you know what I mean.
I'm really not comparing my situation to his or any other school shooter, I wasn't driven to that point, most people aren't. Perhaps a leading factor as to why I never came close to a murderous thought is because I stood up for myself throughout the 3 years and I at least had that. It's not about making people stop bullying you. I never did stop getting bullied in my last year, but I got a level of respect that I wouldn't have otherwise had without standing up to people. People started standing up for me when they realized I would stand up for myself and so on. It won't always be the case of course but you have to understand the changes in confidence just standing up and telling someone to fuck off can be, instead of bowing your head and taking it.
One of my best school memories of a teacher I had was when I was maybe 10. I got pulled off the playground for fighting back against 2 bullies, my teacher pulled me in and started shouting at me, after I told her what had happened, she actually told me that I did the right thing and pulled the other 2 in.
I have so much respect for her it's unreal, she set a precedent that most teachers wouldn't as it's against the school rules as we too have zero tolerance. She used basic reasoning and common sense and applied it. I wish I could go back and thank her, I think it made a big difference to my life.
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